Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Tajin said:
Mass Effect 3 is getting hammered on Amazon reviews. A united alliance of humans of every race, simply enraged at the ending. Goddamn, Bioware has really called the wrath of the internet upon themselves.

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. . . Why is Mass Effect on 360 sold out? And costing THAT MUCH used? Fuck, that's the last god damn thing a 3 part trilogy JUST reaching its conclusion should have, EA/Microsoft shouldn't have allowed that situation to happen.
 
Zeitgeister said:
'not making sense' and 'screw you for playing' are not the same. Nobody is saying the writing has to put shakespeare to shame, just that it needs to acknowledge the actual game and player input.

It's almost as if Bioware is unaware of Jesper Jules' Half-Real, which ultimately defines a game as being rule based structure where players affect the outcome. ME2 was limited in that regard (as was ME1 with hindsight), but not without it. It just didn't move the general plot forward, and much of its problems came directly from allowing players to affect all possible outcomes.
ME3 has a similar structure in terms of player affecting the outcomes pre-ending, but the ending itself does not.

They might as well have released ME3 as an interactive video, since it doesn't live up to the definition of a game.

come to think of it, that is the problem, isn't it? Everything pre-ending is fantastic in dealing with player choices, and then the ending suddenly changes genres and even the very medium.
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Just a minor comment: I think you are misapplying Juul's definition of games. You are applying it to a macro narrative level, when his definition is trying to pinpoint and characterize what games are and how they differ in specific instances from other media. Clearly Mass Effect fullfills Juul's proposed definition games, in terms of the player having to interact with the game in order for it to progress. Just because player agency is removed in the *narrative* final part of the game does not mean it is no longer a game. Juul would never claim that, because such a drastic definition would exclude linear games completely, e.g. Uncharted not being a game, because it only has one ending and one outcome, regardless player agency.
 
Eusis said:
. . . Why is Mass Effect on 360 sold out? And costing THAT MUCH used? Fuck, that's the last god damn thing a 3 part trilogy JUST reaching its conclusion should have, EA/Microsoft shouldn't have allowed that situation to happen.
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It's available on Games On Demand on XBL.
 
Lime said:
As creepy as fucking blue aliens with tentacles? Or having sex with bipedal dragons/frogs?
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Those are creepy too, but at least they're alive. EDI is like a metal talking Real Doll(tm).

Patryn said:
Udina's motivation is expanded upon in some e-mail or thing elsewhere. He wasn't a Cerberus agent, he just contacted them to help him assume total control over the council to get access to the council fleet so he could take it to immediately liberate Earth because he was getting fed up with how long Shepard was taking.
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Ahh, must have missed that.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Seriously? Ok. Shepard was shot as she was running toward the teleport beam. This is different from being normal shot because her armor was gone and you could not avoid it. The only part where her arm is bloody THE ONLY PART is when she looked at it while Anderson was dying before that it was just dirty and after it was just dirty, this is just an oversight and nothing more, a mistake among dozens of others of Bioware not using the correct model probably because the bloody model was only a close up of her hand and they didn't feel like making a whole new model just for that.
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That's basically the "lol, Bioware" explanation I mentioned. Sorry, but at this point in time I'm not assuming everything they did was just a careless mistake.

But why was Shepard holding her stomach (right where Anderson was shot) while talking to him?

Also, do you think Bioware is careless enough to never make Anderson bleed from his gunshot? During the entire conversation with Illusive Man, he never bleeds.

And about Shepard re-entering orbit and somehow surviving...
 
Tess3ract said:
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Imagine you're a hunter. In order to keep the tigers from killing off all the deer in the world, you kill the best tigers so that later on the deer can be at the top of the food chain in 50,000 years. It's protecting the youngest races from the oldest ones.
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so if the tigers are the orgnics where is the problem of killing deers? wrong example.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Ben Kuchera weighs in: http://penny-arcade.com/report/edit...3-was-satifying-and-worthy-of-the-series-mass

I'm still reading it, but he's doing little to convince me.
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He said...

