SerArthurDayne
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I have a bald thing...
I thought her some hair look made her head look really big and weird.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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I have a bald thing...
I thought her some hair look made her head look really big and weird.
Zomba13
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Yay for space boob jobs?
I see, so you missed the most emotional line Mark Meer has ever given:
STEEEEEVE!!!!. . . . . . . . .you sure?
Zomba13
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I lol'd at that. How does it play for femshep?
I got this Anders vibe off of him, so I totally ignored him and didn't shed a tear when he died. I don't mind having gay characters in the game, but dammit why do they always have to make it seem like I'm hitting on the guy or being a total asshole. So I completely ignored him after the first couple of meetings where the options were like "do it for me" or "suit yourself". Ugh. Whatever happed to do it because it's a good idea? So I pretty much sent him to the curb like Kaiden.
I also don't get the Tali hate. I really liked her character and they did a damn good job with the romance in this game. I really felt like her and my Shep were connected and they had a great little scene before the final battle. People who romanced character from ME2 really got the shaft. Bioware should be ashamed of themselves for that.
Anyway, Tali, Garrus, Liara, Javik, Kasumi, Kelly, Moridin, and Wrex are by far my favorite characters in the series and most of them got a lot of screen time this time around. This is one area I thought they did a great job with in the game. Just a shame the ending is so confusing and leaves more questions than answers.
I mentioned this couple page b4, but i really hate how he from goes emotional to monotone in the same sentence
Infinite Justice
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lastplayed
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You could probably correlate the increase of shooterness with boob size.
That was fucking awesome. It amazes me how many plot holes there are...unreal.
I'd consider the end "great", as I said, not the greatest. Also, I think, in the end, opinions will be opinions, no point for me to try to make you see the end as I see.
first I adressed above, for the second: it's better to kill some now and give some the opportunity to live, than do nothing and see everyone die.
Why does it say "reused dialogue"?
A defeated argument at its finest. Now join us.
SerArthurDayne
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I assume this is a problem of direction. I doubt the VA knew that one line was connected to the next. If he did, then yeah, he tanked it.
edit: Shepard is the only person in this thread who has liked the ending. Others were okay with it, but he liked it. He is probably the only person that hasn't soured on it either. I admire you for your fortitude sir, though I disagree with you on the details.
edit 2:
Did you SEE Ashley sitting in the hospital bed? Holy shit. The outward pressure she puts on that armor must be immense.
Empty Space
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I think this kind of a dumb idea, but maybe she's in the second Asari stage Matron I think its called.
littleworm
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Sure the Reaper invasion helped broker an alliance between the two, but it does not mean that the the Geth and the Quarians will start fighting again once the war is over.
I'm losing power... :\ (power to try to convert you, I'll always think the end is great ;D)
Freeza Under The Shower
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I think the indoctrination theory pretty much follows automatically from all the holes and the lore. Any reader / viewer / player consuming that kind of 'plot' KNOWING that there is a well established mechanism in the lore and all separate games, is just going to assume that the correct interpretation is that of the lore mechanism.
Zomba13
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... That's a good point. Don't femsheps boobs also increase as the games become more shootery?
Also, with the whole 'synthetics will kill everyone' thing I honestly don't see how synthetics are any different from organics apart from instead of having sex to make babies they can build babies instead. They function the same as organics, they just want to live. If attacked they will defend themselves but they just want to survive.
If the reapers reasoning was 'we kill advanced stuff every 50k years because eventually you guys will destroy the galaxy because of meaningless war' then fair enough. Could well be true. Doesn't matter about synthetics or organics. From what we've seen in game synthetics are just like organics. It's kinda stupid to single synthetics out as wiping out all organic life but not say, the Krogan, who are a violent race and almost killed themselves.
I don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a pretty interesting analysis of what could have happened in ME3 and an interesting proposal of what should happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
Cliffs of the proposal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&feature=youtu.be
Cliffs of the proposal:
-The crucible docks with the Citadel while Shepard is on the ground in London.
-Crucible does nothing.
-Plot twist is that the Crucible is a trap designed by the Reapers to lure all of the species in a cycle to one location to hasten their extermination.
-Because Shepard united all of the species in the galaxy, overall force is unlike anything the Reaper's have seen.
-Because majority of Reapers are in one location (Earth) unified fleet is able to deal with them.
-Depending on EMS you get a range of endings.
-Shepard and ground forces face off with Harbinger while unified fleet fights above eventually finishing off Harbinger.
-Crucible does nothing.
-Plot twist is that the Crucible is a trap designed by the Reapers to lure all of the species in a cycle to one location to hasten their extermination.
-Because Shepard united all of the species in the galaxy, overall force is unlike anything the Reaper's have seen.
-Because majority of Reapers are in one location (Earth) unified fleet is able to deal with them.
