Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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heliosRAzi
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Why do people want this to be the Indoctrinated ending? It's just as bad as "it was all a dream."
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Denial man, denial.
You guys are insane.
Seriously. A hidden ending? From Bioware? When is the last time that someone did that.
No way they would taken such a risk. They ran out of time, had to hastily throw something together and that's what we got.
It's also sad but amazing, that fans are substituting their own reality to the one created by Bioware.
Denial is a scary thing.
Seriously. A hidden ending? From Bioware? When is the last time that someone did that.
No way they would taken such a risk. They ran out of time, had to hastily throw something together and that's what we got.
It's also sad but amazing, that fans are substituting their own reality to the one created by Bioware.
Denial is a scary thing.
If the indoctrination ending is true, it'll likely mean that the rumors of a DLC true ending are also true.
Lifejumper
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The track that plays before everything goes to ''shit'' :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzdKil3j5jw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzdKil3j5jw&feature=related
FrontalMonk
Banned
it's not even that people necessarily need this to be Indoctrinated ending. It's simply that the way the ending sequence all goes together, the indoctrination theory is simply the most reasonable interpretation of the events. It makes far less sense to take the events at face value.
Fallout 3?
I mean it's always a possibility.
For me the real ending sequence is when you talk to all your squadmates between the fights on London, it was pretty moving I think.
no it's a very clever misdirect if its true, probably tops Raiden in MGS2.
EatChildren
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Sir Garbageman
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Fallout 3 and POP 2008 say Hi.
Blue Ninja
Member
You apparently need to use the Paragon/Renegade option every time you meet him in ME3. So during Mars, during Thessia (I think) and during the assault on his base.
Oh, and repost: my alternate ending cut. Because fuck Vent Kid.
Escape Goat
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At least with indoctrination you can go back into the game and pick out clues that were there in the beginning. Its deconstructing a mystery by examining all the events that led to the truth. "It was a dream" just is lazy because dreams dont have to follow any logic.
I also got reminded of this movie.
The main character is led to believe his neighbor is a domestic terrorist. In teh climax, our hero races to the FBI parking garage to diffuse the bomb. He drives his car through the barriers and past cops. Turns out the bomb was in HIS car. Kablooey. Fade to black.
EmCeeGramr
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Gabe and Tycho like the ending (SHOCKER) but respect the idea that people can hate it:
That said, his whole "if you got the worst ending" or "haven't read a lot of science fiction" conditions aren't quite true, and his interpretation of the Stargazer is quite different than how most people did; The Stargazer speaks in very hypothetical terms about space travel and alien life, as though even he's not quite sure.
That said, his whole "if you got the worst ending" or "haven't read a lot of science fiction" conditions aren't quite true, and his interpretation of the Stargazer is quite different than how most people did; The Stargazer speaks in very hypothetical terms about space travel and alien life, as though even he's not quite sure.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The problem is, in that picture, everyone dies.Non-believer: "This isn't your thread. What are you doing here?"
Believer: "The forum thought you could use some help on this one."
Non-believer: "I wasn't expecting to find conspiracies here. The situation is bad."
Believer: "Don't worry. I've got it under control."
Anything that lets them come up with a better ending than what we got, I'm all in.
Yep happened to me in the second dream sequence just before I got to the edge of the map and got the auto turn around clip. Didn't pay it any mind at the time, but now..
DLC "The Final Episode"
Replaces the post credits scene with a new cinematic. Camera zooms out of the window of a toy Normandy being played with by a child version of the player created Shepard. As the screen fades to black you hear his father say: "I don't understand this autism thing, Pop. Here's my son/daughter. I talk to him/her. I don't even know if he/she can hear me, because he/she sits there, all day long, in his/her own world, staring at that toy. What's he/she thinking about?"
Replaces the post credits scene with a new cinematic. Camera zooms out of the window of a toy Normandy being played with by a child version of the player created Shepard. As the screen fades to black you hear his father say: "I don't understand this autism thing, Pop. Here's my son/daughter. I talk to him/her. I don't even know if he/she can hear me, because he/she sits there, all day long, in his/her own world, staring at that toy. What's he/she thinking about?"
bigace33
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Ok this is getting interesting. lol this reminds me of GTASA and the supposed bigfoot sightings in the country side.
That's not even close. What Broken Steel does was extremly simple. It allowed you to send a companion into the irradiated vault. It's so simple that it must have been a 2 min fix from Bethesda. The bulk of the work was the "meat" of the DLC. All the content coming after the modified ending.
This is totally different. The amount of work required would be staggering. Voice-actors, animations, models. If you want a significantly different ending, it's more than changing the completion trigger like in F3.
So yeah, keep on dreaming, keep on creating that incredible alternate fan-fiction. The endings are bad, Bioware ran out of time, deal with it.
Not the same thing at all. Raiden was real. They simply didn't reveal him during trailers and switched his model with Solid Snake everywhere in previews. Raiden is not the results of some dream. The game presents what actually happens in the story.
Sorry guys but you really saw some magical kid god that asked you to make an outrageous decision. Fortunately, the two people at the end says the story is old and probably inaccurate in some ways so Bioware can repair that mess eventually.
I think that there are certainly ideas in the ending which are true to classic scifi stories. But the biggest problem with how Mass Effect 3 does anything is in the tone, the communication, and the actual writing. Those are the parts where they fall short, and not simply because they destroyed the Mass Relays. The over-simplification of the solution to the entire series in the conclusive moments by making it 3 stupid Bioware style choices is really... dumb.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I just mean that Kojima lead everyone to believe one thing, with all the trailers and the demo and it turned out to be something else thats all.
