Disheveled_Zen
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You're breaking free! Keep fighting!
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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You're breaking free! Keep fighting!
Since you're obviously not getting why most people here have serious problems with the ending, I think I'll just not take you seriously.
Most of us have no problem with the grimdark ending, the problem is with the fact that most of it makes no sense at all and totally ruins everything that came before.
So half of your points are not that the ending is good, just that you don't care it is bad because it has t be some way. And your response to criticism is haters gonna hate... OK.
The "where's everyone at after the events concluded" part? I think that was what she was talking about, sadly. The ending to that series is convoluted, and kinda comes out of nowhere as well (you know, the whole wand, cloak and stone part). But in a world of magic most of it makes sense and were things previously established in the fiction, almost since the beginning.
Tokubetsu
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This. I'm not asking for a happy ending. I'm ask for an ending that makes sense, and doesn't play out like someone went to/consulted every pretentious, philosophical and religiously themed ending trope on TVTropes and wrote it in three minutes.
Not to derail the thread, but she is talking about the final battle, and more specifically that she knew what characters were going to die there well before that book was written. She mapped out how the saga would unfold, even though she dropped the ball on a lot of the detail. It still made for a grand story with some damn closure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5119836.stm
Wickerbasket
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Well I respect that a lot more than the LOST style of series planning.
Fixed.
Seriously? You really think everyone in here wants a happy ending? You really have no idea what the criticisms have been, do you? I told you earlier you could educate yourself by researching the complaints through a well-summarized article, but you declined, stating that you'd rather enjoy than educate yourself. And now you fallaciously refer to some straw man many people haven't been representing at all.
Define "entertain". And after defining that particular concept, please think of all the games who do not meet these criteria. Remember that your definition should not too broad, otherwise it fails as a definition. And after that, see if your definition is applicable to the ending of Mass Effect 3 and if it "entertains".
My estimation is that your definition of "entertain" is incredibly vague and will completely fail to serve any analytical usefulness.
You are basically spouting the most fallacious counter-argument one could come up with. You are not saying we are incorrect, but that we should throw away our standards of aesthetics, because "lol, it's just X."
That's because you are wrong.
There is nothing good about the endings except the music. That's pretty much a fact.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
They got to the ending, and now they're also spending hours talking about it. Lots of entertainment right there.
More like, those complaints are so nitpicky that they're hardly worth considering.
Oh, you said it in an authoritative manner. It must be true!
Tokubetsu
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How is it nitpicky that all undertakings of Shepard in all three games are now rendered obsolete? The ending wasn't any solution, not even a bad one, it is a fairly "good" one, but it does not take any of Shepards actions into account at all.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
I've seen the complaints, most of them are trivial nitpicks and some aspects some people didn't like.
A lot of whining, essentially.
The whole "my choices didn't matter" rant is particularly funny.
Jake Tower
Banned
Anything coherent with the narrative and themes that preceded the ending would be better; however, it is a big ole strawman to say most of us want a sunshine and rainbows ending.
I was perfectly prepared for a sort of pyrrhic victory in the end: Shepard dead, the mass relays destroyed, galactic civilization in shambles, but the Reapers defeated, the cycle broken, and the future free to become something new, even if that future was unknown and scary to contemplate. All presented in a way that gives a character-consistent way to achieve it without a deus ex machina and a vague epilogue.
The beats are there for this ending, but it's obfuscated by Space Casper, Space Magic, Normandy crashed on Lost, my Sweet, end choices that are functionally the same with different colors, etc.
There have been several better endgame sequences and endings given in this thread; many of them resulting in dark times for the galaxy but in ways that flow logically from how the story has been built through three games. The ending we have now is simply nonsensical.
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Deleted member 81567
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How was the Harry Potter ending shit?
I wonder if you can provide a detailed explanation as to why the ending is good.
Should be no problem, right? I mean there's well detailed and legitimate articles out there as to why the ending is a piece of shit so surely the same could be done arguing for the ending being good.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Are those my three choices? Which one is red?
blerp is green
derp is blue
herp ends with you breathing in the rubble
because it suxxors
derp is blue
herp ends with you breathing in the rubble
because it suxxors
EmCeeGramr
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uh this ending owns because of hoyay the mary sue fridge logic nightmare fuel lollerskates
Metroid-Squadron
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The final choice is just like any other choices presented before, don't see why people expected any different.
The final state of the story does change completely depending on the choices you made. It's just that it's not spoon-fed in an epilogue. Which of course would have been impossible with the number of variables going on.
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Deleted member 81567
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ELABORATE.
indigo-cyclops
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At least there is comfort knowing you have no clue what the arguments are, and why they've been posed. Helps heighten the entertainment value of your posts in here.
timetokill
Banned
Honestly, this ending is a lot like the Bioshock ending for me. They're both terrible for the same reason -- they spend a bunch of time establishing a premise and making a commentary on player choice, only to say "fuck player choice" at the end.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Of course it would have been possible wtf.
Jake Tower
Banned
That actually kinda fits Bioshock, though.
Except it doesn't.
Which complaints? You haven't actually read any of the bulk of them, just the index for that google doc.
Oh I see, you are one of the types that GOT the ending, and we wanted everything spelled out for us because we are dumb people who can only appreciate happy endings, gotcha.
