I know a lot of people hated that movie at the time, but I loved and still love that movie.
and they haven't taken extreme draconian measure like China.
The South Korean government is publishing the movements of people before they were diagnosed with the virus — retracing their steps using tools such as GPS phone tracking, credit card records, surveillance video and old-fashioned personal interviews with patients.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ed568e-5fac-11ea-ac50-18701e14e06d_story.html
People who got corona virus are being publicly shammed with their private lives being made public.
They better have other draconian measures like obligatory testing in every corner, or people will simply lie to avoid shame and the virus will go underground.
Is this breaking out in middle eastern countries?
Done the same thing , better life a bit. Triple special beers baby!Instead of panic buying groceries my wife and I hit the dispensary and liquor store. Time to try and forget this week for a while. Have a great night GAF!
That’s what you get when countries down played this for 3 months , if they told 3 months ago this was not the flu and get some extra food and stuff every week with your regular shopping this wouldn’t happen ...Dammit... I work at a supermarket and have seen first hand how effed up everything is.
My shift started at 9 am but I arrived at 8:30. At that time, almost all carts were in use,
multiple shelves were empty, and lines out the wazoo. We were already out of toilet paper ,and napkins/
paper towels were going quickly. It lasted my entire shift and then some. It was a fucking nightmare.
yes details as visits to love hotels, sex therapy, etc. People are more afraid of being shamed than of the symptoms of the disease. Not only are people blaming others for giving them corona, but affairs and other private matters are coming to light, and people are being made pariahs in social media.Not really, this allows people to know if they may have come in contact with the virus on that persons route.
They aren't dragging people into vans or anything.
Either way their numbers don't lie. If the only thing you knew about the virus was from SK you would think its odd, and very dangerous to old people, but I don't think you would see it worth fighting for toilet paper over.
My country, the Netherlands is almost exactly the Italian curve , yet we still have schools open ...
COVID-19 and Italy: what next?
Italy has had 12 462 confirmed cases according to the Istituto Superiore di Sanità as of March 11, and 827 deaths. Only China has recorded more deaths due to this COVID-19 outbreak. The mean age of those who died in Italy was 81 years and more than two-thirds of these patients had diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, or cancer, or were former smokers. It is therefore true that these patients had underlying health conditions, but it is also worth noting that they had acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pneumonia, needed respiratory support, and would not have died otherwise. Of the patients who died, 42·2% were aged 80–89 years, 32·4% were aged 70–79 years, 8·4% were aged 60–69 years, and 2·8% were aged 50–59 years (those aged >90 years made up 14·1%). The male to female ratio is 80% to 20% with an older median age for women (83·4 years for women vs 79·9 years for men).
n Italy, we have approximately 5200 beds in intensive care units. Of those, as of March 11, 1028 are already devoted to patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection, and in the near future this number will progressively increase to the point that thousands of beds will soon be occupied by patients with COVID-19. Given that the mortality of patients who are critically ill with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is high and that the survival time of non-survivors is 1–2 weeks, the number of people infected in Italy will probably impose a major strain on critical care facilities in our hospitals, some of which do not have adequate resources or staff to deal with this emergency. In the Lombardy region, despite extraordinary efforts to restrict the movement of people at the expense of the Italian economy, we are dealing with an even greater fear—that the number of patients who present to the emergency room will become much greater than the system can cope with. The number of intensive care beds necessary to give the maximum number of patients the chance to be treated will reach several thousand, but the exact number is still a matter of discussion among experts. Health-care professionals have been working day and night since Feb 20, and in doing so around 20% (n=350) of them have become infected, and some have died. Lombardy is responding to the lack of beds for patients with COVID-19 by sending patients who need intensive care but are not infected with COVID-19 to hospitals outside of the region to contain the virus.
The number of patients admitted to intensive care units increased similarly in Italy, with an exponential trend up until March 8. The best fit of the data reported by the Italian Ministry for Health can be obtained using the same exponent that best fits the number of patients who are infected, as shown in figure 2A. The data available up until March 8 show that the trend in the number of patients who will need admission to intensive care units will increase substantially and relentlessly in the next few days. We can predict with quite a good degree of accuracy that this number will push the national health system to full capacity in a matter of days. Considering that the number of available beds in intensive care units in Italy is close to 5200, and assuming that half of these beds can be used for patients with COVID-19, the system will be at maximum capacity, according to this prediction, by March 14, 2020. This situation is difficult, given that the number of patients who will need to be admitted to the intensive care unit is predicted to further increase after that date, as shown in figure 2B.
