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Delay into DBZF....
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
The viewers will drop eventually. Without expansion or updates, so it will drop slowly for a year or two years.
TheSpoiler
Member
Sales are shit but you'd have to be high in thinking support will end mid next year. ESports and dlc will keep this shit alive. That's how sfv kept trucking along and where the big bucks live (obviously won't pull in as many viewers but it'll definitely be stronger than most other fighting games)
They should have risked it. They play differently enough. I think it's better than being memed on.
DBZF will have better reviews, better marketing, more hype into a more salivating fanbase. They would get overshadowed hard.
That feel when you're Combofiend and you simultaneously fueled your fighting game knowledge into creating one of the best fighting games ever made but also doomed it to financial failure because of a single god-awful PR answer
The feeling when this is the first and last game you will ever work on.
Jawmuncher
Member
Yeah. I don't see support going anywhere until 2019 at the worst. I'm still betting at minimum we get two more character packs.
"one of the best fighting games ever made"
C'mon you guys can't be serious. I bought the game too. I know we're in the honeymoon phase but it's too early to say if it's even better than UMvC3, let alone one of the best fighting games ever made. To elaborate, we don't know of any game breaking glitches or exploits yet (A la DHC glitch), and no real broken characters/mechanics save Dormammu and Reality stone, which themselves are arguable.
If in a year support is gone and we've got Dormammu on every team I doubt I'll look at this game more fondly than UMvC3. Dudes like Chris G are already dropping characters like Morrigan for someone more top tier
C'mon you guys can't be serious. I bought the game too. I know we're in the honeymoon phase but it's too early to say if it's even better than UMvC3, let alone one of the best fighting games ever made. To elaborate, we don't know of any game breaking glitches or exploits yet (A la DHC glitch), and no real broken characters/mechanics save Dormammu and Reality stone, which themselves are arguable.
If in a year support is gone and we've got Dormammu on every team I doubt I'll look at this game more fondly than UMvC3. Dudes like Chris G are already dropping characters like Morrigan for someone more top tier
Again, better to have delayed it into competition and fix up the visuals, and ideally fix up the roster by including Monster Hunter and friends at launch. It would have at least decent legs.
Well at the very least I'm enjoying it much more than I did 3 initially.
Jawmuncher
Member
If we're talking absolute doomsday scenarios.
They'll at least give us 1 more character pass to keep the rosters equal i think.
marketing was shit through and through for sure, but idk about it not selling any better at all if the marketing was still poor but the product met expectations. having positive buzz should at least help with that, until dawn comes to mind as an example of a game that received little marketing but still managed to sell well. incidentally it also had really great word of mouth.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This didn't need a story mode. We got a divisive Saturday morning cartoon that doesn't really mean anything in the end. The mode that was suppose to attract casuals is being used to scare people away from buying it. If their budget was small they should have put all their story mode investment into better visuals, more characters, and arcade endings.
Exaggeration for effect.
MvCI blows MvC3 out of the water in everything that isn't presentation/roster imho.
sixteen-bit
Member
Dahbomba
Too early to tell imo. I edited my post to elaborate. Watch this become a broken snoozefest in a year or two
I am too, but that's because I have 7 years of experience playing 3/U3 now whereas I was a newbie when 3 launched. But I'd be lying if I said I'm having more fun than when I had playing Ultimate at launch week. Perhaps because I'm having a character crisis right now
Possibly. It's just that everything about the game feels like it was made with the idea to spend as little money as possible. They've been super cheap so far, so I would assume the pattern to continue with the dlc.
Stone Ocean
Member
SFV still sold relatively well at the start. If this bombs as hard as it seems like it will, support will be cut off faster than you can say "SFxT".
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Ghostrider and Nemesis are low-key top tier characters. It's already better than 3. Dormammu being top tier was always gonna happen just like Dragunov is always gonna be top tier in a new Tekken.
TheSpoiler
Member
I think 2019 will be their expansion pack point. Or even end of 2018.
Game sales aren't the only form of revenue, else SFV wouldn't be getting shit. DLC, esports partnerships, and general licensing partnerships can make up a huge portion of missed sales. SFV was effectively saved by that esports part, and although it'll be harder for Marvel to capture that same viewership due to its chaotic nature, it'll still be getting a sizeable chunk of the pie. For better or worse, a good section of money making is from outside factors and not necessarily game sales (although, you could say the same for other, more successful games too).
Plus I bet Marvel wants to get in on this esports shit and being a part of a game makes it ezbreezy for them to profit. If anything, this game will get a refresher earlier than it should if Marvel still has its hands in development.
What? No it didn't. That game was supposed to reach 2 million within a few months and still has not done so over a year later. It wasn't tracking nearly as well as most SF or other fighting games.
And the situation is much different. If Capcom can make revenue other ways, then they won't need to rely strictly on game sales. I'm more worried about how the watchablity will translate to casual viewers, because you aren't making shit if your game is illegible.