Kuchera said:
My choices were meant to mean something in the game, but they don’t! It’s all arbitrary! This is the argument that makes the least amount of sense; the forty or so hours before the ending scenes are filled with meaningful moments that deal with your choices. Characters live, or they die. You have to make tricky decisions when dealing with the many races and characters in the game, and past choices will either look wise in retrospect or come back to haunt you. Mass Effect 3 often left me stumped, sitting in front of the television with the controller in my hand, weighing my options.
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I'm shocked anyone can have this opinion. Haunt you? The end of the game has literally no recognition of what the player has done.

All you get is:
Short conversations with crewmates right before the end
Shorter conversations with ME2 crewmates that survived.
"X Fleet reporting in!" during the final battle. This is all you get for the Salarian or Geth fleets.

Am I missing something? Where do I find the wise retrospect this "gaming journalist" is talking about? Maybe these professional critics are getting different games entirely. Or maybe they're all just indoctrinated into the industry.
 
What gets me is that liara was right behind me as we were running towards the light, chose the green ending, see joker and edi coming out from the crashed normandy, and as the camera pans out, liara steps out, I thought she loved me
 
The indoctrination/dream ending doesn't make sense as it cannot explain the scene after the credits. It's the last scene you see and after you see what appears to be your corpse breathing and waking up. It can't be a dream at this point. Moreover, the grandpa and the kids implies space travel is no longer available so the relays did blow up.
 
Why are people surprised the ending was so shitty? I mean really considering what they established what the Reapers were and did in the first game you were expecting them to be defeated NOT by a deus ex machina and their motivations being completely asinine? Really? Granted, yes destroying the Mass Relays was a dumbfuck move story and in-universe wise, but even still.
 
I heard Javik has some dialogue regarding the geth that's related to this singularity thing, is that true? Brief summary?
TacticalFox88 said:
Why are people surprised the ending was so shitty? I mean really considering what they established what the Reapers were and did in the first game you were expecting them to be defeated NOT by a deus ex machina and their motivations being completely asinine? Really? Granted, yes destroying the Mass Relays was a dumbfuck move story and in-universe wise, but even still.
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I thought that the ending would be something like this for a while, but I enjoyed the ride more than I expected to and I guess that made me really feel sad that it ended like this. The other 30 hours of the game is my favorite mass effect.
 
hao chi said:
That's basically the "lol, Bioware" explanation I mentioned. Sorry, but at this point in time I'm not assuming everything they did was just a careless mistake.

But why was Shepard holding her stomach (right where Anderson was shot) while talking to him?

Also, do you think Bioware is careless enough to never make Anderson bleed from his gunshot? During the entire conversation with Illusive Man, he never bleeds.

And about Shepard re-entering orbit and somehow surviving...
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Yes I do believe they were that careless. They used a stock photo for Tali of a girl with a human hand ffs. Your love interest can teleport magically back to the Normandy! Given how quickly the story wraps up, any other explaination other than the above is just wishful thinking. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
 
pyros said:
What gets me is that liara was right behind me as we were running towards the light, chose the green ending, see joker and edi coming out from the crashed normandy, and as the camera pans out, liara steps out, I thought she loved me
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Instead of going with you to the Citadel, Liara apparently completely unharmed decides to go back to the ship, true love there
 
shingonation said:
1. We can assume that the AI only has control of the Reapers, the keepers are still in charge of the citadel relay.
The "hands" of this AI.
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Which is a bit silly and convenient when it could have used to fulfil at least three purposes, control the reapers, remove the need for a reaper to be left behind to periodically check on the state of the races and of course the abilty to open the citadel relay. The keepers would only be used to keep the citadel in working order.

EatChildren said:
Indoctrination DLC theorists have been indoctrinated by BioWare/EA to believe that change and positivity can come if you just remain hopeful and align yourselves (and your money) with the company.

*buys all the DLC*
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lol. I can see where the indoctrination theory people are coming from but it doesn't alleviate my problems with the ending. Probably makes it worse as there would be even less closure since nothing after the beam actually happened and Shepard is either lying dead or alive in rubble.
 
rozay said:
I heard Javik has some dialogue regarding the geth that's related to this singularity thing, is that true? Brief summary?
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He mentions that his cycle had the same problem as the current with the Geth, and is vehemently against Legion, suggesting Shepard blow him out the airlock. He pushes the point that AI cannot and should not ever be trusted, and states this is due to their priorities shaped by their construct. Organics do not know their true purpose or creation in life, and thus seek one themselves. AI does, and thus will always have different priorities, where organics will be expendable.
 
