Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Bisnic said:
So, a couple of things im wondering about characters deaths in ME2...

IF Miranda is dead, what happen in Horizon? You never meet her father and sister? How does it end then? How did they track Leng to the Cerberus base?

IF Thane is dead, Leng successfully kill the salarian ambassador?

IF Grunt is dead, the leader of that Krogan group on the rachni planet is just a random krogan no one cares about?

IF Mordin is dead, who replaces him as the scientist who can cure the genophage? Another random alien?

IF Jack is dead, she's replaced by a regular looking human biotic teacher?

IF Jacob is dead, no one replaces him and you just save a bunch of ex-Cerberus?

IF Tali is dead, a lot of shit must change in the Quarian missions no?

The only thing i know is that Legion is replaced by a "Geth VI" that looks just like him and that Wreav replace Wrex. And that you just meet the 2 asari sisters in the monastery if Samara is dead or you chose Morinth.
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You get info from Oriana instead of Miranda. You either let the father go or kill him. Anderson and Hackett decide that you should just go ahead and attack the Cerberus base, with no knowledge to the player of how they figured out where it was.

Dagg the Krogan instead of Grunt.
 
Bisnic said:
So, a couple of things im wondering about characters deaths in ME2...

IF Miranda is dead, what happen in Horizon? You never meet her father and sister? How does it end then? How did they track Leng to the Cerberus base?

IF Thane is dead, Leng successfully kill the salarian ambassador?

IF Grunt is dead, the leader of that Krogan group on the rachni planet is just a random krogan no one cares about?

IF Mordin is dead, who replaces him as the scientist who can cure the genophage? Another random alien?

IF Jack is dead, she's replaced by a regular looking human biotic teacher?

IF Jacob is dead, no one replaces him and you just save a bunch of ex-Cerberus?

IF Tali is dead, a lot of shit must change in the Quarian missions no?

The only thing i know is that Legion is replaced by a "Geth VI" that looks just like him and that Wreav replace Wrex. And that you just meet the 2 asari sisters in the monastery if Samara is dead or you chose Morinth.
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Thane gets replaced by Kirrahe.
Wrex gets replaced by Wreav.
 
Metroidvania said:
Captain Kirrahe is rumored to show up. If you didn't save his commando squad in ME1, the ambassador dies, and you lose salarian support if you supported krogan's for genophage.
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Oh my god. You are right. Alright, this is game of the year, fuck all the hate. That is incredible... When I played it Thane came out and kicked Kai Leng's ass before dying (like most of you), but then my GF played it (Thane died for her ME2) and I was 100% expecting Thanes son to replace him and it is basically the exact thing. Nope Kai Leng just killed the Ambassador. But there is actually a 3RD option if you save fucking Kirrahe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8w07S1lbCA

This game man. It makes it seem even less likely that the ending is correct, SO many different outcomes in one encounter...
 
I really think that even if indoc isn't real, some of the DLC will have to be set after the ending of the game. There is just not enough character resolution, either everybody dies or I want to see what happens to them. Shepard would have to survive so would this make destroy the "canon" ending? The longer this goes on the more I think they will have to change something. I mean word of mouth must be starting to get pretty bad on the ending and that will start impacting sales.
 
Metroidvania said:
I posted the whole thing earlier, but in essence, the more the organic species used dark energy, the more it seeped into the real world, and risked blowing up the universe. The reapers were designed to kill all organics to prevent dark energy usage. By the time of our cycle, dark energy was getting to dangerous levels, so creating a 'genetically diverse' human reaper was the reaper's last shot at stopping the incoming dark energy explosion in ME2. Thus, the premise of the original ending of ME3 was either to tell the reapers to shove off and let us try to stop the explosion ourselves, or let the reapers suck up humanity to try and preserve the galaxy.
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You have a lot of posts and I haven't tracked this one down yet. Do you have a link or a post number?

Do you have a source for this, or is this your personal speculation based on clues throughout the games? I was curious about this because it seems like a plot point that was just dropped, but I guess that would explain what happened to it.

edit: Man Kirahee could have been so awesome, but the actual execution is disappointing. He was just standing there as a human shield? What?

edit 2: Ah, the leaked script? They done goofed when they changed the ending. Fucking bullshit man.
 