At this point, the most important question is whether the increase in the number of patients who are infected and those requiring intensive care admittance will continue to rise exponentially and for how long. If the change in the slope of the curve does not take place soon, the clinical and social problems will take on unmanageable dimensions, which are expected to have catastrophic results. The only way we can make such predictions is by comparing the trends in the data collected in the Hubei region in China for COVID-19 infection with that for the Italian population. From the official report of the WHO–China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019, it is possible to derive the cumulative curve of the patients who are infected from the start of the data series. These data, as reported in figure 3, show that the initial phase of the infection outbreak followed the expected exponential trend, with the same exponent previously calculated for the number of Italian patients who were infected. Starting Jan 7, the cumulative number of patients who were infected started to diverge from the exponential trend 20 days later. If the Italian outbreak follows a similar trend to that in China, we can suggest that the number of newly infected patients might start to decrease within 3–4 days from March 11. Similarly, we can foresee that the cumulative curve of patients who are infected will peak 30 days later, with the maximum load for clinical facilities for the treatment of these patients foreseen for that period.
So if I am reading this correctly 8 out of 6235 people >60 died, which is a death rate of 1.2%
And 59 out of 1744 for <60, 3.8% death rate.
In the most infected group, 20-29, 0 people died. This is out of over 2200 infected people. Thats more than the 60 and above (21.8%) combined, which accounts for almost all the deaths. . only 2 people under 50 died.
This thing basically kills old people. The number 1 goal should be to keep it away from people over 50. No wonder many world leaders are shitting bricks they are the target age demographic.
I have to say looking at these numbers this is kinda silly right now. Yes its highly infectious, but if you are from a competent country like SK then this is really nothing. I mean we just cancelled NHL, TV, Movies, Wrestlemania, 11 Trillion dollars, AIRLINES, Cruiselines, and people are throwing down for toilet paper for something that attacks the elderly who are generally usually pretty confined and quarntined. Not to make light of old people and their deaths but not many of them are going to Football games or Wrestlemania or pretty much anywhere.
Not saying its just the flu bro, but SK is a model country in regards to this and they haven't taken extreme draconian measure like China. They controlled the situation and I would trust their numbers. If you are under 50 you aren't dying from this, or most likely even going to the hospital. You aren't a danger to others under 40. The biggest threat is spreading it to people 60 and above and overloading hospitals, which many countries cannot afford to do anyways.
But go buy your TP and beat someone up for some onions, you can wear it on your belt if it makes you feel better. We have top minds working on a vaccine and there comes a point where we will be able to inoculate ourselves from this. We actually would probably be better off sending all people under 40 to giant COVID parties and let them immunize themselves to it LOL.
My country, the Netherlands is almost exactly the Italian curve , yet we still have schools open ...
Not good. Seems the NL prime minister is operating with faulty info:
(Prime Minister Rutte believes that the schools should remain open, "children do not get sick and do not transfer Corona to adults" NPO1 at 6:30 PM, weekly conversation with the MP)
First batch of discharged patients out of Hong Kong:
Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say
Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients.www.scmp.com
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
Thanks , sounds bad, hopefully with mild symptoms mild after math.First batch of discharged patients out of Hong Kong:
Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say
Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients.www.scmp.com
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
haha Karen. When you are not being a pain in everyone’s ass you are not funny either
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
I can't find the exact quote again, but the expert on Sam Harris's podcast #191 seemed to think this applied mostly to people who'd needed serious medical intervention (breathing machines etc). I.e. the disease and/or pneumonia steamrolled their lungs, and their lungs were left in a bad state as a result. So it probably doesn't apply to everyone who gets the virus, mercifully. He said this was a common after-effect of people whose lungs are are damaged by illness in general, not just for CV.
It should be safe on a flight, well much safer than a train or bus! The air is conditioned and circulated bottom to top. Unless some one is coughing on you or is carrier and sat next to you, you should be fine.
Apparently you can get permanent heart, lung and liver damage.First batch of discharged patients out of Hong Kong:
Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say
Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients.www.scmp.com
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
Not everyone feels like death from corona ... just saying . But yes could also be cold.Well I’m definitely ill, and it’s definitely flu-like symptoms. My cough has got worse and I’m having to blow my nose regularly. My eyes feel puffy and I feel very tired.
No way of knowing if it’s corona virus or just normal flu, as the UK won’t test for it. Luckily it’s the weekend so I can make a judgement call on Monday morning. I don’t actually feel too bad, but every now and then I get a random coughing fit.
My gut feeling is that it isn’t Corona. I feel like shit but I don’t feel like death.
You're probably alright but always good to be alert. We're thinking about you so keep going, brotha.Well I’m definitely ill, and it’s definitely flu-like symptoms. My cough has got worse and I’m having to blow my nose regularly. My eyes feel puffy and I feel very tired.
