Shepard teleported them with his/her will.From Jessica Merizan twitter (Bioware employee)
USER: Just finished ME3. I didn't know my squadmates could teleport . . . strange, innit?
JM: Not teleporting - can't explain now though to keep my feed spoiler free
USER: Can you give us some glimmer of hope so I can at least get some sleep tonight?
JM: We should both go to sleep with some hope
USER: So it's been 3 games and Shep has never been indoctrinated? Or are we missing something?
JM: What do you think?
USER: Because the relays were destroyed I either a: Destroyed all life quickly or b: sentenced them to extinction.
JM: Are you absolutely sure about that?
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no just the last ten minutes, and the dream sequences and maybe the kid, yes the reapers.
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ProtoCents
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Does anyone know the requirement for persuading TIM to shoot himself? I'm getting conflicting reports of EMS vs past dialogue choices.
Have anybody consider the angle that as neat as the indoctrination theory is, BioWare/EA can't use it?
Indoctrination is basically a variation of "it's all a dream'. If EA come out and tell people that this is a fake ending and they are going to sell the real ending as DLC, they might get sued for it?
I am serious asking a question here, can EA get sued for false advertisement?
Indoctrination is basically a variation of "it's all a dream'. If EA come out and tell people that this is a fake ending and they are going to sell the real ending as DLC, they might get sued for it?
I am serious asking a question here, can EA get sued for false advertisement?
FrontalMonk
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no, everything happened until you got zapped by Harbinger running towards the beam. Everything that took place after that was a dream. That's the point that everything moves in slo-mo, you have the infinite ammo pistol, black tendrils of indoctrination, ghostly images, etc. etc. etc.
firehawk12
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All these BioWare employees being coy... what happens in a year when we find out that there is no grand plan with the ending and that the next game really is set either before ME1 or thousands of years after ME3?
EatChildren
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"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see? BioWare will succeed. It is inevitable. DLC is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between fans and BioWare, between consumers and publisher, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire franchise to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die."
dunno, I got him to shoot himself and my Paragon meter was maxed out.
firehawk12
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I choose red space magic.
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I think it's both.. I've gotten high EMS and did full paragon in previous conversations
She has to have some idea of what they're working on though right? Like she would know if they were making DLC or something.
No. Sure, someone could file, but nothing would happen.
But when you read people speculating that the rest of the "ending" is on the Xbox 360 disc already, for example, based on the size of the PC version versus the amount of data on the shipped discs? And then, a DLC launches that unlocks the rest of the content, for a nominal fee? That would be a more legitimate grievance. Still unlikely.
I should go...
EatChildren
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You've been indoctrinated, Derrick.
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Shepard is the new biotic god.
Bioware will be lambasted for years by the people who care about the current ending. Everyone else will probably continue to buy Bioware games.
I was wondering on this as well. There have been a few cases where the ending was slightly added to to for time constraints, but I can't think of anything that didn't HAVE an ending as such.
What about the people who don't have constant internet access? What do they do? (Unless the content is time-locked and not DLC)?
"I want to believe"
Depends on seniority, I think hehe
LightofRohan
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If that's really the case and they just wanted to play off the indoctrination angle and then provide the true ending later for free. Then that would be the most outstanding ending in a game ever. Wow, I hope this is true -- they are playing off our emotions of feeling indoctrinated of the ending, only to uncover our eyes and let us REALLY finish this. I think it is brilliant. As long as it's free... I wouldn't mind paying, but I can't imagine the shit storm of gamers if they charged.
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Famous Amos did because the cookies on the package did not represent the cookies inside accurately... So, it's possible
Karak
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Correct. However community managers are trained in content disimination as well as control of what twitter responses they issue and to whom they respond. For example we would skip particular twitters and so forth when the information was not viable or could not be given out. The twitters of many of these employees began giving out data within 1 hour of themselves. To me that speaks to a company-wide information passdown.
Unless I am understanding their community manager role differently than everyone else. Which I could be.
bigace33
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Thank God, now I'm free to go back and play this game again. It really makes so much sense now, Shep got rocked by the beam, and went through the rest of the sequence in his mind. I knew it was a little too convenient for Anderson and the Illusive man to be present, it would be just a little too ham fisted to be real. When he chooses the destroy sequence despite the other two options seeming a bit more appealing, Shep actually breaks the reapers indoctrination process and wakes up, ready for the real fight and ultimate destruction of the reapers. :^/
WrenchNinja
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How can the rest of this supposed imaginary ending be on the 360 discs and still not be discovered?