Metroidvania said:
I posted the whole thing earlier, but in essence, the more the organic species used dark energy, the more it seeped into the real world, and risked blowing up the universe. The reapers were designed to kill all organics to prevent dark energy usage. By the time of our cycle, dark energy was getting to dangerous levels, so creating a 'genetically diverse' human reaper was the reaper's last shot at stopping the incoming dark energy explosion in ME2. Thus, the premise of the original ending of ME3 was either to tell the reapers to shove off and let us try to stop the explosion ourselves, or let the reapers suck up humanity to try and preserve the galaxy.
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This was the original ending from the leaked script? wasn't everyone complaining about the leaked script and how bad it was?

This ending sounds so much more plausible given the previous games than some bs about having synthetics destroy organics so that organics aren't destroyed by their own synthetics.
 
Darknessbear said:
Oh my god. You are right. Alright, this is game of the year, fuck all the hate. That is incredible... When I played it Thane came out and kicked Kai Leng's ass before dying (like most of you), but then my GF played it (Thane died for her ME2) and I was 100% expecting Thanes son to replace him and it is basically the exact thing. Nope Kai Leng just killed the Ambassador. But there is actually a 3RD option if you save fucking Kirrahe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8w07S1lbCA

This game man. It makes it seem even less likely that the ending is correct, SO many different outcomes in one encounter...
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Agreed. So many interesting outcomes. I was planning to betray the Krogans with my half-renegade Infiltrator, and confronted Mordin about his life-long support of the genophage when he refused to back down. I agreed to let him carry out the plan, and it was much more powerful to kill the genophage this way; a decision motivated by a last-minute moment of guilt.

Really should have remembered to defuse the Tuchanka bomb before it exploded, though. Sorry, Wrex!
 
Sojgat said:
I really think that even if indoc isn't real, some of the DLC will have to be set after the ending of the game. There is just not enough character resolution, either everybody dies or I want to see what happens to them. Shepard would have to survive so would this make destroy the "canon" ending? The longer this goes on the more I think they will have to change something. I mean word of mouth must be starting to get pretty bad on the ending and that will start impacting sales.
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I don't think they'll change anything. I'm pretty sure Hudson said DLC missions wouldn't be part of the main story arc, but side stories, so I expect stuff like Take Back Omega and other side quests you can play during a standard story arc. There's a reason the game kicks you back to Normandy prior to the Cerberus Headquarters mission, just before the point of no return.

They've deliberately left the ending open and full of holes to keep their fanbase guessing and speculating until we get Mass Effect 4, which I assume will be set in the distant future with enough changes to accommodate most of the endings. Regardless of which choices you make, the Reaper threat is removed and the relays are destroyed. That will be the basis for their next series, and I expect they'll run with synthesis while they're at it.
 
Derrick01 said:
Everything Shepard did in ME2 delayed the Reapers about 2 months, while not actually learning anything about them or Cerberus. We know they're both evil in various degrees, which we already knew in ME1. We learned the collectors were protheans....ok? What did that change? They were still soul-less husks that needed to be gunned down. Harbinger was randomly thrown into the mix with no explanation why, we just assumed he was a really important Reaper.

ME2 served as a way to throw in a bunch of new characters that I couldn't care less about with the sole exception of Legion and the bulk of the game revolved around running their mostly pointless errands. I think Mordin and Legion had the only real important ones that were brought to 3. I will forever hate that game with an extreme passion.
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Do you really care THAT much about the reaper storyline? Even in mass effect one it wasn't particularly deep or good. It's important as it is the main device that sets shepard on his journey, but the reason I liked mass effect 1 was certainly not because I thought Saren was any kind of great villain, nor was do I think that soverign discussion was that great (especailly with lines like "You're just a machine! And machines....can be broken."). No, what I got invested in was the periphery stuff. I loved Wrex's personality, dialogue, and genophage problem. Learning about the Krogans and Turians and Salarians was all fun. The most memorable thing about Virmire was the awesome speech that Kirahhe made.

And the majority of the reason that you played was because you found Saren, who was a genetic asshole for the majority of the game, compelling? Or, once you found out, you were interested in the reapers? They're interesting too, don't get me wrong, but that is really the main reason you played?

As for ME2 characters, if you don't care about them, I can't do anything about that. Every story needs emotional investment for it to be worth seeing. You could be reading the greatest story of all time, but if you don't care, it won't mean anything to you. But if you did, it was great. And what you did in ME2 brought emotional weight to ME3. Like someone else said, no one would care about mordin if they didn't spend time developing him in 2.

Edit: Oh, and also, the human reapers seemed to give TIM far more insight into indoctrination, which explains why they went batshit in 3. Its kind of a copout for those that wanted to destroy the base in 2, but there's another plot point that couldn't have gone forward without 2 happening.
 