Darknessbear said:
Mass Effect FB has been responding to some about the bad ending with vague answers like, "hang in there". Probably reading too much into it... but who knows.

I know. They wont.
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And the twitter, even telling people it might be different the next time you play through ;)

Which of course is a lie. Even if you pick a different flavour of space magic you get pretty much the exact same ending.
 
Regarding Udina, I was actually disappointed that he ended up so off the rails...because he was scripted as such an ass over the games that it comes off as too obvious. Would have been more interesting that he remain as aggressive/caustic as usual but ultimately see him surprise by having a more positive effect on things.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Why are people surprised the ending was so shitty? I mean really considering what they established what the Reapers were and did in the first game you were expecting them to be defeated NOT by a deus ex machina and their motivations being completely asinine? Really? Granted, yes destroying the Mass Relays was a dumbfuck move story and in-universe wise, but even still.
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I'm pretty sure if Shepard just destroyed the Reaperswhile in that room with Anderson no one would be making a big deal of the ending. Space child just makes everything worse
 
rozay said:
I heard Javik has some dialogue regarding the geth that's related to this singularity thing, is that true? Brief summary?
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Yeah, he talks about how a race started augmenting themselves with cybernetics, including AIs.

The AIs turned against the organics and controlled them. The Protheans then had to wipe 'em out.


After sleeping on it, the only really damning thing against the Indoctrination theory is that terribly worded datapad box at the end saying "Commander Shepard has defeated the reapers. Continue the legend by playing again and downloading DLC."

If it wasn't the ending, why would that stupidly worded and stupidly timed datapad box show up? Unless Bioware decides to put the 'real ending' inbetween the Catalyst and the credits?
 
Tajin said:
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I'm shocked anyone can have this opinion. Haunt you? The end of the game has literally no recognition of what the player has done.

All you get is:
Short conversations with crewmates right before the end
Shorter conversations with ME2 crewmates that survived.
"X Fleet reporting in!" during the final battle. This is all you get for the Salarian or Geth fleets.

Am I missing something? Where do I find the wise retrospect this "gaming journalist" is talking about? Maybe these professional critics are getting different games entirely. Or maybe they're all just indoctrinated into the industry.
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Most of the "game journalists" seem to take the ending complaints as the ravings of uppity nerves. In the meantime the journalists just seem to be sucking Bioware's dick begging for exclusives.

Dresden said:
Man, Jack was actually cool in this game. Funny how not being so emo helps. Meeting her in Grissom was so good.
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I didn't mind Jack too much in ME2. Some of the dialogue where she was trying to sound "hard" came off as terrible, but she was decent. I definitely did enjoy her a hell of a lot more in ME3 though.
 
Dresden said:
kill the deer so the shrubs rule in 50k years
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The leaves, they are sentient.

TacticalFox88 said:
Why are people surprised the ending was so shitty? I mean really considering what they established what the Reapers were and did in the first game you were expecting them to be defeated NOT by a deus ex machina and their motivations being completely asinine? Really? Granted, yes destroying the Mass Relays was a dumbfuck move story and in-universe wise, but even still.
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We didn't expect it to be this.


I never asked for this.
I never asked for lemon, bubble gum, or cherry!
 
Vamphuntr said:
The indoctrination/dream ending doesn't make sense as it cannot explain the scene after the credits. It's the last scene you see and after you see what appears to be your corpse breathing and waking up. It can't be a dream at this point. Moreover, the grandpa and the kids implies space travel is no longer available so the relays did blow up.
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It could imply that the whole ME story is just that, a story. That planet never had space travel and they made up stories about the stars and worlds in the sky. Like we have now.
Or the Winter Space scene could be the real future of the ME world where Shepard does become a legend.
 