To be fair, Ghost Rider and Nemesis were thought to be good early on in UMvC3, as well as Iron Fist. Early meta is early meta. Remember when Wesker was considered top tier?
but people been asking for storymode since mvc3......
lucebuce12
Member
Yup. Capcom listened but thought they could cut corners elsewhere (visuals, presentation) to meet budget.
Entirely their fault, people wanted a good story as well as gameplay, presentation, etc.
again, its insanity to think they will leave the roster lopsided. The fact that season 1 has 4 marvel characters and 2 capcom absolutely means there will be at least a season 2.
Also, you guys realise companies know when games are going to bomb right? They have pre order numbers, sales forecasts etc.
Hell WE knew the game would bomb, you think the companies themselves dont?
Whether or not a game is unbalanced isn't the end-all, be-all on how much fun I have playing it. I love how freeform MvCI's combat is. In contrast I always felt like I was too held back when playing MvC3 at any juncture. I had more fun watching it than I did playing it, and returning to it on PS4 just highlighted how little I managed to get out of it. In contrast whenever I play MvCI I just have fun coming up with a bunch of silly shit thanks to the active tagging mechanic and infinity stones.
And if the only real worry is that the game becomes broken in two years well then we definitely don't have anything to worry about when Marvel 3 managed to survive six years.
I expect 200k-300k sold in a year.
Low sales meme going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I already know a couple of people who were wating on a sale but will not buy now assuming that they will only run into FGC pros online, if someone at all.
My worry is that because this game is so freeform, it might become more like Marvel 2, where the characters with the most broken tools providing the most bullshit due to the freedom. The 'rich get richer' theory. If this happens, I would consider this a worse game than Mahvel 3, where besides absolute shit characters like Hsien Ko, every character could win in a team build around them.
Low sales meme going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I already know a couple of people who were wating on a sale but will not buy now assuming that they will only run into FGC pros online, if someone at all.
Oh the 'SFV is the best Street Fighter ever because it's the most fun I've had with any SF' argument. Gotcha. I was thinking on more objective terms. But yeah, I can see how it's more instantly fun. I'm having fun labbing in this game.
Every Marvel game gets broken, but the worry is more whether it becomes a Marvel 2 or Marvel 3 when it does. In Marvel 3 we had 7 different teams and 7 different champions in 7 years, whereas in Marvel 2 J Wong. went undefeated for years and meta became stale with like 12 or so broken characters being picked all the time.
My worry is that because this game is so freeform, it might become more like Marvel 2, where the characters with the most broken tools providing the most bullshit due to the freedom. The 'rich get richer' theory. If this happens, I would consider this a worse game than Mahvel 3, where besides absolute shit characters like Hsien Ko, every character could win in a team build around them.
Stone Ocean
Member
No it doesnt. They aren't gonna make new DLC just for the sake of symmetry lmao
Jawmuncher
Member
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You need a story mode these days if you want to appeal to the masses. I can't think of any successful fighter the last 5 years that doesn't have some form of that. Even SFV had the character stories at it's worst.
The big issue is just budgeting on Capcom's part. They seem to look at stuff like it's a checklist and nothing more. "We have a story mode, We have arcade, We have 30 character's". They see it on paper and go "We're good to go". When the fact of the matter is you need all of that plus the presentation and other things to get people on board. That's the part capcom seems to be missing. You gotta have that quality on all aspects along with the checklist.
If anything the Season 2 DLC is probably already being worked on. Hell it might just be a veteran pack which is far cheaper to produce than all newcomers.
They don't need to make all new rigs and such like they did with SFV.
Instead of generating goodwill story mode just attracted bad press. I mean there are reviews out there that literally only focus on story mode. There's an entire article on Polygon or somewhere shitting on the game solely because of story mode LOL.
Oh Capcpom, why you gotta do this to yourselves.
The garbage-tier story modes ArcSys makes are so low-budget that they're incomparable to the stuff NRS makes, so they don't even warrant a mention. But Capcom actually tries and this is the result lol.
Yeah, MvC2 survived fine as well. I'm a competitive player so I'll enjoy it even if it's just Ultrons all around at the top meta.
But I'm worried since bad sales means less support (which doesn't just mean DLC but also patch support)
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Wesker was top tier for a pretty long time though. I believe active tag is gonna change how we choose characters.
who said anything about new dlc? they have a fuckload of Marvel 3 characters to use. They have all the x-men characters that apparently would have added 1.5million sales to the game to add at little cost.
want me to add a lmao there at the end too? because I can.
Ghost Rider and Nemesis were only thought to be good before the game actually came out. When the game actually came out they were exposed to being ass.
Where as in MVCI they both have out performed their counterparts in 3 already. They are certainly better than their previous versions but they are the type of characters to fall off in tiers/play over time.