FrontalMonk
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I want this so, so badly.
Oh god. I'm starting to believe the indoctrinated theory. It's the eyes, man, the EYES that got me.
Or maybe my believing the indoctrinated theory means that I'M indoctrinated?
We're through the looking glass, people.
Or maybe my believing the indoctrinated theory means that I'M indoctrinated?
We're through the looking glass, people.
It's hilarious that Bioware's lazy writing may give them the ultimate out if they do decide to do something about all this.
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Even the PC version
Anderson and TIM were both hallucinations!
firehawk12
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Stay strong my child, Stay strong. Giving in is NOT the answer.
I feel like an idiot for not seeing it in the first place, imagine how the "The Take Back Mass Effect 3 campaign" people are going to feel.
CharmingCharlie
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Not to mention if you have played Mass Effect 3 then you have to use an Origin account (regardless of which platform you play it on) and since you are using an Origin account you explicitly agreed to waive any rights to sue EA's arse off.
FrontalMonk
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the second I heard about the indoctrination theory, I thought about it for about a minute, and said "yep, sounds about right". then I read a bit more about it and said "yep, sounds about right". now this eyes thing? and bioware being all coy on twitter?
yep, sounds about right.
yep, sounds about right.
I had a full paragon meter and 3000 EMS (no multiplayer), and did not get the last set of paragon/renegade dialogue options, but I shot TIM with the renegade action.
I replayed it after modding my EMS to be 10000, still had max paragon, but yet still could not get the last paragon/renegade dialogue options.
And the funny thing is they'll probably think they're geniuses for figuring it out even though it happened by pure accident. They wrote all of this stuff but didn't intend for it to connect, and only through an all time terrible ending which made the fans dig and piece it together does it actually happen.
This is pretty amazing to watch unfold.
Hah, check out this video for some more griping on the DLC.
It'd be nice if they didn't charge us $10 to change one line in a file.
It'd be nice if they didn't charge us $10 to change one line in a file.
jakershaker
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I would facepalm myself back to when Bioware were good.
Maybe the "other story" the old guy at the end talks about is how Shepard broke free of indoctrination and kicked a lot of ass.
EatChildren
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The Illusive Man did say "Salvation comes with a cost."
1200 BioWare/Microsoft points.
heliosRAzi
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It's like watching someone being indoctrinated
bigace33
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lol it has to be true. The only real presence was the reaper in the form of ventkid. I guess the reaper used whatever image he felt would appeal to shep. Now I'm running into a problem though, what would be the point of Illusive man and Anderson being in sheps mind at that point? Man I don't know what to believe...Bioware is just pure evil for pulling something like this whether it's bad writing or planned. I can't ever remember a game ending that has made me so angry. lol
FrontalMonk
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We know about this...
Also goto youtube and watch the video about Javik not trusting geth
bravo
bigace33
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Bruh, it's probably like 20 people on all of Gaf who actually liked the ending. Good luck with that thread. Even the people who are indifferent said the ending was horrible.
LightofRohan
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My god this ending is so brilliant if this is true! Make us ACTUALLY FEEL indoctrinated and then give us the true vision later on. It was probably initially planned for post credits ect. (which would have been equally amazing) but they needed more time to polish it. I dunno man, this sounds awesome...
I'll believe it... i'll believe it *shakes*
Because it really makes sense with what Casey has been saying and the writers ect. GAH!!!
I'll believe it... i'll believe it *shakes*
Because it really makes sense with what Casey has been saying and the writers ect. GAH!!!
Kasuumi and Zaeed were on disc as well. You need them there in a simplistic form (base mesh ect.) in order to actually use them the entire game, just like fighting games and playing online -- it get's really messy if you try to add it in.
Honestly if there's somehow a true hidden ending, in the core package itself I'll buy into the whole indoctrination thing. If the game actually needs DLC to get the true ending, then yeah I think the devs just took the fan theory and ran with it.
What people are forgetting that this really isn't first time Bioware writing creates contradictions and situations that are just out there.
It's amazing how much better Persona 4 handled hidden endings better.
Um... no? I mean on what possible grounds could that actually work? You're buying a functional product - we don't yet live in a world where people can sue over plotlines.
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