Bioshock's was easier to forgive though because 1. it really WAS a game that got me griped more for gameplay than story (or equally at least), representing the variety I think FPS games should've approached rather than this homogenized crap, and 2. Didn't spend 4 years with a richly developed universe. Hell, it was about half the length of a single installment, so even the worst ending won't sting as bad as a somewhat mediocre ending for something like ME3.
It does not change at all. Maybe you really need to be invested into the franchise to be upset. I can see why one would be happy ignoring pretty much every story there is.
Plus this is the final game of a massive franchise, at least to me. They should have gone out all crazy and make endings worthy of my Shepard. No matter if he dies, lives, screws the galaxy, saves the galaxy, sacrifices his friends, sacrifices him/herself - just do something.
The ending is bad by any means, even video game standards. Anyone who has taken a basic college creative writing class could identify how bad the writing was for the ending.
That's the a running thread and commentary throughout Bioshock, e.g. "would you kindly...". It fits the theme.
In ME3 "fuck player choice" is the (relatively) antithesis to the point of the series, i.e. choice. (Although I would argue there is a severe mishandling of that particular aspect in all 3 games)
Jake Tower
Banned
How does one single choice in the past three games affect the three 'choices' and outcomes offered by Space Casper?
Excellent, someone else in the topic that thinks for some reason the drama is because we didn't get ending that was all sunshine and roses.
Talk about missing the point.
timetokill
Banned
It would have worked if the game ended right after
killing Ryan
Basically, their premise is: "Players just do what they're told, they think that they have agency but ultimately they're slaves to someone else's whims."
They then follow that up with, "Well, it's not like we have any better ideas, so fuck it! LOL"
Mass Effect is all, "meaningful player choice is amazing! The choices you make have long-lasting repercussions, you can truly make this character YOUR Shepard!"
Followed by: "Man, making player choice meaningful is really fucking expensive, so fuck it! Let's just give 'em one ending with different colors. None of the shit they did before matters."
It fits the theme up until the twist. After that point it's just evidence that they can point out the problem, but they don't have any solutions. They just give up on their own premise.
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Deleted member 81567
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I honestly don't even want a revised ending anymore. I just want Walters, and anyone else involved, fired.
Then prove it otherwise. There have been many points to why it doesn't matter.
So where does my alliance between the geth and the quarians fit in the ending?
No.
They even cheapened out on the "one ending". The least they could have done was make a more impressive final cutscene if it was essentially going be used for three palette swaps.
elrechazado
Banned
I'm just indifferent to anything they do at this point, other than the assurance that I won't be buying any bioware games ever again. but I had already kind of decided that after DA2. This confirmed it.
ME1 still my favorite game of the last 10 years.
They don't. Nothing matters that you've done previously matters in the final moments on the citadel.
Which is duuuuuumb.
Although the controversy is free press, the shitty user reviews on Metacritic and Amazon and the brand harm are definitely costing Bioware and EA money. And the bottomline is all that matters to the them.
So in that regard I can see the people responsible getting a proper scolding at the minimum. I hope Walters and whoever are responsible for this mess are relegated to a minor role or at the least learn from such huge incompetence.
Answer: Mac Walters.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
has bioware fixed the ending yet
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Deleted member 81567
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Saying you won't buy a Bioware game again is kind of unfair though. They do have talent and 90% of Mass Effect 3 proves that. Just get rid of the unworthy.
I think I'll be content if they just don't try this again. It wasn't an out and out failure, but clearly it's best to focus on choices within a single game. May want to take a Zelda-esque approach to continuity too for any series, then they can just blow off choices between installments with ease.
I think it's fair to take a "wait and see" approach however. Between this and DA2 (and Sonic Chronicles, but that IP's somewhat poisonous anyway) I don't see it being a good idea to blindly jump on Bioware games day 1 anymore.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
So picking the Geth and letting the quarians be wiped out is of absolutely no consequence to the galaxy. Right...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Psychoward
Banned
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I've been thinking on it, and Bioware has massive potential on their hands to fix the disenfranchised old-school rpg crowd that is their roots.
If they can pull off a majority-wise accepted ending DLC, that'll cause huge waves towards getting people to look past DA2 and take a chance on DA3. Not everyone, but their hardcore fans who are pissed at ME3, at least.
And if they don't fix the ending, they've lost a lot of faith from their most faithful fans.
We're not saying that it doesn't. We're saying it's made irrelevant by the last 5 minutes of the game and the 3 color scheme choices.
Put it this way. What about the ending made you feel that is was a successful ending to a massive trilogy based on player choice and previous plot threads in the ME universe? (disregarding the "the whole game is the ending" argument, because that's just stupid)
If they can pull off a majority-wise accepted ending DLC, that'll cause huge waves towards getting people to look past DA2 and take a chance on DA3. Not everyone, but their hardcore fans who are pissed at ME3, at least.
And if they don't fix the ending, they've lost a lot of faith from their most faithful fans.
We're not saying that it doesn't. We're saying it's made irrelevant by the last 5 minutes of the game and the 3 color scheme choices.
Put it this way. What about the ending made you feel that is was a successful ending to a massive trilogy based on player choice and previous plot threads in the ME universe? (disregarding the "the whole game is the ending" argument, because that's just stupid)
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