I'm guessing its more like, whatever Shepard picked, everything turned out alright.
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I'm guessing its more like, whatever Shepard picked, everything turned out alright.
BannedEpisode
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As sorry and disgusting as that ending was, it has potential to be brilliant if they explain it to be the indoctrination process by the Reapers. All of the choices were tough and had drawbacks, with the destruction choice being the worst of the three (from ventboy's point of view.) I'm desperately grasping at something here, I need this ending to make sense before I start to actually hate ME3.
Well I had a ton of resources and after it was all done it flashed to a quick scene of Shepard (A burnt torso with an N7 dogtag) taking a gasping breath.
As far as I know only destruction gets that.
Zomba13
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I'd have preferred that. Very much so.
That's my point! If 10 minutes is able to ruin 90+ hours of decent sci-fi space opera, then I would strongly recommend to simply ignore those 10 minutes of pure shit. Because they do not make sense and ruin what you otherwise considered to be enjoyable, personal experiences. I don't think Bioware is worthy of being analyzed and thought of as these infallible artists who know what they are doing, when evidence points to that they are basically making shit up as they go.
Therefore, we shouldn't judge Mass Effect 3 holistically, but only the components of what were congruous to the experiences we had in ME1+ME2. Space Ghost Boy does not exist.
firehawk12
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Giving it a few days, the game really should have just ended with Anderson and Shepard dying on the Citadel looking at Earth. Bonus points for a "10 years later" epilogue with some of the crew members standing over Shepard's grave or something.
Karak
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As I said elsewhere. There is no reason to show Shepard alive...none...unless there is a reason. Which sums it up nicely. Time, money, resources had to be spent even for that couple second scene. Something is up.
Unless the Shepard breathing is actually a clone somewhere in a hidden area on a Cerabus planet, that was attacked prior to earth, where he has laid in a coma until the current Shep dies on board the citadel...then he gets the signal to awake. And so that's why you see him in his N7 armor despite not all of us wearing that armor when we died.
Since playing a jerkwad Shepard have always been about personal gain rather then gain for the galaxy, I guess surviving that ordeal is the ultimate selfish gain and therefore fits....somehow?
You don't have a human corpse in the two other endings. You become a reaper in the control one and you are pulverised into green magic space dust in the synthesis ending.
DLC DLC DLC!
br0ken_shad0w
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I just make my own ending. Control reaper end is true end, Shep ascends to a higher being and uses reaper tech for the greater good, becomes god-emperor (of mankind). The end.
But being blasted through the atmosphere after the citadel explodes, "Pffff, been there already".
i would support that. seemed like a perfect end when i was playing.
Bioware: Ruining Lives Everywhere.
Zomba13
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FUCK that. I have more questions than answers. I think everyone here does.
Unless this isn't the true ending and we're getting a free DLC proper ending and what we have now is really indoctrination and is a whole meta thing and Bioware are actually geniuses.
BannedEpisode
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It honestly felt to me that the Destruction option was the most paragon option.
Control ends up with me controlling a shit situation as a fucking reaper. Who knows if it gets fucked up?
Synthesis forces organisms to change what they are. Thats wrong anyway you foot it.
Destruction fucks tech progress (And kills the geth/EDI/AI's) but essentially saves humanity and most sentient beings for the foreseeable future.
Destruction ended up being the only sensible option for me.
Control ends up with me controlling a shit situation as a fucking reaper. Who knows if it gets fucked up?
Synthesis forces organisms to change what they are. Thats wrong anyway you foot it.
Destruction fucks tech progress (And kills the geth/EDI/AI's) but essentially saves humanity and most sentient beings for the foreseeable future.
Destruction ended up being the only sensible option for me.
The ending sequences of the Crucible sending out Space Magic, would you say that's also an illusion?
lastplayed
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I got so sick of that damn kid. Why, of all the people Shepard's witnessed dying, does he constantly focus on the boy?
Reapers must be to blame... right?
Explain the old guy and the kid at the end then. And the window saying commander Shepard is a legend now go play DLC.
BannedEpisode
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In the sense that its possible for another AI race to develop that does something similar.
Who knows how long that will take?
Pollux
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Yes, showing what Shepard would have expected in his mind to happen.
Vire
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If you were to go along with this theory. And I'm not saying I am.
It was the Reapers "showing" Shepard exactly what he wanted and expected to see. While in actuality, Reapers win. He was in such a weakened state after the impact of the laser that he became more prone to the influence of the indoctrination.
The old guy and kid could be pretty easily explained. Since it takes place in the foreseeable future, those events could take place after Shepard wakes himself up and saves the day. (The DLC)
bigace33
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Really, just the way Shepard was questioning the kid ai, he just wasn't his usual sure self. I know he was messed up pretty bad, but he seemed to act weird and confused. Like the kid was messing with his mind or something. I would forgive Bioware if it turned out to be indoctrination the whole time.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Yeah, that's what happens when you assume your costumers are stupid.
