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[bigace33]

Kai Leng was pretty cool to me. I didn't know much about him but it was cool to have an anti Shepard boss character. I was actually frustrated with that dude especially after he killed Thane and spoiled my mission on Thessia. It was so fulfilling to gut that guy after all that.

 

[Duki]

Ehhh, I didn't really enjoy button mashing for ten minutes while everyone gnashed their teeth and wailed in misery to sad music in the cutscenes interspersed in the scene.

It was just trying really hard to force drama it just made it all the more difficult to swallow on top of the abysmal gaming element it was pushing.

Also, wth was up with the illusive man at the end anyway? Why did he suddenly have power to control Shepard and Anderson's bodies? I thought the only way the reapers could control a being's body was through indoctrination, so how was the IM doing this?

well you see tim had reaper implants put into him so he could control his own reaper implanted cerberus troops

which does exactly fucking nothing to explain why he could control shepard and anderson

bioware writing bro

 

[Karl2177]

Kai Leng was pretty cool to me. I didn't know much about him but it was cool to have an anti Shepard boss character. I was actually frustrated with that dude especially after he killed Thane and spoiled my mission on Thessia. It was so fulfilling to gut that guy after all that.

I'm in the same boat as you. I would have loved to have him fleshed out a bit more since I didn't read the books. It also would have been nice to have him introduced in ME2 as a Cerberus operative, instead of halfway through the third game.

 

[hullostranger]

Every time I see Kai Leng I think about LumpOfCole's comic. And that takes all dramatic tension out of the scene.

"Word, Illusive Brah."

I remember reading the cereal bit in the comic and losing it. Great stuff.

That aside, I genuinely hated this asshole..more so than Casper(!). They tried so hard to make him seem like a badass instead of the ponse he turns out to be in the game. Renegading his ass at the end felt good...

 

[EmCeeGramr]

he's a space ninja named "kai leng" who wields a katana and has cyborg eyes and a ponytail and black cyber armor, who keeps acting smug even after you beat his clown face in

he is The Anime and a 13 year old's idea of a "badass" character

 

[bigace33]

Ehhh, I didn't really enjoy button mashing for ten minutes while everyone gnashed their teeth and wailed in misery to sad music in the cutscenes interspersed in the scene.

It was just trying really hard to force drama it just made it all the more difficult to swallow on top of the abysmal gaming element it was pushing.

Also, wth was up with the illusive man at the end anyway? Why did he suddenly have power to control Shepard and Anderson's bodies? I thought the only way the reapers could control a being's body was through indoctrination, so how was the IM doing this?

To me, that was one of the scenes that made me see Snake as the true soldier and hero that he really is. That guy went through hell to fulfill his mission. Like some kind of video game Jack Bauer. The microwave scene was one of the scenes that finally made me understand why people had so much respect for snake. That final fist fight with him and Revolver was awesome to me. An Illusive man, weakened Shepard ending fist fight would have been awesome. Shep fighting with everything he had left until he finally drops TIM with a devastating right hook.

 

[hateradio]

Someone posted this a few pages back I just got done reading it. Fuck me if I'll remember where his post was to quote it, so I'll just repost it:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...dex/10022779/1

It's very good.

I had never heard of the Diablous ex machina. I didn't see how the Catalyst was a DEM, but this at least makes a bit more sense because of the Downer Ending. :lol

Ehhh, I didn't really enjoy button mashing for ten minutes while everyone gnashed their teeth and wailed in misery to sad music in the cutscenes interspersed in the scene.

It was just trying really hard to force drama it just made it all the more difficult to swallow on top of the abysmal gaming element it was pushing.

Also, wth was up with the illusive man at the end anyway? Why did he suddenly have power to control Shepard and Anderson's bodies? I thought the only way the reapers could control a being's body was through indoctrination, so how was the IM doing this?

Was it really that long? I can't remember it anymore.

He was trying to indoctrinate them, but eh. I don't want to speculate.

 

[Patryn]

he's a space ninja named "kai leng" who wields a katana and has cyborg eyes and a ponytail and black cyber armor, who keeps acting smug even after you beat his clown face in

he is The Anime and a 13 year old's idea of a "badass" character

That's my major problem. He's the epitome of a Poochie - a character you'd end up with after leading a focus testing group on creating a "badass" antagonist.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

he's a space ninja named "kai leng" who wields a katana and has cyborg eyes and a ponytail and black cyber armor, who keeps acting smug even after you beat his clown face in

he is The Anime and a 13 year old's idea of a "badass" character

Glad we agree on that.

 

[Rapstah]

There was something about the game's graphics that gave off that early 2000s vibe where everyone had way too high res textures and way too high-poly models in engines that were really too old to actually support them, something you could see in the environments. Maybe the animations added to that impression.

EDIT: Uh, yeah, how did the Illusive Man control Anderson? Anderson shouldn't have any Cerberus or Reaper tech inside himself and there's no way he was indoctrinated in TIM's way in like two minutes.

 

[Dave1988]

I'm in the same boat as you. I would have loved to have him fleshed out a bit more since I didn't read the books. It also would have been nice to have him introduced in ME2 as a Cerberus operative, instead of halfway through the third game.

