Empty Space
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Since it got cut that doesn't happen. If your EMS is too low you see their bodies if front of you when you get up and if its high enough you don't see anything.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Since it got cut that doesn't happen. If your EMS is too low you see their bodies if front of you when you get up and if its high enough you don't see anything.
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He was the Messiah we needed... but not the Messiah we wanted
Psychoward
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No, partly because from what I saw, it wasn't nearly as bad as the final product.
My biggest problem was that it seemed too Earth-centric.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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With the power of your love.
Zomba13
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It still kinda is a plot hole though. I mean why and how they got to the Normandy and crash landed there and come out 100% fine isn't explained at all. If they were hit like Shepard and the rest of Hammer then they'd be dead or dying yet Tali (in my game) walked out 100% fine.
scarybore
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Saren and Sovereign were awesome antagonists, Bioware never really replicated that in the sequels. Dare say they hoped Kai Leng would be held in the same light, but we all know how that turned out. Illusive man didn't turn out too badly in the end, glad they didn't turn him into the reaper monster seen in the art book.
I'm hoping this guy turns up with the exact same expression.
Lol, I did the same.
Except when I first got to earth, I used vega because he was always whining about how much he wanted to take back earth - what a mistake that was, such a boring character.
Luckily I had a chance to rectify my mistake.
Psychoward
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They were supposed to yes.
And since the pulse happened almost instantly, Joker would have had to be running before he saw the pulse.
Joker lost his nerve and ran away after picking up your squadmate on battle-torn Earth in time for him to get on a relay and crash land on some verdant jungle planet.
Big Chungus
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So the old man after the credits was Joker?
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That is indeed the plot hole. But the cut content is not.
I guess you could argue that you don't really know how much time Shepard really spent on the Citadel so they could have gone and picked your squad up and then saw that *insert color here* beam and then got the fuck out of there
Ah yes, Infermon from the Digimon movie, the so called good boss of the Mass Effect series. We have dismissed that claim.
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Oh wow
.. I would actually do that
ShockingAlberto
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So they left Shepard?
I liked most of the squad mates thoughout the series, but there is no doubt that Garrus/Liara was my A team throughout. They worked brilliantly with my Engineer and they were my two favourite characters story-wise to boot.
In ME3 I had to force myself to use the others every now and then. It was awesome when I went to the squad select screen and realized I had used James (ugh) and Ashley (snore) or something last mission so I felt OK rolling into the next one with my favs.
Zomba13
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Which seems pretty odd that that would happen when Joker has been a real trooper in the past on various dangerous missions and even risked his life to save the ship when everyone else was dead or evacuated.
littleworm
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On top of which how the hell could anything survive a crash at FTL?
No one really knows what happens there. Sometimes your ground squad is magically on the Normandy and apparently Joker catches a small dose of bitch mode and tries to flee the area for some reason (where the fuck was he trying to go?).
It's another huge gap in the ending that needed to be filled.
The real issue for me has become that bioware did it on purpose. They deserve everything they get.
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lastplayed
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I took Javik with me. I thought it'd be awesome to have him along for the ultimate payback... boy was I wrong.
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Karak
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Currently it seems to me that the EXPECTED ending would be death as well as the UNEXPECTED ending. Media right now is filled with sacrifice stories, and awesome we won stories. Makes far more sense, to me, to have many endings with both kinds. Even if it was 2 with Shep dying, 1 with him living, 1 Scooby doo ending
But neither sacrifice nor success is surprising anymore. The surprise is that writers don't seem to understand that. No ending was going to be happy anyway(billions died).In the cut dialogue that's still in the PC version's sound files, you can hear Joker swooping in to rescue the teammates.
It's all part of the "fuck that ending" wagon. It makes absolutely no sense why Joker and company (all loyal compatriots of Shepard for more than three years) turn around and run from the only place to fight.
It's like indoctrination is now out and calling out the speculation is in. I love it.
Seriously, it also makes it seem that Earth is fucked so they bail.
LumpOfCole
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I'm not an expert on game design, but my firm belief is to measure your game's ending up against Sewer Shark's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAJaSLqz580
If the ending is worse than Sewer Shark's, redo the ending until it's right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAJaSLqz580
If the ending is worse than Sewer Shark's, redo the ending until it's right.
Pollux
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Unless it's all in Shepard's head...
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SpectreFire
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As another writer, I strongly disagree. Speculative endings are terrible and they are lazy. They're a last ditch effort by less than talented writers who could not or did not plan out a proper trajectory or ending to their stories. It's a cop-out, pure and simple.
When you make people invested in something, you have to make sure they get paid off. It's like putting money into an investment at a bank and 5 years later, when you come back to collect, the bank tells you they have no idea what's happening with your money. It's just bad writing.
I can't respect a writer that drags people along for a 100 hour ride only to tell them at the end "well tell me what you think happened to everyone?" That doesn't play, that is one of the worst moves a writer can pull and the team at Bioware pulled it.
You are a bad person.
I wasn't a fan of Liara until that episode, she's much more likeable in that one than in ME1 I think.
Anderson also died for me, and I shot Illusive Man. I don't know. Seemed to wrap things up pretty well.
Important people die but Earth is saved, the Mass Relay system is kept intact to keep communication with other species in the galaxy, and the Reapers are controlled to advance humanity and the other races far ahead of what they were. Everyone wins. And Shep and Anderson are now sharing a toast in the afterlife
I like the theme of sacrifice. It felt very appropriate.