LiK said:
i wanted Ashley in my game cuz it was canon from my ME1 game. and i like her new design. Kaidan wasn't bad tho but so fucking boring.
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I had started a female game in me2, and finished me3 with her. On a male playthru now, will try to smang the space racist!
 
LiK said:
Jack had the best line.

"Hey EDI, you look like a sexbot now instead of a sex toy."

BEST LINE IN THE GAME. LOL
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EDI herself had a lot of great lines as a team member, her dry commentary bringing out the best in other characters. When taking her and Tali (as LI) along on the Geth Dreadnought, near the end when Shep and Tali flirt about what they'll be doing later, then realize they have an audience, EDI says she is fully aware they have had physical relations on the ship...

Which is followed by one of maleshep's best deliveries, in chastizing yet embarassed tone, "Thank YOU, EDI..."
 
Zomba13 said:
It could imply that the whole ME story is just that, a story. That planet never had space travel and they made up stories about the stars and worlds in the sky. Like we have now.
Or the Winter Space scene could be the real future of the ME world where Shepard does become a legend.
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Is that grandpa scene red if you are renegade?
 
Metroidvania said:
Yeah, he talks about how a race started augmenting themselves with cybernetics, including AIs.

The AIs turned against the organics and controlled them. The Protheans then had to wipe 'em out.


After sleeping on it, the only really damning thing against the Indoctrination theory is that terribly worded datapad box at the end saying "Commander Shepard has defeated the reapers. Continue the legend by playing again and downloading DLC."

If it wasn't the ending, why would that stupidly worded and stupidly timed datapad box show up? Unless Bioware decides to put the 'real ending' inbetween the Catalyst and the credits?
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Because what we got is the ending. The Indoctrination theory is just post-traumatic victims trying to rationalize a complete nonsensical ending.
 
heliosRAzi said:
The Catalyst is the Citadel, though. It should be able to control every aspect of itself.
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It doesn't. It's probably an intended feature.

lefantome said:
so if the tigers are the orgnics where is the problem of killing deers? wrong example.
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Alucrid said:
But deer are herbivores
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You're missing the point. The asari/turians/humans/salaraians are hte ones at the top of the "food chain" they kill those at the top who would make something that wipes out everything, so the reapers kill them for the sake of saving the younger ones who "haven't done anything wrong yet"
 
Metroidvania said:
Yeah, he talks about how a race started augmenting themselves with cybernetics, including AIs.

The AIs turned against the organics and controlled them. The Protheans then had to wipe 'em out.


After sleeping on it, the only really damning thing against the Indoctrination theory is that terribly worded datapad box at the end saying "Commander Shepard has defeated the reapers. Continue the legend by playing again and downloading DLC."

If it wasn't the ending, why would that stupidly worded and stupidly timed datapad box show up? Unless Bioware decides to put the 'real ending' inbetween the Catalyst and the credits?
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It's the reason Banshees and husks are so mad: all they can see is DLC. Marauders are fine because they're dudebros who are fine with buying DLC.

Come on, are you really suggesting Bioware is such a shitty developer they wouldn't imply this on purpose?
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Why are people surprised the ending was so shitty? I mean really considering what they established what the Reapers were and did in the first game you were expecting them to be defeated NOT by a deus ex machina and their motivations being completely asinine? Really? Granted, yes destroying the Mass Relays was a dumbfuck move story and in-universe wise, but even still.
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I believe most of the surprise is because of the fact that everybody is dead due to mass relay explosions or stranded in the Sol system and the Normandy's crew will forever lost in space, and that all of the information about the Reapers is delivered by that damn kid.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Is that grandpa scene red if you are renegade?
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No clue, every one I've seen has been dark purple/bluey. My friend commented on the Grandpa having a robotic like voice in his but I'm not sure if he means Buzz Aldrin's VA or if his ending was different (with everyone being robotmen)
 
Zomba13 said:
No clue, every one I've seen has been dark purple/bluey. My friend commented on the Grandpa having a robotic like voice in his but I'm not sure if he means Buzz Aldrin's VA or if his ending was different (with everyone being robotmen)
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Hey, hang on a second, how would there possibly be kids and old people if all life in the universe is turned into robots?
 
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