Metroidvania said:
I posted the whole thing earlier, but in essence, the more the organic species used dark energy, the more it seeped into the real world, and risked blowing up the universe. The reapers were designed to kill all organics to prevent dark energy usage. By the time of our cycle, dark energy was getting to dangerous levels, so creating a 'genetically diverse' human reaper was the reaper's last shot at stopping the incoming dark energy explosion in ME2. Thus, the premise of the original ending of ME3 was either to tell the reapers to shove off and let us try to stop the explosion ourselves, or let the reapers suck up humanity to try and preserve the galaxy.
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I made sure I never read this, so I had no idea. This is waaaaay fucking better than what we got. Why change the script because it got leaked, if people wan't to ruin something for themselves, let them. Don't screw it up for everyone else. I would be happy if Bioware just put this ending back in.
 
Indoctrinated / Not indoctrinated discussions bring to mind several heated internet debates about..you guessed it. THE ZELDA TIMELINE SPLIT.

Maybe Bioware should incorporate time travel!


Mass Effect: The Relay of Time

Upon finding an odd relay Shepard and co are transported into the distant past and shit happens yo!
DISCOVER the TRUE origins of the Reapers! Also get some sweet prehistoric love makin' with cavemen reaper women
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Sojgat said:
I really think that even if indoc isn't real, some of the DLC will have to be set after the ending of the game. There is just not enough character resolution, either everybody dies or I want to see what happens to them. Shepard would have to survive so would this make destroy the "canon" ending? The longer this goes on the more I think they will have to change something. I mean word of mouth must be starting to get pretty bad on the ending and that will start impacting sales.
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Honestly I'd take a dlc video just explaining things into a bit further details. Bringing some kind of closure. No game play, just a movie. :^(
 
EatChildren said:
I don't think they'll change anything. I'm pretty sure Hudson said DLC missions wouldn't be part of the main story arc, but side stories, so I expect stuff like Take Back Omega and other side quests you can play during a standard story arc. There's a reason the game kicks you back to Normandy prior to the Cerberus Headquarters mission, just before the point of no return.

They've deliberately left the ending open and full of holes to keep their fanbase guessing and speculating until we get Mass Effect 4, which I assume will be set in the distant future with enough changes to accommodate most of the endings. Regardless of which choices you make, the Reaper threat is removed and the relays are destroyed. That will be the basis for their next series, and I expect they'll run with synthesis while they're at it.
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Maybe, but the ending is just getting such a negative response. I won't buy any of the DLC if they don't change or at least expand on the ending, I'm just not interested now, and I would guess a lot of people are in the same boat.
 
Darknessbear said:
Oh my god. You are right. Alright, this is game of the year, fuck all the hate. That is incredible... When I played it Thane came out and kicked Kai Leng's ass before dying (like most of you), but then my GF played it (Thane died for her ME2) and I was 100% expecting Thanes son to replace him and it is basically the exact thing. Nope Kai Leng just killed the Ambassador. But there is actually a 3RD option if you save fucking Kirrahe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8w07S1lbCA

This game man. It makes it seem even less likely that the ending is correct, SO many different outcomes in one encounter...
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In my encounter (I did not import anything) the diplomat tried to go invisible and run, but was still killed. No one intervened.
 
daoster said:
A Q&A deflecting questions and having plenty of winks...that's easy and free...100%
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Ya especially as they had other threads with the exact same subject. There is no excusable reason for him to make that thread. It was a total attempt to deflect.
 
Casey on after Mass Effect 3
"Whatever we do would likely happen before or during the events of Mass Effect 3, not after"
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On Deciding the End of the Game
The illusive man boss fight had been scrapped... but there was still much debate. On night walters scribbled down some thought on various ways the game could end with the line "Lots of speculation for Everyone!" at the bottom of the page.

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).
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Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"
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Good job Walters and co *groan*.
 
uugh dam ME1 on Origin is quit a mess why not install Bring down the Sky auto now i have to jump through hoops. The same for ME2 DLC which was a hell to get 2 weeks back.
 
Lifejumper said:
Great vid about the indoctrination theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=g-u-u&context=G296b84aFUAAAAAAABAA

13 min long.
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I didn't even know that the Illusive man walks away from the panels after he kills shepard. That is RADICALLY out of character for him....unless, of course, as the video suggests, it's not the real Illusive man.

It's very freudian, this conversation. Shepard is the Ego, struggling between his Id (in this case, the indoctrination) and Superego (the moral center)
 
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