Here's everything you'll ever need to know about the Cereal Killer.

 

[kurahador]

Renegading his ass at the end felt good...

yeah, that was definitely one of the most badass renegade response from shepard.

oh yeah, is it possible to keep thane alive?

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

yeah, that was definitely one of the most badass renegade response from shepard.

oh yeah, is it possible to keep thane alive?

Nope.

 

[Patryn]

yeah, that was definitely one of the most badass renegade response from shepard.

oh yeah, is it possible to keep thane alive?

No. Both he and Mordin die no matter what.

 

[inky]

Someone posted this a few pages back I just got done reading it. Fuck me if I'll remember where his post was to quote it, so I'll just repost it:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10022779/1

It's very good.

Very succinct and on point. I disagree with there not being a Deus ex Machina device in there, but whatevs, he says a lot of right things.

he's a space ninja named "kai leng" who wields a katana and has cyborg eyes and a ponytail and black cyber armor, who keeps acting smug even after you beat his clown face in

he is The Anime and a 13 year old's idea of a "badass" character

True dat. He is no more than a Phantom enemy type with a couple of lines of dialogue and some scenes in which he "outsmarts you". He was only there to be killed as a boss fight and he fulfilled his role as expected, so whatever.

 

[Zeliard]

Kai Leng came completely out of nowhere and was never really explained. To anyone who never read the outside material, like me, his appearance was so nonsensical.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

No. Both he and Mordin die no matter what.

Mordin lives if Eve dies and Wreav is the Urdnot leader.

 

[Arjen]

kai leng was a great character in retribution, shame they messed him up in deception.

 

[Patryn]

Kai Leng came completely out of nowhere and was never really explained. To anyone who never read the outside material, like me, his appearance was so nonsensical.

The worst part is that everyone's like "Oh, Kai Leng? Yeah I totally know that guy!"

 

[shiroryu]

he's a space ninja named "kai leng" who wields a katana and has cyborg eyes and a ponytail and black cyber armor, who keeps acting smug even after you beat his clown face in

he is The Anime and a 13 year old's idea of a "badass" character

Wonder if he has a middle name. Melvin springs to mind. Kai Melvin Leng.

 

[Zerokku]

Kai Leng reminds me of what Raiden's retarded cyborg brother would be like.

Exactly. Not knowing anything about the character, not having seen any pictures/footage of him, I sat there and said "What the fuck is Raiden doing in Mass Effect?" when I saw him for the first time.

 

[enzo_gt]

Kai Leng was Nightwing meets Raiden. Nothing more, nothing less. Most obvious influences/references in the entire franchise.

 

[Riggs]

Glad this thread is still going strong , hold the mother fuckin line guys

 

[Dacon]

I had never heard of the Diablous ex machina. I didn't see how the Catalyst was a DEM, but this at least makes a bit more sense because of the Downer Ending. :lol


Was it really that long? I can't remember it anymore.

He was trying to indoctrinate them, but eh. I don't want to speculate.

It's about ten if I remember.

I just don't get it, how did he do that shit, even if he was "indoctrinating" them it just doesn't make sense.

If the reapers could just take control of people entirely, why even bother with the war.

Oh and how the hell did Anderson make it onto the Citadel anyway? He was running along with Shepard and then he disappeared like the others.

Kai Leng came completely out of nowhere and was never really explained. To anyone who never read the outside material, like me, his appearance was so nonsensical.

Eh, not really. In the context of the game he makes perfect sense. Cerberus henchman with an inferiority complex.

 

[Jake Tower]

Here's everything you'll ever need to know about the Cereal Killer.

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkjnCOxuAsY&list=LLvxtQENDZE_E6H5niIACfuA&index=15&feature=plpp_video

 

[hullostranger]

@bigace33 / @Karl2177

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462110

This thread should promptly answer any and all questions about how awesome KL is!

 

[Apophenia Overload]

Am I the only one who feels pity for Bioware for this political shitstorm now?

 

[pakkit]

Fuck Kai Leng. Super unnecessary enemy, especially since Harbinger was around and the final boss fight with him was soo good.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Ehhh, I didn't really enjoy button mashing for ten minutes while everyone gnashed their teeth and wailed in misery to sad music in the cutscenes interspersed in the scene.

It was just trying really hard to force drama it just made it all the more difficult to swallow on top of the abysmal gaming element it was pushing.

Also, wth was up with the illusive man at the end anyway? Why did he suddenly have power to control Shepard and Anderson's bodies? I thought the only way the reapers could control a being's body was through indoctrination, so how was the IM doing this?

Didnt they already reveal that cereberus found ways to indoctrinate people but they still need lots of work to do so on a reaper.

 

[Riggs]

Am I the only one who feels pity for Bioware for this political shitstorm now?

Yep.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

the only way kai leng could be an even more obnoxious waste of air and flesh is if he had a tragic backstory and could use dark energy chi to turn into super kai leng before riding a motorcycle and hanging out with sonic the hedgehog

 

[Zeliard]

Eh, not really. In the context of the game he makes perfect sense. Cerberus henchman with an inferiority complex.

