Karak
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You sort of glow like the glowing child at the end. And a halo. Its a biblical reference.
And I actually loved the look of renegade Shep
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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You sort of glow like the glowing child at the end. And a halo. Its a biblical reference.
And I actually loved the look of renegade Shep
lastplayed
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No. But renegade RoboShep looks pretty cool.
Someone made a mention that it was like War of the Worlds. And the first game came out before Inception.
Shep is Robocop and Terminator combined.
Freeza Under The Shower
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lastplayed
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I loved the buzzing noise in War of the Worlds, one of the only good things about that movie.
Karak
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Or the Duel. Doesn't the truck in that always honk its horn every time it arrives?
It's also really bad at paradoxes. Although I guess "reaping" is a bit different than "genocide."
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Karak
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...ok but then put up a small child gate in the door so he can't get in while you bang Edi and keep asking him for high fives. Occasionally you pass him a camera and ask him to take a pic for your online webcam.
He's just trying to story-top Shepard.
"I killed one of my friends to keep a sterility-disease in place"
"Oh yeah? I'll trick you into fucking over everyone"
PsychoSoldier
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Honestly you'd probably just have to step on his foot.
As I've said to others who've posted similar things, just give it time....
therealminime
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You know the ending may not be so great, but some of the stuff before it is superb. I am doing a quick pure renegade playthrough (as I had previously done pure paragon) and I just did the "Cure the Genophage" mission.
Killing Mordin and watching him crawl, slowly bleeding out, to try and save the Krogan and redeem himself broke my heart. Not too many other games can say they have done this.
Killing Mordin and watching him crawl, slowly bleeding out, to try and save the Krogan and redeem himself broke my heart. Not too many other games can say they have done this.
XANDER CAGE
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It's definitely a War of the Worlds reference. The Reapers evoke the appearance of Tripods when they're on the ground.
I would have laughed if a Renegade prompt came up and had Shep just slap the kid in the face. "Are you stupid, you little shit?" is what he would have said afterwards.
RyanardoDaVinci
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Okay, what the fuck! This is some creepy shit.
I'm doing my Insanity run and I'm up to Cerberus HQ, we get into the room with the remnants of the human reaper boss and as soon as the fight starts... BOOM!!!!!
An incredibly loud explosion -- like, super loud. I had to turn my speakers way down -- rings out and persists through the whole fight, along with high-pitched electronic screeching, and low bass rumblings.
As soon as the last guy died, the sounds faded away. They started again as soon as the other enemies popped out at the top of the ladder, and then again faded when they all died.
Here's pics of no EDI:
I have been indoctrinated!
I'm doing my Insanity run and I'm up to Cerberus HQ, we get into the room with the remnants of the human reaper boss and as soon as the fight starts... BOOM!!!!!
An incredibly loud explosion -- like, super loud. I had to turn my speakers way down -- rings out and persists through the whole fight, along with high-pitched electronic screeching, and low bass rumblings.
As soon as the last guy died, the sounds faded away. They started again as soon as the other enemies popped out at the top of the ladder, and then again faded when they all died.
Here's pics of no EDI:
I have been indoctrinated!
lastplayed
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FullMetalx
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Okay I understand how religion can really help with the naming if places in sci fi but come on SCIENCE fiction should stay rather strict with logic. Well I guess I have been proven utterly wrong though with all of these examples.
BTW Ender's Game is awesome!
BTW Ender's Game is awesome!
Karak
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These guys had no fucking clue what they were doing or even where to go with the end.
I hate reading these but I just keep doing it and rereading the same ones over and over.
Ending? What ending? 2 months away from the end? Ending, what ending?
Oh shit we need an ending?
How did we miss the ENDING?
I don't know I was too busy giving interviews about how many choices we will have in the....ending...oh fuck we are screwed! ABC, ABC!
No they will figure that out, colors. Colors are needed.
Sounds good.
*high five*
You forget the fiction part, though. It's literature about science, usually involving questions of ethics and morality and purpose and "what is a life".