Even the kid made sense (despite the stupid dreams). He's an A.I. and what he was basically saying at the end about the chaos of organic vs. synthetic and the cycle needed to put a stop to it was an extension of what the Reapers have always said - which makes sense, since they are an extension of him.
That was goofy, definitely.
There's that and the total goofiness with Harbinger. Not only to have a basic Destroyer guarding something so staggeringly important to the war, but for Harbinger to simply run off somewhere else and never be seen or heard from again when he should have posted himself right there and ensured nobody could open up the Citadel.
What do you mean? The final choices you get hinge on whether or not you care about the synthetics at all. You can choose to have them and the Reapers all destroyed. The kid warns you that your descendants will inevitably create synthetics and the cycle will continue, and that plays into the choice you have to make.
Important people die but Earth is saved, the Mass Relay system is kept intact to keep communication with other species in the galaxy, and the Reapers are controlled to advance humanity and the other races far ahead of what they were. Everyone wins. And Shep and Anderson are now sharing a toast in the afterlife
I like the theme of sacrifice. It felt very appropriate.
Even the kid made sense (despite the stupid dreams). He's an A.I. and what he was basically saying at the end about the chaos of organic vs. synthetic and the cycle needed to put a stop to it was an extension of what the Reapers have always said - which makes sense, since they are an extension of him.
That was goofy, definitely.
There's that and the total goofiness with Harbinger. Not only to have a basic Destroyer guarding something so staggeringly important to the war, but for Harbinger to simply run off somewhere else and never be seen or heard from again when he should have posted himself right there and ensured nobody could open up the Citadel.
What do you mean? The final choices you get hinge on whether or not you care about the synthetics at all. You can choose to have them and the Reapers all destroyed. The kid warns you that your descendants will inevitably create synthetics and the cycle will continue, and that plays into the choice you have to make.
doubleplusgood
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I used EDI(in her camel toe suit, ofcourse) and Javik for the most part, though in retrospect I think should have brought Liara along alot more - might have been more suitable for barrier mobs.
Yeah it's not indoctrination or some secret plot hole that you missed its just really bad writing, and its intentionally trying to be baffling.
Empty Space
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I did the same thing expect Javik to have a lengthy conversation with Harbinger. That didn't turn out how I planned it.
There's a piece of dialogue from him where he says he was stuck sniping in Big Ben for a while-I thought that was pretty cool of them to stick him in.
The plothole is them appearing on that jungle planet, not them dying. We don't know if that scene would always happen or if it's like it is now, where you see them dead on the ground of your EMS is too low. They're nowhere to be found if you had a high enough amount.
At least I'm glad that the ending is completely terrible and does not have any redeeming qualities, so there is actually a consensus on something on the internet.
It's actually pretty admirable of Bioware to do: They created something that the Internet universally agrees upon. That the ending is pure shit pulled from Walters' ass.
It's actually pretty admirable of Bioware to do: They created something that the Internet universally agrees upon. That the ending is pure shit pulled from Walters' ass.
Thx. That cleared a bit up.
Although my assumption was still somewhat correct. The ME3 ending(s) just sucked, all of them were bad, nothing good/happy and also seem to be unlogical (made no sense), if I understood correctly. Or is the problem that all the endings are quite the same and people mainly just got a problem not having a good ending as well?
Anyway my point would still be correct. MGS4 had a good, everyone is happy ending. Snake
still lives
Or did I misunderstand it again?
This is extremely true, especially compared to James, the new party member who had zero value in the story.
Last Hearth
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All they needed was to have multiple endings, you can have you happy ending, you can have you tragic sacrifice ending, you can have you bittersweet ending, you can have you reapers win and destroy everything ending. You can have even a twist ending like synthesis.
Then everyone is happy. And if you want to do something with the universe later just pick one as the canon.
Seriously it's not that hard to keep the ME fanbase happy.
Then everyone is happy. And if you want to do something with the universe later just pick one as the canon.
Seriously it's not that hard to keep the ME fanbase happy.
ShockingAlberto
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This might seem sort of fanfiction-y, but I kind of hoped Kai Ling could have been replaced by the Illusive Man rebuilding Saren or the Virmire Death somehow. It would have made the fight personal.
heliosRAzi
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Don't you see? You've been speculated!
Anderson also died for me, and I shot Illusive Man. I don't know. Seemed to wrap things up pretty well.
Important people die but Earth is saved, the Mass Relay system is kept intact to keep communication with other species in the galaxy, and the Reapers are controlled to advance humanity and the other races far ahead of what they were. Everyone wins. And Shep and Anderson are now sharing a toast in the afterlife
I like the theme of sacrifice. It felt very appropriate.
Even the kid made sense (despite the stupid dreams). He's an A.I. and what he was basically saying at the end about the chaos of organic vs. synthetic and the cycle needed to put a stop to it was an extension of what the Reapers have always said - which makes sense, since they are an extension of him.
That was goofy, definitely.
There's that and the total goofiness with Harbinger. Not only to have a basic Destroyer guarding something so staggeringly important to the war, but for Harbinger to simply run off somewhere else and never be seen or heard from again when he should have posted himself right there and ensured nobody could open up the Citadel.
What do you mean? The final choices you get hinge on whether or not you care about the synthetics at all. You can choose to have them and the Reapers all destroyed. The kid warns you that your descendants will inevitably create synthetics and the cycle will continue, and that plays into the choice you have to make.
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