Kai Leng has no build-up in-game, though. He's immediately portrayed as some critical character but you're like "wait, who the fuck is that again?"

 

[Dresden]

Am I the only one who feels pity for Bioware for this political shitstorm now?

Not really. This has been coming for a while now. Keep treating your fanbase like shit and who knows, maybe this happens. The camel broke his back.

 

[Jake Tower]

Kai Leng came completely out of nowhere and was never really explained. To anyone who never read the outside material, like me, his appearance was so nonsensical.

Thankfully, while I hadn't read Deception, LumpOfCole's summary gave me what I needed to put him in context.

KAI LEAP!

 

[EatChildren]

Someone posted this a few pages back I just got done reading it. Fuck me if I'll remember where his post was to quote it, so I'll just repost it:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10022779/1

It's very good.

Very spot on.

 

[Confidence Man]

Cerberus should have made a clone of shepard instead and then you would fight DARK SHEPARD.

 

[Escape Goat]

But he killed Thane so fuck him.

Kai Lang saved Thane from a long, painful and agonizing deah at the hands of his space AIDS.

 

[Riggs]

Liara's character model looks damn good in this game. I like this pic:

Don't mention anything about her, uh, somewhat angular face in the above pic. She gets testy.

Say what you want about Bioware, and I'm plenty cynical about them in general, but they have some very talented artists working on the Mass Effect series.

Kai Leng looked pretty awesome too:

But he killed Thane so fuck him.

Agreed. To bad they don't have more talented writers.

 

[shiroryu]

Man this thread is approaching Spoiler Thread 2 at light speed.

Glad I decided to read this thread first before buying ME3.

Wonder if Chinner regrets his decision to not do the OT

 

[Dresden]

Cerberus should have made a clone of shepard instead and then you would fight DARK SHEPARD.

Shep should've been a clone, for real

then he could find out he's a clone and the real body was impossible to bring back to life

then he finds a tank of clones

who all open their eyes

and stare at him

 

[hateradio]

Am I the only one who feels pity for Bioware for this political shitstorm now?

They wanted speculation. They got it.

Shep should've been a clone, for real

then he could find out he's a clone and the real body was impossible to bring back to life

then he finds a tank of clones

who all open their eyes

and stare at him

That's how I wanted MGS2 to be. But then all we got were conspiracy theories and Raiden.

 

[firehawk12]

Kai Leng came completely out of nowhere and was never really explained. To anyone who never read the outside material, like me, his appearance was so nonsensical.

He's the Darth Maul of Mass Effect. You have to read the books to find out about him.

Shep should've been a clone, for real

then he could find out he's a clone and the real body was impossible to bring back to life

then he finds a tank of clones

who all open their eyes

and stare at him

Hey, that's the end of one of those

Spoiler

Resident Evil

movies...

 

[EmCeeGramr]

i mean seriously comb your hair you dumb asshole

it's gonna get in the way of your stupid looking robot goggles

 

[Dacon]

Didnt they already reveal that cereberus found ways to indoctrinate people but they still need lots of work to do so on a reaper.

No. They found a way to control reaper forces, they just needed a way to apply this on Reapers themselves. The soldiers all had implants that were used to control them.

 

[onlyindreams]

Man this thread is approaching OT2 at light speed.

Glad I decided to read this thread first before buying ME3.

Wonder if Chinner regrets his decision to not do the OT

I'm glad I decided to read this thread before playing ME2. I just started it when ME3 came out last week. Now I don't even care.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Not really. This has been coming for a while now. Keep treating your fanbase like shit and who knows, maybe this happens. The camel broke his back.

^ pretty much my take on it, this has been coming for a while and the ME 3 endings are just the Catalyst. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good people at Bioware, a lot of hard workers that care about their products. However Bioware as a whole really has sod all reputation left now after this.

 

[Apophenia Overload]

the only way kai leng could be an even more obnoxious waste of air and flesh is if he had a tragic backstory and could use dark energy chi to turn into super kai leng before riding a motorcycle and hanging out with sonic the hedgehog

Make that Shadow the hedgehog

 

[inky]

Am I the only one who feels pity for Bioware for this political shitstorm now?

You probably are and shouldn't be. First, because I don't think the ending backlash is that big of a deal (and shouldn't be for EA) other than it being a case study of how not to end your trilogy for future reference, and second because there is no reason to feel pity for Bioware about anything. Pity comes when you feel they are undeserving of whatever backlash they get, but Bioware has crafted a path in which they are completely deserving of whatever they get, regardless of how you feel about them. They went looking for controversy at the expense of their game and they got it. It might work out better int he end for them and it will only piss off the people that were paying attention.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

i wish chinner did the me3 ot so we could have used my banner:

 

[Carbonox]

I didn't mind Kai Leng at all. Was pretty nice to have an over-the-top character like him 'stalking' me and my crew. I did genuinely want to kill him for what he did to Thane though, so I appreciate an event like that instigating genuine hatred in me, haha.

However, I couldn't take him seriously because of the cereal comic.