I like your cut, but you do use the whole Earth getting torched by the wave thing. I understand what you're getting at, but if you know what's supposed to be, it's not really super happy.
Still the best fan ending I've seen yet (and the one most close to my own preferred way of ending it).
heliosRAzi
Banned
Do you think Bioware is capable of that? I say all of the evidence points to Bioware being lazy and hack writers. Missing squadmates at the end? Bioware being lazy. Joker racing a flavor blast? Bioware being dumb. Internal inconsistencies? Come on, son. You know the drill.
And it doesn't solve shit either. So Shep has been indoctrinated. He is still on Earth taking a nap while everyone else dies. Good job.
I've read about that Javik discussion about the Geth, but after finally watching it, I'm annoyed as shit that it isn't in the game as a major plot point. Definitely adds so much to the overall story and the idea of synthetic order vs organic chaos. The point about them knowing their purpose, while we spend our life looking for ours, etc.
I like his interpretation of species of the army going at war against each other on Earth.It would be pretty cool: Fallout Effect.
Yep. The basic underlying assumption in any of these Indoctrination, Squall is Dead, etc. theories is this: the writers are supremely competent, the writing was perfectly consistent, and everything that happened did so for a reason.
US courts do this for interpreting statutes, but the courts recognize it's so much fiction.
I think it would be better than it just being a dream, because at least indoctrination makes sense in the Mass Effect universe, and how they went about doing it was a creative way of tricking players into choosing submitting to the Reapers, but I think they could have also handled it better.
I think what they should have done, is make it if Shepard gave in to the indoctrination by choosing Control of Synthesis, then Earth will only be won with a very high EMS and results in extreme casualties (including many squad members from throughout the trilogy).
If Shepard chose Destroy, Shepard wakes up and limps to the Crucible to stop the Reapers, and a lower EMS is needed to save Earth, but the higher it is, the lower the casualty count. Maybe have Shepard dies unless he/she has a LI from ME1, or something.
Cue epilogue.
Christ, why couldn't Bioware have done that sooner.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The problem is, in that picture, everyone dies.
Remaining non-believers will pick the red/blue dialogue option and purge the earth of indoctrinated conspiracy theorists once and for all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That's the real sticker. I just don't believe in the people who work there any more.
They'll save us all!Remaining non-believers will pick the red/blue dialogue option and purge the earth of indoctrinated conspiracy theorists once and for all.
FrontalMonk
Banned
I would almost agree with you except for the coyness of the bioware twitters and the timing of the PAX East panel. It really feels like they anticipated this and have been working on this ace in the hole.
you can't take my dreams from me
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I feel like this is a Lost thread now. lolI would almost agree with you except for the coyness of the bioware twitters and the timing of the PAX East panel. It really feels like they anticipated this and have been working on this ace in the hole.
you can't take my dreams from me
PREPARE FOR DISAPPOINTMENT AND MP DLC!I would almost agree with you except for the coyness of the bioware twitters and the timing of the PAX East panel. It really feels like they anticipated this and have been working on this ace in the hole.
you can't take my dreams from me
I don't disagree but in this case it's not that much of a stretch, it would just be a twist ending, where the ending was left off alltogether. I will be more impressed with the balls it would have taken to do this if it is true.
I'd bet my life savings that Bioware didn't actually intend the ending to be thought of as indoctrination.
And now that they've seen the outcry they'll claim that it actually was indoctrination which gives them a good enough reason to fool the poor souls in denial that will end up buying their DLC ending.
And now that they've seen the outcry they'll claim that it actually was indoctrination which gives them a good enough reason to fool the poor souls in denial that will end up buying their DLC ending.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Remaining non-believers will pick the red/blue dialogue option and purge the earth of indoctrinated conspiracy theorists once and for all.
Seeing this (Saren dies, but is then taken over by Sovereign), makes me think: Shepard's dead: Harbinger's taking over his/her body.
ME3-2: KILL SHEPARD
heliosRAzi
Banned
Again, do you seriously think that Bioware is capable of doing this? Given Tali's stock photo and Joker's sudden urge to go relay jumping (Ride the Flavor Wave! with your choice of lime, cherry, or blue raspberry!), the ending just screams laziness.
In the end, the indoctrination theory is just a "it's all a dream" theory. It's not necessarily a bad thing; Inception and Total Recall handle it well, mostly because those two films are built around the questioning of reality. In Mass Effect, it's there, but it's not really prominent.
Still, even if it were true, with the prevailing theory that everything after the red beam is a dream, Shep's still on Earth taking a nap (or dead) while everyone is dying around him. He failed.
Blue Ninja
Member
Yeah, it's supposed to be Earth burning in the original context. But out of context, you don't really see it destroying Earth, so you can interpret it as just the wave moving across killing Reapers. So I used it like that.
I also avoided showing the relay blowing up for the same reason. In my cut, it doesn't. The shockwaves you see are the spreading of the 'kill signal'.
what
no it doesnt
you can walk in yourself and
still be rescued and go on and play the new end game
fuck you talking about, they literally changed the ending completely from
one of having to sacrifice yourself to some totally different shit
Perception is reality. Even if it's all bullshit(which it probably is) EA will smell the money and kick the writers' asses hard enough for them to get over their egos and claim that it was part of the plan all along.
Bioware will be heralded as the post-modern grandmasters of gaming for breaching the barrier between the player and the character, the world will change forever.
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