Hot Coldman
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Considering the show as a three-act story, we pretty much got a whole act of lawyer stuff in the People vs Frank Castle, so my expectations were surpassed.
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Marvel's Daredevil S2 *Spoiler Thread* |OT| Elektra Boogaloo - March 18th on Netflix
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Considering the show as a three-act story, we pretty much got a whole act of lawyer stuff in the People vs Frank Castle, so my expectations were surpassed.
I really hope that Micro never appears in the Punisher spinoff.
plasmawave
Banned
One thing that I find weird is they went nowhere with the concussion/hearing loss of DD.
And it's not like he's a small guy, he's just more doughy than Michael Clark Duncan.
dragonyeuw
Member
Just finished the season this morning.
Good:
- Punisher. Please tell me he's getting his own show
- Punisher-karen relationship
- foggy coming into his own in the courtroom
- Elektra was well-cast
- matt coming clean to karen at the end. Just felt like she had earned it by that point
Bad
- got lost towards the end with the blacksky storyline
- Matt and Karen worked well when they were teasing the romantic connection, seemed forced when they tried to run with that plotline
- I found some of the non-action moments ie the punisher/daredevil verbal battles, karen/frank dynamic, courtroom, more compelling than some of the fights. Am I the only one who kind of 'sighed' towards the last few episodes at all the fights? I cant believe I'm saying that, but it got kinda of boring at points.
Good:
- Punisher. Please tell me he's getting his own show
- Punisher-karen relationship
- foggy coming into his own in the courtroom
- Elektra was well-cast
- matt coming clean to karen at the end. Just felt like she had earned it by that point
Bad
- got lost towards the end with the blacksky storyline
- Matt and Karen worked well when they were teasing the romantic connection, seemed forced when they tried to run with that plotline
- I found some of the non-action moments ie the punisher/daredevil verbal battles, karen/frank dynamic, courtroom, more compelling than some of the fights. Am I the only one who kind of 'sighed' towards the last few episodes at all the fights? I cant believe I'm saying that, but it got kinda of boring at points.
I liked it, but yeah, it kinda falls apart in the later half. Still much better overall than Jessica Jones.
The romance plot didn't work. I get why they did, to contrast Matt's two different worlds- the one where's a lawyer with Nelson, in a normal relationship with Karen; and the one where he's Daredevil alongside Elektra. But he just seemed to forget about Karen in the last third, asking Elektra to run off him with him, while watching her kill a LOT of people. The thing he spurned her for in the first place. Like... the shift was too quick. Or maybe just not as smooth as it could've been. I also get that Daredevil was opening himself up to possibly killing if it was was absolutely necessary, but see the previous sentences.
And the identity of the Blacksmith was on the obvious side, plus the whole "Karen randomly seeing the picture and connecting the dots during a conversation" bit is so overdone. As soon as he opened the door, I thought "Yep, know how this is going to play out." It's basically the deus ex machine to everything nowadays.
The romance plot didn't work. I get why they did, to contrast Matt's two different worlds- the one where's a lawyer with Nelson, in a normal relationship with Karen; and the one where he's Daredevil alongside Elektra. But he just seemed to forget about Karen in the last third, asking Elektra to run off him with him, while watching her kill a LOT of people. The thing he spurned her for in the first place. Like... the shift was too quick. Or maybe just not as smooth as it could've been. I also get that Daredevil was opening himself up to possibly killing if it was was absolutely necessary, but see the previous sentences.
And the identity of the Blacksmith was on the obvious side, plus the whole "Karen randomly seeing the picture and connecting the dots during a conversation" bit is so overdone. As soon as he opened the door, I thought "Yep, know how this is going to play out." It's basically the deus ex machine to everything nowadays.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Did not like that he and Frank left things on a positive note. He just lets The Punisher walk away?
Also, how there was no reason for the Punisher Imposter other than to make Frank look sympathetic and for us to forget he is basically a serial killer.
Also, how there was no reason for the Punisher Imposter other than to make Frank look sympathetic and for us to forget he is basically a serial killer.
Nemesis121
Member
I didn't like him, his Kingpin made me laugh way too much when he was on screen in season 1..all i saw was the Pillsbury dough character.....lol
Your opinion is wrong.
There wasn't much to it. He took a shot to the head that fucked up his hearing for a brief period and then it cleared up.
Yep, I thought the same. It's Chekhov's disappearing gun.