Where as in MVCI they both have out performed their counterparts in 3 already. They are certainly better than their previous versions but they are the type of characters to fall off in tiers/play over time.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I agreed with you it is more likely to have a long support by esport crowds and mostly fgc fans. However do you think Marvel and/or Capcom wouldn't bail out when they are losing money or bleeding money when they can't meet its ends with the money from DLC sales?
I thought he tooks a part in SFV SP2?
Some characters for Season 2 should be worked on right now but not 100% done so they can cancel it if they wanted to. However I don't think it's wise to drop season 2 since it's more likely to have X-Men
I'm just saying, early meta is early meta. It's looking good for those two though!
shaowebb
Member
It is really fun. Even at a competitive level though its showing week1 some broken issues though. Both Cap. Marvel and Gamora have moves that have way more advatages than they were supposed to, reality stone is fast showing potential issues in how strong it is because its acting like a combo breaker similar to doom missiles, handcuff glitch has been found, cap float glitch was found, and Dorm is so buffed that even week 1 he has 106 hit combos and nigh permanent lockdown and controls movement so hard folks can barely move without armor or reality stones interrupting him.
Its fun but quality and polish is very absent. Its got issues at all levels.
I celebrated the inclusion of a story for MvC but then the problem with Capcom is I can count the amount of good game stories they have on like, one hand. Maybe it's why "wifearm" never bothered me. Most of their stories are already stupid schlock.
(Which makes Marvel a perfect fit for them lol)
Stone Ocean
Member
Porting over MVC3 characters isn't free. If the game/DLC doesn't sell they aren't gonna add more characters just because.
A season 2 was very likely already in the plans from the start but nothing is 100% guaranteed.
The release date for MVCI was revealed well before DBFZ's time frame for release.
Pretty sure there was no chance of a delay even if DBFZ wasn't a thing.
I really hope they take the right lessons from SFV and MvC:I. Both of those games had plenty of opportunities to be huge successes (within the confines of the genre, that is)...
If SFV had launched with all the necessary single player content (everything we have now plus an arcade mode), had polished up the rough spots (Ken's face), and had launched with the online stability (the utility, and stability, we have now), it would have been praised. Sure, there would be detractors, and it wouldn't be seen as the perfect Street Fighter game, but it wouldn't have received the hate it did at launch.
MvC:I, on the other hand, focused on fixing those problems (except the polish, yuck), but ended up falling short everywhere else. With a better roster, and better graphics, this game would have been huge. The people playing it are loving it. Having the required single player modes from the beginning wasn't going to be enough to sell the rest.
Capcom is well on its way to having SFV built up to a respectable game. They can surely do the same with MvC:I. I hope they do just that. However, they NEED to give these games the proper budget and development cycle so that they can stop having to dig their way out of holes...
I wanted this game to suffer in sales to some extent, but this shit doesn't make me happy at all. I really want to see these games thrive, but I also want to see them done right. Please, Capcom, I still remember who you used to be...
If SFV had launched with all the necessary single player content (everything we have now plus an arcade mode), had polished up the rough spots (Ken's face), and had launched with the online stability (the utility, and stability, we have now), it would have been praised. Sure, there would be detractors, and it wouldn't be seen as the perfect Street Fighter game, but it wouldn't have received the hate it did at launch.
MvC:I, on the other hand, focused on fixing those problems (except the polish, yuck), but ended up falling short everywhere else. With a better roster, and better graphics, this game would have been huge. The people playing it are loving it. Having the required single player modes from the beginning wasn't going to be enough to sell the rest.
Capcom is well on its way to having SFV built up to a respectable game. They can surely do the same with MvC:I. I hope they do just that. However, they NEED to give these games the proper budget and development cycle so that they can stop having to dig their way out of holes...
I wanted this game to suffer in sales to some extent, but this shit doesn't make me happy at all. I really want to see these games thrive, but I also want to see them done right. Please, Capcom, I still remember who you used to be...
TheSpoiler
Member
Of course they'd bail out. But it'd have to be such a significant amount for that to happen. Like, more than just a bad launch, but no legs, horrible esports turnout and deft lack of partnerships to rake in any cash. And that would also mean they'd have to exhaust their options as well.
BumperLips
Member
Even though it's early and alot of tech hasn't been found yet, I still feel like it's not going to go the way of dlc glitch, OTD feel due to active and counter switching. Some stuff is concerning like Dorm's the floor is lava (yes you can jump out, but to have that portion of the screen locked off, especially for so long, is kind of cheap. Also sucks for characters without flight/ways to stay in the air like Nemesis's charge rocket shot.)
I think it'd be fair to change reality stone and Dorm's thorns to disappear on hit.
I think it'd be fair to change reality stone and Dorm's thorns to disappear on hit.
Jawmuncher
Member
I've said before if you combined all the positives of SFV and MVC:I into one game. You'd surely have a decent seller on your hands. It's so odd they fixed things in one and not the other.