Well, maybe the critics are. There's just no way that you could play this series, get involved, have reasonable (>100) intelligence and not notice that the ending has nothing, utterly nothing to do with the actual developed narrative during the entire game and series.
That doesn't mean apathy is not a possible and perhaps very wise response to it though.
I agree. The whole essence of indoctrination as described in ME1 was a creeping voice at the back of your head that you're not sure you heard, you just know something is off. And that's how everyone feels right now about the ending.
Why show Shepard alive in the Destroy ending? Why?
Why have the paragon/renegade colors seemingly mixed up for the final choice?
Why do these things? This is the kind of stuff you don't do unless you have a reason.
It could take thousands of years. But the point is Shepard was supposed to defeat the Reapers and their threat to sentient life. The threat to sentient life still remains.
Thank you.
haha, that epilogue wasn't necessary. kinda wanted to let us know Shepard was a hero. it's still ways off in the future.
BTW, i have a question. Since EDI was in the Synthetic ending, what if I had her in my squad at the end? That wouldn't make sense to me that she was in the Normandy...so i need to replay it to check?
lastplayed
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I'm sure there will be future Shepards to repeat the cycle. If the galaxy is truly cyclical, then the war will happen all over again. If I ever gather enough will to play through again, I'm so going to destroy them. That was the mission from day one, I gotta see it through. I just wish I did it the first time around.
Yeah, the Kid was probably the weakest attempt at evoking empathy in the player. It speaks volumes about the writers @ Bioware thinking that a fucking off-screen death of a kid is sufficient motivation for Shepard to worry/feel scared of the loss of lives in a brutal, genocidal war.
Um..yah? Since EA and Bioware confirmed that the Mass Effect universe won't end with Mass 3, it's a safe bet.
>Bioware says this isn't the end for the Universe.
>GAF: But what if it was the end for the Universe?
I'm pretty sure Bioware didn't kill off the entire franchise; therefore, there's probably something wrong with your interpretation of the "arrival" rule. We'll see soon enough either way. Honestly, this thread is so full of fail. No one's even really talking about the ending. Space wizards! Different coloured lights! LOL so ST00PID! Why no scenes with Shepard, Liara and blue babies? Yes, someone ITT actually said that.
I'm all for giving Bioware and EA shit for the giant wad of DLC they're probably going to throw at us to get the full ending (likely with cheesy fan-service galore). Hell, go ahead and criticize the ending for being too narrow for such a choice driven trilogy; but to act like it was thematically out of place in a story that essentially boiled down to synthetics vs organics is just kind of silly. Plus the theories we're coming up with are fun.
haha, now i understand you guys.
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Karak
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I would believe him...if it wasn't so painfully obvious there are all these issues. It seems like right hand and left hand have no idea what they are doing.
Because very literally almost nothing you do...ever in the games, since ME1 matters. I don't see how he could pretend that it does. Unless he just lives in his own world making shit up and believing it.
I don't see how a person who got to his level would think this *points to clusterfuck broken ending that makes no sense and almost retcones the entire legacy of the stories* and thinks it in any way gives a closure.
I put in about 11 hours into this game today, I had already read a lot of spoilers including the endings and I'm glad I did so I can put a mental block on it and focus on the good. It's a shame the ending is so terrible because this is a really good game otherwise. So many moments involving cool characters, all the effort you put into getting to know them pays off. Really got me thinking how much better this series would have been without the Reapers. Cerberus is a good enemy. The Geth were good enemies. The Reapers from ME2 on are dumb. All the bullshit politics wouldn't have been so lame if the enemy wasn't an obvious destroyer of universes that you'd have to be a moron not to prepare for and unite to fight. Bioware needs to dial the shit back a few notches from everything always being at stake.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Burn the ships behind you, so your men will fight with the power of despair.
The whole indoctrination thing is pretty much such an act of despair.
Can't imagine what Bioware must be thinking reading all these threads though. Mission accomplished? Uh oh? Well, that didn't work? Let's work on that other ending to troll the ending we put in?
I don't know. I think they didn't know either. Therefore: aliens.
Pollux
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Well, yea A threat exists. The Reapers' threat does not.
BannedEpisode
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br0ken_shad0w
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They could have done so much more with the visions like tying it with your psych profile:
Sole Survivor - death and destruction
War Hero - unable to save your allies
Ruthless - unable to stop the reapers
Instead we get the child shit courtesy of lazy writing.
What I want to know is what the higher ups at EA are thinking.
Something like "Bioware, what the FUCK did you just do???"
And you know who it should have been in those dreams instead of the kid? How about the person you left behind on Virmire? Totally symbolizes Shepard's inability to save everyone, and will definitely be dead in all of player's games.
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