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Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| Elektra Boogaloo - March 18th on Netflix

Layell

Member
With Atlas Investigations right across from Nelson & Murdock now surely their paths will cross.

That was Atlas Investments, which was also seen in season 1 (google-fu). Apparently a play on Marvels original name and logo.

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JJ runs Alias Investigations
 

KdylanR92

Member
Yeah.. I hope the Page and Matt thing goes nowhere, that felt really forced and unnecessarily.

Can we call this DareDevil Season 2: The Punisher Season 1.
 

Applebite

Member
Fucking love this show. I think Punisher's scene at the end was supposed to be longer (seemed like they ramped it up with the amount of ninjas but then they just sorta disappeared and he shot like 5 guys?), and it certainly had issues overall but I loved this season. That Punisher prison scene.. So fucking good. Also felt like they did a good job showing that he basically has little to no humanity left.
 

ElTopo

Banned
I appreciated D'Onofrio more this season. My complaint last season wasn't his delivery, it was more that I couldn't buy him as this head of a criminal empire, because he acted like a child 80% of the time. It was as if he was playing pretend, he was doing his best child's impression of a mob boss but was not convincing. I understand the thematic importance of that, especially last season (which was just as much Kingpin's story as it was Matt's), but I had trouble accepting that this straight-up mood-swingin' weirdo was an evil mastermind running New York City. Especially since when the story begins he is already in a position of power. It might be different if we saw him start as nothing and work his way up.

I thought it was pretty blatantly obvious that his posturing and almost "child-like" as you put it behavior was the result of a very traumatic childhood. It's spelled out loud and clear in his origin episode in season 1. I don't know how dense you have to be to not be able to see that.
 

Red

Member
I thought it was pretty blatantly obvious that his posturing and almost "child-like" as you put it behavior was the result of a very traumatic childhood. It's spelled out loud and clear in his origin episode in season 1. I don't know how dense you have to be to not be able to see that.
I don't think you understood my point.
 
I hope they just don't handwave Daredevil being okay with killing in the last episode. It seems like they could be potentially building up towards something with that exchange Dardevil and Punisher shared on the boat but...that can easily turn out to be nothing

And he threw Nobu off the roof.
 
I hope they just don't handwave Daredevil being okay with killing in the last episode. It seems like they could be potentially building up towards something with that exchange Dardevil and Punisher shared on the boat but...that can easily turn out to be nothing

And he threw Nobu off the roof.

The guy died twice before that tho. Being burned to crisp in S1, which they mentioned in S2. Then being kicked off the Stairwell by DD, which falling from that height would have killed anyone or at least would have paralyzed him, maybe had brain damage from a broken skull, or broke every bone in his body which you know should have put him out of commission for a few months to heal. So it's obvious he knew he wouldn't have killed him by throwing him off the building.
 

jmood88

Member
I hope they just don't handwave Daredevil being okay with killing in the last episode. It seems like they could be potentially building up towards something with that exchange Dardevil and Punisher shared on the boat but...that can easily turn out to be nothing

And he threw Nobu off the roof.
He's still a human being and he just saw a potential happy (for him) life get taken away from him.
 

Sephzilla

Member
Just finished the whole season. God damn, Punisher absolutely stole the entire fucking show. I was kind of upset that he didn't play a bigger role in that last fight though. When they teased Daredevil and Electra vs a hundred ninjas I figured Castle would end up mowing a bunch of them down.
 
I hope they just don't handwave Daredevil being okay with killing in the last episode. It seems like they could be potentially building up towards something with that exchange Dardevil and Punisher shared on the boat but...that can easily turn out to be nothing

And he threw Nobu off the roof.

The roof? They handwaved him setting Nobu on fire in season 1 and letting him burn to death. In fact, what was Matt's reaction upon seeing Nobu? "You're dead...?" I've always felt Matt's struggle with having any people killed under his watch was always a little hollow after that played out in season 1.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
Finished season two. Definitely thought the first half of the season was far better than the second half. Episode 10 was insane though.

I'm honestly going to have to watch it again since some things during the second half of the season didn't really click for me (a bit hard to follow). I enjoyed it but I definitely feel that the first season was better.
 

Garlador

Member
Four episodes in and already I'm blown away. This is so damn good. It could change but so far it's exceeding even my favorite moments of the first season.
 

Walpurgis

Banned
Anyone else sick of the elder abuse in this show? Why are Matt and Elektra so mean to Stick? They're always so rough and rude with him even though he's always peaceful. He's like their father too. Wtf...
Finished season two. Definitely thought the first half of the season was far better than the second half. Episode 10 was insane though.