No way of knowing if it’s corona virus or just normal flu, as the UK won’t test for it. Luckily it’s the weekend so I can make a judgement call on Monday morning. I don’t actually feel too bad, but every now and then I get a random coughing fit.
My gut feeling is that it isn’t Corona. I feel like shit but I don’t feel like death.
Yeah, pneumonia does that to you, any kind of pneumonia really. It takes a good couple of months, sometimes years to fully recover your lung functionality. Luckily lungs are one of the few organs in our body that do regenerate.I can't find the exact quote again, but the expert on Sam Harris's podcast #191 seemed to think this applied mostly to people who'd needed serious medical intervention (breathing machines etc). I.e. the disease and/or pneumonia steamrolled their lungs, and their lungs were left in a bad state as a result. So it probably doesn't apply to everyone who gets the virus, mercifully. He said this was a common after-effect of people whose lungs are are damaged by illness in general, not just for CV.
Not everyone feels like death from corona ... just saying . But yes could also be cold.
Most have mild symptoms if you not get any worse it’s okay. If you get pneumonia in most cases get fever, so take temperature etc..It’s definitely not a cold as the coughing fits are pretty violent, but at the moment they’re spread out. Right now I feel under the weather but generally fine. Breathing normally and not bunged up.
It’s early morning here in the UK, so I’m off to the local supermarket to stock up whilst there’s very few people about. Obviously I’ll go out of my way to avoid any contact, though I guess that’s not going to help the person at the checkout.
Well I’m definitely ill, and it’s definitely flu-like symptoms. My cough has got worse and I’m having to blow my nose regularly. My eyes feel puffy and I feel very tired.
No way of knowing if it’s corona virus or just normal flu, as the UK won’t test for it. Luckily it’s the weekend so I can make a judgement call on Monday morning. I don’t actually feel too bad, but every now and then I get a random coughing fit.
My gut feeling is that it isn’t Corona. I feel like shit but I don’t feel like death.
If it's a new cough what you actually do is STAY THE FUCK HOME FOR 7 DAYS as per the guidance given.
It’s definitely not a cold as the coughing fits are pretty violent, but at the moment they’re spread out. Right now I feel under the weather but generally fine. Breathing normally and not bunged up.
I’m not a hoarder, so one trip to stock up and then I’ll do exactly that. I don’t have 7 days worth of food.
Anyway, UK guidance is basically just do nothing and kill off as many of your fellow citizens as possible. Who would have thought this far-right bunch of bastards would turn out to be the legion of doom?
Oh that’s right...anyone with a brain.
Yea there's some weird shit going on.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive-idUSKBN20Y2LM
The FEMA camp bros may have ended up being right /facepalm
RIP the constitution. It was fun while it lasted.
We have 22 or so confirmed cases, most of them from traveling to Italy, or China, I'm certain the real number is higher of course, but if there is a suspected case the response is nuclear - with people in protective gear arriving to your home.Have we got any stats from Russia?
Not pointing fingers but this is actually a good reason to hoard (or stockpile, rather), so you don't have to leave your house if / when it gets bad (which is also good for yourself).I’m not a hoarder, so one trip to stock up and then I’ll do exactly that. I don’t have 7 days worth of food.
Not sure how you jumped to that conclusion. She likely got it while visiting the U.K.Canada has 176 confirmed cases as of yesterday and it just happens that one of those is Trudeau's wife. What are the odds of that? Seriously, they must have thousands and thousand of unaccounted cases at this point...
First batch of discharged patients out of Hong Kong:
Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say
Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients.www.scmp.com
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
Bewilders me why this stuff makes the news. These people had pneumonia. Pneumonia causes lung damage. It's been doing that for millenia. We often discharge people still on oxygen after they've been treated. Some take weeks to wean off it, others never do. There is nothing novel about the novel coronavirus causing lung damage.First batch of discharged patients out of Hong Kong:
Some recovered Covid-19 patients may have lung damage, doctors say
Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients.www.scmp.com
Some "recovered" patients are exhibiting 20-30% reduced lung function and can't walk briskly without gasping for air. Serious lung damage.
Not sure how you jumped to that conclusion. She likely got it while visiting the U.K.
Highly doubtful that would translate to 1000s of infections. Thats about 500x the R0 of this disease.You get this disease from interacting with people and the Truedaus meet dozens of new people every day, shaking hands and having dinners with them, way more then the average Joe.
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I'm guessing you've never actually had flu - you're in for a bit of a shock if you ever do. You certainly won't be in any state to swan round the local Tescos.