-Depending on EMS you get a range of endings.
-Shepard and ground forces face off with Harbinger while unified fleet fights above eventually finishing off Harbinger.
Ehhh, pretty sure Reaper have no role in them making peace, if it did, quarian wouldn't be stupid enough to declare on war every chance they got
Legion > quarian
BuckRobotron
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Tali is very popular, especially as LI (as with my "definitive" Shep). So much so that producers have even used her inclusion as LI in ME2/3 as a way to deflect criticism of...more recent choices. Also, anything that popular also gets friendly trolling as well.
But then the end would feel too "gamey" in a video game.
It doesn't help that part of the fanbase is a bit insane. I mean, the Tali sweat thing was pretty scary.
No, I wanted to download a .doc, not a webpage.
You're hopeless, Shepard.
SerArthurDayne
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The whole of BSN is crazy. The fact that they are not far off from this thread (apart from a few asslickers here and there) is quite shocking to me.
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ME3 endings. What really happened.
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EatChildren
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No they didn't. Legion explicitly states across two games that only the heretics has chosen a life of conflict, and the geth instead chose isolation, harbouring no grudges with organics. He goes as far as to state peace may be possible if it comes from both sides. ME3 reveals the Geth consensus still remembered the better part of the Quarians, and the only reason they're now at war is because the Quarians thought it would be a smart idea to start one.
Literally the entirety of the Quarian/Geth conflict across the trilogy is the Quarians fault.
Futurevoid
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I'll be in the minority then and say I liked the Synthesis ending. Thought it was a pretty interesting choice at the finale and while you could spend time poking holes at it, I was fine with the higher power explanation of the Reapers existence.
Two points I did want to comment on:
- To those arguing that synthetic and organic life proved it could get along in the form of EDI, etc. and calling that a "hole", the series establishes the Geth right off the bat as an example of the relationship between organic and synthetic life. The Prothean reinforces this with the story of the synthetics in his cycle and his complete mistrust of the Geth and any synthetic life form.
The Catalyst has thousands of years and innumerable cycles of evidence to make the assertion that the two can't coexist. An isolated incident here or there in the form of characters getting along is meaningless in the face of generations of experience. As the player, whether you "buy" into that is subjective. I was fine with it though I can see where some would see some perceived contradictions and why some would be bothered by it.
- i.e. the Reapers destroying organic life to save it being stupid and counter productive. Did folks actually listen to the Catalyst? The Reapers harvest and maintain the existence of those destroyed species. I took it to mean that they are the sum parts or a catalog/record of the DNA for each of the species they have wiped out. In the view of the Catalyst, they are preserving order while maintaining the "uniqueness" of each species all the while ascending the younger species to take their place. An imperfect solution as the Catalyst even admits once Shephard appears to change things....
Those are my thoughts at least and outside of the squad members being on the Normandy at the end (which is a bit of hole), I came away very satisfied with the finale.
Two points I did want to comment on:
- To those arguing that synthetic and organic life proved it could get along in the form of EDI, etc. and calling that a "hole", the series establishes the Geth right off the bat as an example of the relationship between organic and synthetic life. The Prothean reinforces this with the story of the synthetics in his cycle and his complete mistrust of the Geth and any synthetic life form.
The Catalyst has thousands of years and innumerable cycles of evidence to make the assertion that the two can't coexist. An isolated incident here or there in the form of characters getting along is meaningless in the face of generations of experience. As the player, whether you "buy" into that is subjective. I was fine with it though I can see where some would see some perceived contradictions and why some would be bothered by it.
- i.e. the Reapers destroying organic life to save it being stupid and counter productive. Did folks actually listen to the Catalyst? The Reapers harvest and maintain the existence of those destroyed species. I took it to mean that they are the sum parts or a catalog/record of the DNA for each of the species they have wiped out. In the view of the Catalyst, they are preserving order while maintaining the "uniqueness" of each species all the while ascending the younger species to take their place. An imperfect solution as the Catalyst even admits once Shephard appears to change things....
Those are my thoughts at least and outside of the squad members being on the Normandy at the end (which is a bit of hole), I came away very satisfied with the finale.
What is the Tali sweat thing? I feel I must know so that I can denounce some fellow fans of Tali as batshit.
That reminds me of that image that compares Tali with Ashely and how they're both racist but no one calls Tali out on it.
Someone at the BSN started a thread to deduce how Quarians would sweat and how it would taste. Just google it?
BuckRobotron
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I take it that "sweat" business is from BSN or what-not? Not my crowd...lol.
Zomba13
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It's about how everyone who romances Tali in the games gets off over fantasising about what her sweat smells and tastes like.
I mean it's either that or some crazy guy on the BSN started a thread about it but really, which one sounds more likely.