XANDER CAGE
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Where? I still only hear an extended ambient tone. Still a single note, but it's no BWARRRRM.
Jake Tower
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INDOCTRINATED AGENT DETECTED
Or the most dumbass problem-solver in the entire universe. "Oh noez, synthetics are killing us organics, whaddowedo?" "Oh, I know, let's create SUPER synthetic to kill us every 50k years and archiving us so that the normal synthetics can't kill us first".
I mean how do you expect people not to go "WTF?" after hearing that explanation? As far as plans go, it's so dumb that I don't know why anyone with a brain will come up with it.
XANDER CAGE
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And then FullMetalx learned the difference between hard scifi and scifi.
Also, even serious "logic" driven stories use religion as a framework quite often. As I said before, even stories not pushing or really making a statement about theology use it. Religion is a rich source of storytelling because religion has been around for centuries and is instantly relatable to many people, even people who aren't theists.
At around 40 seconds?
Freeza Under The Shower
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... dammit! wasted a heat clip!
I'm sure he'll find that hi-la-rious. Kinda creepy that would include 'small child gate' there, to be honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEc1OTFaWnI
I meant Sovereign's theme, not his first appearance in the game. It's pretty much blazers all the way in the theme.
Including some gregorian chanting in there. Ah yeah, Old God completed.
Seriously though, the ME1 soundtrack is just thematically so much stronger than the ME2 soundtrack (and ME3, I'm afraid), it's not even funny.
Maybe I'm indoctrinated though.
XANDER CAGE
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That's not a horn stab. Still, yeah, I get that that's been their "theme" for a while.
Pollux
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But really good book.Everyone has brought up good examples but Im throwing this one in as well.
Pretty Low-Scifi though...
A lot of hyperbole in this thread, but I still feel so.
The shitty ending does not invalidate that this game is so well crafted otherwise in every department IMO.
Thagomizer
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Hahaha. Pretty much all the "classic" science fiction touches on religious, spiritual, and metaphysical themes.
Plus, most science fiction isn't actually very logical or scientific at all, no matter how gritty. FTL travel, for one, is basically magitech under our current scientific understanding, no matter how one tries to justify it. It literally has as much grounding in modern science as Harry Potter being able to cast spells with a stick. You can't really say "No religion themes in science fiction because SCIENCE" in a story that features telekinetic reptilian aliens with entirely human features that can reproduce with literally anything with a pulse.
Oh, and they can mind read, because at this point, why the fuck not?
Well, he's certainly no Legion. That was one classy synthetic.
A.I. kid was bored of being godlike with no dominion over anyone so he decided to take a big steaming dump all over the Milky Way. If he actually is the end result of synthetic life, then shit, maybe Javik was right. Out the fuckin' airlock.
Uhhhh just finished the game. What... the fuck? Beautiful presentation aside, I don't know what the fucked I just watched. Any popular interpretations that could clue me in?
Did Shepard decide to fuse organic and synthetic life together? Who built the catalyst and the Reapers? Is it supposed to be some kind of omnipotent synthetic that was created by organics long ago, that subsequently wiped out its creators, and decided to begins these cycles of life?
What planet did Joker and EDI land on? What planet are the father and son on? It clearly doesn't look like Earth judging by the other planets nearby in the sky.
I mean, I guess I can dig the overarching theme that synthetics and organics can coexist, but to take it to such a drastic step and fuse the two together into one species creates so many more questions than answers. I wouldn't call the ending ambiguous necessarily, just frustratingly open-ended.
Do the other galactic races still exist, or does everyone look like a human synthetic combination now? We're only shown humans and EDI at the end.
Are species out of contact with each other again now that the mass relays are gone, or is everyone still spacefaring? The father's explanation of the stars to his son seem to offer either scenario. But then how are they on an exotic planet?
Ugh.
Did Shepard decide to fuse organic and synthetic life together? Who built the catalyst and the Reapers? Is it supposed to be some kind of omnipotent synthetic that was created by organics long ago, that subsequently wiped out its creators, and decided to begins these cycles of life?