I'm honestly going to have to watch it again since some things during the second half of the season didn't really click for me (a bit hard to follow). I enjoyed it but I definitely feel that the first season was better.

I actually found the second half a little hard to follow as well. The Daredevil/Elektra storyline grew more complex but at the same time, we were following a conspiracy with Karen with The Punisher doing his thing, which also became more complex. I still don't get how Karen figured out that The Punisher's army mate was The Blacksmith based off of an extra guy in a photo.

The last few episodes were a little exhausting and less prone to binge-watching for me.
 

Jobbs

Banned
I'm tired of people who don't believe in killing causing harm and fucking things up due to their stupid principles

In TWD
it's unbearable
 
I actually found the second half a little hard to follow as well. The Daredevil/Elektra storyline grew more complex but at the same time, we were following a conspiracy with Karen with The Punisher doing his thing, which also became more complex. I still don't get how Karen figured out that The Punisher's army mate was The Blacksmith based off of an extra guy in a photo.

The last few episodes were a little exhausting and less prone to binge-watching for me.
Yeah. I really liked season 2, but I could've used with all of the Elektra/Stick/Hand story cut out. Not that it wasn't interesting...but it wasn't very interesting. Especially compared to the Punisher. And it just felt like they didn't know how to blend all the stories so they did one than the other, and didn't mix them together well at all.
 
Anyone else sick of the elder abuse in this show? Why are Matt and Elektra so mean to Stick? They're always so rough and rude with him even though he's always peaceful. He's like their father too. Wtf...

Dude what? Stick is rude as hell and is a major dick. He uses them quite often without telling them shit and gets all uppity when they want to know why. Ffs Matt's entire college romance with Elektra was all a big work by Stick.
 

TheOddOne

Member
- THR: 'Daredevil' Bosses on Season 2 Finale Cliffhangers: "We're Not Done Telling This Story".
Did you craft the ending of season two with the hope that there would be a third season of Daredevil before The Defenders team-up series?

Ramirez: Marvel TV and Jeph Loeb have a solid plan for how everything will weave into everything. We definitely crafted it with the goal of feeding into the larger Marvel TV Universe because they have such a specific plan of action for Marvel and Netflix. That was just our hope, to make sure that it worked as its own season of TV and also as fitting in to the larger world of all the other shows.
There have been talks about a spinoff series revolving around the Punisher, and the way his arc ended in the finale set that up with Frank helping Matt win his fight against the Hand. How far along are these spinoff talks?

Ramirez: [Laughs.] I hate not being able to answer any of these questions but that's another one for Marvel TV, not for us.

Petrie: We can't go near that one, unfortunately.
Much more at the link.
 
Just finished the whole season. God damn, Punisher absolutely stole the entire fucking show. I was kind of upset that he didn't play a bigger role in that last fight though. When they teased Daredevil and Electra vs a hundred ninjas I figured Castle would end up mowing a bunch of them down.

With a teased minigun.
 

Trident

Loaded With Aspartame
Four episodes in and already I'm blown away. This is so damn good. It could change but so far it's exceeding even my favorite moments of the first season.

Unfortunately it completely drops off a cliff after that and keeps getting worse.
 

kirblar

Member
Unfortunately it completely drops off a cliff after that and keeps getting worse.
The season needed to be structured in two acts. Past Frank's prison arc there's no suspense/momentum the rest of the season- it's a bunch of plot scenarios repeated with diminishing returns. (Especially with Karen as Damsel in Distress.)

I appreciate that they tried to avoid the issues that plagued JJ S1, but they got left with a different set of issues.
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Finsihed it last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it more than JJ and DDS1. It's not without flaws though. Some moments, they are too busy alternating between the Castle/Page story and the DD/Elektra one, which ends up as a distraction for both. I'd rather have them focus on a DD/Elektra situation, finish that, and then cut back to Castle and Page.

Punisher showing up on the rooftop for the final fight felt forced too. One second he's in is house, painting his armor, the next all of a sudden he's providing backup for DD. It made no sense at all, but I'll write that off as comicbook logic, which is a shame, because the shows try their best to refrain from that sort of stuff.

I fucking loved Foggy doing his lawyer thing, made him something more than just Matt's anchor to the real world.
I disliked the EIC of the newspaper, at some times, he was acting like he had a hidden agenda, hell, at one point I thought he was in cahoots with Blacksmith.
Speaking of which, I cannot get enough of Clancy Brown, he was great, especially in the courtroom. Why does Marvel have to kill it's greatest villains, in this case before he came to full fruitition?
Fisk was a treat, they finally showed his full physical power, without overselling it. Dude is a beast you do not want to cross. His rise to power in prison was shown just enough, I think he was well handled. Scheming, using people to have them do stuff for him.