Wait, was the military guy who Frank killed at the end the Blacksmith, or just someone working for him? Because I refuse to believe that someone who has a reputation for eluding EVERYONE from federal agencies to Chinese drug dealers, would have pictures of his men (who were also his criminal associates) on his wall. Not only that, the one that Karen recognized (I think) announced to Frank that they all fuckin' knew him. (It was something like "You shouldn't have left us Frank!") Seriously... what?
Mike Works
Member
The best part of this season was Bernthal's monologue at the graveyard. Captivating work.
The second best part of this season was how Daredevil turns into a dog after he throws Nobu off the roof. Seriously, watch the scene again. He's a dog. He turns into a dog in a man's body. It's great.
Overall a great season, but man these Marvel Netflix shows need to figure out how to not fuck things up in the latter episodes. I'm sure there's some sort of internal logic when it comes to The Hand and Stick and Elektra and the giant clay pot and the blood zombie children and the hole in the ground where I assume they're going to bury a bunch of ET cartridges, but if you're not going to let the audience in on even a little of it, then why the hell should we care about any of it?
The second best part of this season was how Daredevil turns into a dog after he throws Nobu off the roof. Seriously, watch the scene again. He's a dog. He turns into a dog in a man's body. It's great.
Overall a great season, but man these Marvel Netflix shows need to figure out how to not fuck things up in the latter episodes. I'm sure there's some sort of internal logic when it comes to The Hand and Stick and Elektra and the giant clay pot and the blood zombie children and the hole in the ground where I assume they're going to bury a bunch of ET cartridges, but if you're not going to let the audience in on even a little of it, then why the hell should we care about any of it?
Textured Monk
Member
Wasn't this how Punisher caught him and tied him up on the roof? It was getting better, then they had the fight at the sting where his head fucked him up again?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Comic rules always apply. Unless you literally see a character be killed on camera, assume they're alive. Heck, even if you do see them killed on camera they might come back.
Ok thanks. I thought that was stupid as shit, dying for no cause like that.
Textured Monk
Member
He's talking about ep 11, which I'm guessing was the boat explosion.
When the ship blew up, right at the end of episode 11. Watching 12 now, so I'ma leave the thread ^.^.
It's fine.
isnt it the spoiler thread for a reason
SJRB
Gold Member
Yeah I was thinking about this myself. There's no way that fucking military guy is the elusive Blacksmith, Karen saw right through him in five minutes. Would be a huge anti-climax.
My take is that Punisher is still looking for the actual Blacksmith.
she only noticed that something was off due to the pic and seeing the dead guy. had she not seen the dead guy she never would have known
also im pretty sure he was the blacksmith. he says something like "it would be worth losing some harrowin if it killed you" to the punisher
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It definitely felt rushed compared to some of the sequences earlier in the season. I was hyped for it when they showed all the ninjas coming from the rooftops and below, but then it turned into a fight with just Nobu, and then a slightly harder than usual fight with The Hand. Definitely not the last stand that Matt and Elektra were making it out to be.
Also, The Punisher stuff felt tacked on. I expected him to show up, but his sequence just felt disjointed. All it was missing was a thumbs up. But otherwise, everything before that in the final episode was solid. I enjoyed the moments between Elektra and Matt.
Yep that was a missed opportunity, I will echo whatever everyone has said here that it felt like The Punisher was going to appear and kill as many ninjas as he could with his machine gun to level the playing field for DD and Electra, at least from what the previews had teased.
I want to like this show. I do. But the lack of internal logic is killing me. Sure, okay, we have a blind guy who has crazy heightened senses because he came into contact with magic goo. And then he decides to wear a silly suit with horns, and for some reason we're going to call him Daredevil, because--I'm pretty sure this is a direct quote from the writing room--"that's what his name was in the comic so I guess we have to call him that."
It's based on a comic. It doesn't have to make sense. I can roll with that.
But at least have some goddamn consistency in your world. Don't have him going "I can hear a liquid dripping in the basement of the building, and my senses are so good that I can tell you the liquid is BLOOD yeah I bet you're impressed" one second, and then literally thirty seconds later have him walk into a room with a bunch of people chained up and go "is anyone there, because if you are I can't see you because I'm blind remember that's my thing."
Just give me that. A tiny bit, an OUNCE, of consistency. I'm begging you.
It's based on a comic. It doesn't have to make sense. I can roll with that.
But at least have some goddamn consistency in your world. Don't have him going "I can hear a liquid dripping in the basement of the building, and my senses are so good that I can tell you the liquid is BLOOD yeah I bet you're impressed" one second, and then literally thirty seconds later have him walk into a room with a bunch of people chained up and go "is anyone there, because if you are I can't see you because I'm blind remember that's my thing."