What planet did Joker and EDI land on? What planet are the father and son on? It clearly doesn't look like Earth judging by the other planets nearby in the sky.
I mean, I guess I can dig the overarching theme that synthetics and organics can coexist, but to take it to such a drastic step and fuse the two together into one species creates so many more questions than answers. I wouldn't call the ending ambiguous necessarily, just frustratingly open-ended.
Do the other galactic races still exist, or does everyone look like a human synthetic combination now? We're only shown humans and EDI at the end.
Are species out of contact with each other again now that the mass relays are gone, or is everyone still spacefaring? The father's explanation of the stars to his son seem to offer either scenario. But then how are they on an exotic planet?
Ugh.
Zomba13
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Yeah. Would have been nice if that was used somehow. Hell, even in the Winter Space scene. Have Grandpa Buzz play something from it, have that be where the stories of the Shepard are from.
I don't think many people here are saying that the game itself is bad. On the contrary for about 95% of the time, the game is so good. That's why it hurts so much to see the ending turns out to be rich creamy shit.
Which is why the decision to choose "Destroy" ending will be an easy one for me. Okay, there's EDI but without Legion, all of those Geths are just expensive toasters to me.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Sounds like a sound bug in your system, actually. It happens.
(but is obviously not supposed to)
EmCeeGramr
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I wish you could have asked the kid why, if their creators thought that synthetics would always completely obliterate organic life, they decided to leave absolute control of the entire galaxy to a race of synthetic life. That, and apparently after millions, if not billions, of years, the Reapers apparently have followed orders and only harvested lifeforms. I mean, you'd think they get to ultimate organic genocide after a while if this was so inevitable.
It's easy to rip the argument to shreds, because at it's most basic level, it's effing hilarious.
But it makes sense. If synthetics believe that every organic civilization will reach a point of technological advancement where they create synthetic lifeforms that, inevitably, will wage warfare on their creator organics, win the war, and then subjugate the rest of the universe and end all organic life, then "pruning the tree" is a means of ensuring the survival of organic life in general. Sure, your civilization is going byebye, but there's still tons of other organic lifeforms out there.
If you think of the civilization as an individual and organic life as the group, the Reapers are basically killing the individual to save the group. The individual will say "wait that makes no sense, you kill me so synthetics won't kill me?", but the synthetic responds by saying "we're killing you to save the group, sucks for you."
It's a very sci-fi evil machine type answer: cold, hard, logical.
Yeah. I assume the dialogue would be that synthetic life, once it achieves dominance, would be impossible to unseat from power because of how quickly it can advance etc. etc. But you know... include that line in the game.
Karak
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Well I am not going to build an entire gate for him. I don't know my "different gates that are see-through and ALSO tease the fact someone can't get over them" nomenclature
EatChildren
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Like someone suggested, it would have been ideal for a "Reapers win" style ending. A brief post-credits sequence after the Reapers ruin everybody's shit of a new species landing on a planet and discovering the box, activating it to see a holographic image of Shepard.
Zomba13
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That's my favourite sitcom on the citadel.
Escape Goat
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It invalidates the emotional investment thats been building over all 3 games. BioWare prides itself on crafting an emotionally compelling RPG and they do succeed more often than not. Then, when its time to take that investment and reap the reward you're handed a big pile of steamy shit.
A.I. kid built the Reapers, and yeah, he was created by organics and then amassed a ridiculous amount of technological power over time. It's likely he is many AIs in one, similar to Legion and the Reapers albeit magnitudes more powerful.
The A.I. kid at the end is clearly a reference to Clarke's third law - any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And I think the writers basically stopped there.
Karak
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Or even just fading out as they talked
Fading out as Anderson passed
Fading out as Shepard watched Anderson pass and slowly lays back himself
There are like 40 different versions you could put here and all of them prove...you are 100% right.
Freeza Under The Shower
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OH MY GOD, THE PLANTS, THE PLLAAAAANTTS. NO LIARA, STAY AWAY.
Noooo, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo
(Shepard was really just Philip Fry all along)
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