Punisher was great, Jon Bernthal brought something else to the character, something the Lundgren, Jane and Stevenson incarnations were missing.
I liked Elektra, I had my doubts before the show started, but she held her own, both physically in combat, but also in the dialogues.
 
Finsihed it last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it more than JJ and DDS1. It's not without flaws though. Some moments, they are too busy alternating between the Castle/Page story and the DD/Elektra one, which ends up as a distraction for both. I'd rather have them focus on a DD/Elektra situation, finish that, and then cut back to Castle and Page.

Punisher showing up on the rooftop for the final fight felt forced too. One second he's in is house, painting his armor, the next all of a sudden he's providing backup for DD. It made no sense at all, but I'll write that off as comicbook logic, which is a shame, because the shows try their best to refrain from that sort of stuff.

I fucking loved Foggy doing his lawyer thing, made him something more than just Matt's anchor to the real world.
I disliked the EIC of the newspaper, at some times, he was acting like he had a hidden agenda, hell, at one point I thought he was in cahoots with Blacksmith.
Speaking of which, I cannot get enough of Clancy Brown, he was great, especially in the courtroom. Why does Marvel have to kill it's greatest villains, in this case before he came to full fruitition?
Fisk was a treat, they finally showed his full physical power, without overselling it. Dude is a beast you do not want to cross. His rise to power in prison was shown just enough, I think he was well handled. Scheming, using people to have them do stuff for him.

Punisher was great, Jon Bernthal brought something else to the character, something the Lundgren, Jane and Stevenson incarnations were missing.
I liked Elektra, I had my doubts before the show started, but she held her own, both physically in combat, but also in the dialogues.

How so? DD saved his ass when he was cornered. He had access to the radio in the shed. He saw an opportunity to continue his vengeance and to payback DD.
 

Banglish

Member
Finsihed it last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it more than JJ and DDS1. It's not without flaws though. Some moments, they are too busy alternating between the Castle/Page story and the DD/Elektra one, which ends up as a distraction for both. I'd rather have them focus on a DD/Elektra situation, finish that, and then cut back to Castle and Page.

Punisher showing up on the rooftop for the final fight felt forced too. One second he's in is house, painting his armor, the next all of a sudden he's providing backup for DD. It made no sense at all, but I'll write that off as comicbook logic, which is a shame, because the shows try their best to refrain from that sort of stuff.

I fucking loved Foggy doing his lawyer thing, made him something more than just Matt's anchor to the real world.
I disliked the EIC of the newspaper, at some times, he was acting like he had a hidden agenda, hell, at one point I thought he was in cahoots with Blacksmith.
Speaking of which, I cannot get enough of Clancy Brown, he was great, especially in the courtroom. Why does Marvel have to kill it's greatest villains, in this case before he came to full fruitition?
Fisk was a treat, they finally showed his full physical power, without overselling it. Dude is a beast you do not want to cross. His rise to power in prison was shown just enough, I think he was well handled. Scheming, using people to have them do stuff for him.

Punisher was great, Jon Bernthal brought something else to the character, something the Lundgren, Jane and Stevenson incarnations were missing.
I liked Elektra, I had my doubts before the show started, but she held her own, both physically in combat, but also in the dialogues.

Just finished it. I feel like I enjoyed season 1 better but definitely liked it more than JJ S1.
I really enjoyed how the Punisher came into being. The flow felt natural. The Colonel was executed well. And I seriously can't get enough of Fisk. The boom of his voice mixed his dialogue.. so well done. Electra was alright, I didn't feel like it was anything to write home about.
 
Good luck trying to make Foggy redeem himself or something next season unless its through death, writers.

What a drag his character remained for the entire second half of the season all while his actors acting hadn't improved at all since S1 and remained the lowlight.

Wonder how they'll tackle the Matt Murdock: Lawyer side of things next season early on now really.
I really dont understand this sentiment, everything Foggy said was true from his perspective.

The whole season Matt was keeping secrets, putting himself in danger and ruining their business so for Foggy every complaint he had was justified.

Now does that mean Matt was wrong? Not fully, of course he does need his friends and needs to also have a normal life but he also knew about everything that was going on with the Hand and Punisher so for him he did the right thing.

We are privileged to have both perspectives so we can look at the whole picture and evaluate what course of action is best but the shows characters dont have that luxury so you cant expect them to come to the same conclusions are you do.
 
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