Just give me that. A tiny bit, an OUNCE, of consistency. I'm begging you.
Wait, what? When did this happen? The only times he uses that, is when people are around him and he has to act blind. People would go batshit insane if they saw a blind man catch a cup that dropped off a table. Matt can do that, but he doesn't, to keep the illusion of him being blind and impaired alive.
One thing I just realized, something beautiful; in episode 3, Frank tries his best to convince DD of his ways. Make him see that the only way crime is to be resolved, is the Punisher way. Put 'em down and they don't get up. Towards the end of the series, on the boat where Blacksmith ought to be, DD is convinced that some criminals can't be dealt with through law, but need to be executed. And he admits to Frank that just this once, they're going to do it his way. I loved how Frank just sat there and went "nah, you can't do it just once, once you cross that line, you can't come back.", stopping him from becoming like him. There was something resembling a mutual respect, even though they disagree on methodology. It was truly wonderful.
Overall a pretty great season, especially when compared to the first.
I don't think the Elektra stuff is bad. As a matter of fact, I think if the season was just Elektra/Black Sky, it would have been pretty good! The actress is great, and the character is fun.
The "problem" is that the Punisher stuff is just so, so, so much better. None of the ninja shit compared to the gang war or prison fight imo. All I wanted was for Red or Karen to call the Punisher in to help in that last fight and have him open up his minigun on a room full of ninjas. Maybe next season?
I don't think the Elektra stuff is bad. As a matter of fact, I think if the season was just Elektra/Black Sky, it would have been pretty good! The actress is great, and the character is fun.
The "problem" is that the Punisher stuff is just so, so, so much better. None of the ninja shit compared to the gang war or prison fight imo. All I wanted was for Red or Karen to call the Punisher in to help in that last fight and have him open up his minigun on a room full of ninjas. Maybe next season?
Yeah, great moment.
I don't share the ninja hate. More ninjas please; the corporate espionage bits were also cool. I didn't like how the last fight was handled, nor Karen's "article". I wonder if the Season would have been tighter at 10 episodes... Leave some of the Black Sky build up for S3, and give Punisher some more screen time. The Blacksmith arc was the worst thing about S2, for me.
You would definitely shit your pants in front of him !
And in that episode, Fisk was benching something like 570 pounds, guy's a monster !
Later, he snaps out of his cuffs like they're made of paper.
The cuffs weren't latched.
Is Blacksmith a comic character? I thought it was the weakest plot of the season. It started as an intriguing mystery, but it kind of fizzled.
PayOffWizard
Member
It just auto played after the credits. I cant seem to find it on netflix now, it must be some kind of hidden link.
Ahh well its on youtube anyway.
Luke Cage Tease
Okay I was tired last night but there's no way I'd miss this.What are you talking about? He was right there!
This ain't Blacksmith.
I dunno, I don't read comics.
But it's weird as hell they were building up to this climax with Blacksmith and then nothing happened. Real amateurish on Netflix.
LordRaptor
Member
Uh... you should probably rewatch those last couple of episodes
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
What a weird second half.
Why were they collecting blood? It looked like they were feeding it to something inside that coffin thing but next thing we know it's empty and Elektra is being placed in it.
Nobu was a lame final boss. It's like Stick read my mind when he decapped him.
This show loves to give us blue balls. Took all of last season for DD to get a proper suit, took all of this season to get full Punisher and all he did was snipe a few dudes.
Matt sure did Karen dirty, basically ditching her for Elektra. He went from just short of hating her to swooning over her way too quickly.
I didn't realize how much I missed Fisk until after his episode. Nobu 2.0 ain't got nothing on him.
Why were they collecting blood? It looked like they were feeding it to something inside that coffin thing but next thing we know it's empty and Elektra is being placed in it.
Nobu was a lame final boss. It's like Stick read my mind when he decapped him.
This show loves to give us blue balls. Took all of last season for DD to get a proper suit, took all of this season to get full Punisher and all he did was snipe a few dudes.
Matt sure did Karen dirty, basically ditching her for Elektra. He went from just short of hating her to swooning over her way too quickly.
I didn't realize how much I missed Fisk until after his episode. Nobu 2.0 ain't got nothing on him.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Yeah, it is. He was the one organising the deal between the three gangs, along with the chap that Karen recognised at the boat explosion.
No fucking way.
This guy doesn't seem like a mastermind, and what, the whole goddamn Yakuza with all their money and ninjas and Nobu couldn't find him but a Karen Page could?
No, this can't be.
It's Clancy Brown, if he shows up playing someone 'nice' then you know he's coming back and doing a heel turn.