AdmiralSnackbar
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So was that reaper at the end supposed to be Harbinger? It just had the basic Sovereign shape(while Harbinger is more scarab-y but also had yellow bloom eyes. He didn't say anything either, not even a "this hurts you".
Yes, but the reapers saw a pattern that synthetics will try to wipe organics (even if only by organics fault). If the Quarrian/Geth battle isn't enough to prove it, I think of it as a prelude of days to come.
Tali = racist because a strain of synthetic machines exiled and nearly eradicated her species.
Ashley = racist because EARF. FUCK YEAH.
Tali should have received in-game flak for it, but it works as a character trait. Ashley's is just fucking tired.
jediyoshi
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Your helmet also disappears and reappears when you have it set to off during conversations. Dun dun dun.
It's also unlimited when you fire on Dr. Eva and your bullets can disappear in the beginning when you're firing on the first enemies. This must go deeper!
CharmingCharlie
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Don't know if this has been posted but earlier in the thread there was talk about the ME 3 ending being broadcast on CNN. The clip is now up on CNN's website :-
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2012/03/17/new-video-game-reviews.cnn?iref=allsearch
The Mass Effect story starts at 4 mins into the video.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2012/03/17/new-video-game-reviews.cnn?iref=allsearch
The Mass Effect story starts at 4 mins into the video.
Wiggum2007
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Was there any significance to the reapers choosing London to rally? Was the Citadel being used to process humans to another reaper?
Also disappointed that the codex described those reaper slaughter ships but we never got to see/explore one, figured the Sanctuary plot would lead to that. Oh well!
Also disappointed that the codex described those reaper slaughter ships but we never got to see/explore one, figured the Sanctuary plot would lead to that. Oh well!
The one that fucks your day up before the beam? Yeah that was him. The yellow eyes give it away. Hackett mentions Harbinger and a couple others broke off from the fleet and were heading towards London too.
Honestly I don't think this sets up the indoctrination ending, but rather establishes the fact that Bioware has terrible writers.
Disheveled_Zen
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Tali sweat thing? I must have missed something...
SerArthurDayne
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And Shepard should be able to say. So what. Fuck you. Look what we did to fight you, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
The synthesis ending makes the most sense to me. It is the next step in evolution and will ultimately lead to a galaxy that doesn't need Reapers any longer.
And I already countered your first. The Geth never wanted war. The Quarians in their fear started it and didn't know how to end it. Once it was over, every sign pointed to things being okay. Do you have some reason to conclude that it will inevitably end in the Geth rebelling and killing everyone or are you just going to baselessly assert this as true?
With regards to the "solution" you're making a false dilemma. You're supposing that the only options that could possible exist are that synthetics not only rebel, but eliminate all organic life, or kill all advanced organic life every 5000 years. That's absurd. There are any number of other options available. One being that Reapers aren't killers but police making sure nothing gets genocidal. Another should be patently obvious to you because it's already in the game: synthesis. Yet some how star child thought the deaths of trillions was a better plan 'A' when another was right there all along.
The real absurdity here though, is these are just easy ideas that come to us. We're talking about a god-like being way beyond our intelligence and you honestly think they couldn't do anything better than this? That is unbelievably narrow minded.
littleworm
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Also I like how all three of the Starchild's solutions don't solve the issue he claims the Reapers are created to do.
Destroying the Reapers of course ends the cycles and organics will be free to make synthetics that would by his logic kill all organics, but the same applies to control and synthesis. If you choose control Shepard will never kill the organic races, letting organics create synthetics that would in turn kill all the organics, and with the synthesis ending whats stopping the hybrid race from creating synthetics that would just kill the hybrid race?
Once again BioWare found a way to make your decision absolutely pointless.
Also if the reapers are so concerned about this, why didn't they just take up the role of galactic peacekeepers? War starts up between organics and robots, show up and enforce peace?
Destroying the Reapers of course ends the cycles and organics will be free to make synthetics that would by his logic kill all organics, but the same applies to control and synthesis. If you choose control Shepard will never kill the organic races, letting organics create synthetics that would in turn kill all the organics, and with the synthesis ending whats stopping the hybrid race from creating synthetics that would just kill the hybrid race?
Once again BioWare found a way to make your decision absolutely pointless.
Also if the reapers are so concerned about this, why didn't they just take up the role of galactic peacekeepers? War starts up between organics and robots, show up and enforce peace?
Problem with the Synthesys ending is that the reapers had a way to make all life part organic part synthetic all this time, yet they still chose to destroy everything every 50k years.
And when I say "had the power" I mean "it instantly happens, between shepard selecting the ending, and edi and joker getting off the normandy".
I get that the reapers are crazy powerful, but if they can affect all life in the galaxy instantly like that maybe, dunno, didn't really need to go personally to each planet to absorb people.
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