Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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C'mon people, we need to get away from indoc theory for a while.

New topic: How could BioWare have improved Kai Leng?

By actually introducing him in 1 or 2, or hell, even the start of 3, showing things happening with him as catalyst. Not just have a few stupid "cool" rigged fights with him as the ultimate Mary Sue and Shepard as a bumbling idiot. Actually giving him a real personality would be nice too.
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.
 
you don't even know what that's from do you
I know where it's from and despite digging Gurren Lagann I can't stand to watch this. It's like trying to, I dunno, throw a hamburger into a bowl of Ramen or something. You may like both individually but combined like that all you get is a disgusting mess.
 
Its Groundhog Day up in this thread. Round and round we go. Indoctrinated agent detected.

I am going to kidnap Mac Walters tomorrow and see if it will end this nightmare.

Wouldn't it be funny if it's your destiny to convince Mac Walters to change the ending before 12 midnight.
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.
Give it time :3
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.

Don't worry the nightmare takes one to two days to sink in. You can start from the first page. :p
 
Those colonies and stations and fuel depots are kind of screwed though.

If its a colony that solely depended on offworld supplies, yeah. Garden plants like Eden Prime, should be ok. Live off the planet.

No one would escape being affected by the mass relays destruction, but it wouldn't mean the end of everything.

Unless the relays killed everyone, like it was in Arrival. Then it's ThePriceIsRight_LoseHorn.wav time
 
I like how the entire objective of the Mass Effect games have been to prevent galactic civilization from being obliterated and massacred, when what Shepard ends up doing is basically enforcing a galactic dark age, as claimed by the writers themselves. It makes it really hard to return to ME1 and 2 when you know the last 10 minutes undo everything Shepard strives for.

Additionally, the whole "overcoming the odds" and "fighting for survival despite evidence to the contrary" themes in ME1+2 (and even 3) are completely negated and thrown away as soon as Space Kid shows up. I seriously think Mac Walters or whoever wrote and designed this ending have never ever played or read anything about Mass Effect. It goes against everything.
 
I like how the entire objective of the Mass Effect games have been to prevent galactic civilization from being obliterated and massacred, when what Shepard ends up doing is basically enforcing a galactic dark age, as claimed by the writers themselves. It makes it really hard to return to ME1 and 2 when you know the last 10 minutes undo everything Shepard strives for.

Additionally, the whole "overcoming the odds" and "fighting for survival despite evidence to the contrary" themes in ME1+2 (and even 3) are completely negated and thrown away as soon as Space Kid shows up. I seriously think Mac Walters or whoever wrote and designed this ending have never ever played or read anything about Mass Effect. It goes against everything.

Hell, SpaceKid's reaper guidelines ran opposite against Sovereign's message in ME1. Sovereign wants to kill you because of your organic flesh. Period.
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.

Exactly what I was thinking after finishing it. Then.... it happened.
 
I think that's called hate.

Which it deserves every bit of it.
But I don't hate it, I just don't care for it.

Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.
Something about a lack of decisions, the paradox presented by the Reapers (they have to kill organics so that they don't get killed by the synthetics those organics create . . . even though the Reapers are synthetic and they are killing organics), you couldn't provide arguments to disprove the the Catalyst's fallacies, that the Catalyst just gives up and throws you a wildcard, the Diabolus Ex Machina, and several other inconsistencies.

Those who are blind to the indoctrination will try to deny it exists by explaining it away with logic!!!!
You may have hope yet!
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.

Yes, that is exactly what the internet is annoyed about, after everything we go through in the games in regards to our actions and choices, all the lore that the ending ignored or threw away, questions that were seemingly a big part thrown out the window or the just the ridiculousness of the ending itself that was pulled out of nowhere because the head writers changed between games and one went with something different the games had started building up.

It was that Shepard didn't skip down with his/her love interest afterwards all happy that is annoying everyone.

I would suggest starting here.
 
I like how the entire objective of the Mass Effect games have been to prevent galactic civilization from being obliterated and massacred, when what Shepard ends up doing is basically enforcing a galactic dark age, as claimed by the writers themselves. It makes it really hard to return to ME1 and 2 when you know the last 10 minutes undo everything Shepard strives for.

Additionally, the whole "overcoming the odds" and "fighting for survival despite evidence to the contrary" themes in ME1+2 (and even 3) are completely negated and thrown away as soon as Space Kid shows up. I seriously think Mac Walters or whoever wrote and designed this ending have never ever played or read anything about Mass Effect. It goes against everything.
Well, when Harbinger, Sovereign told Shepard he couldn't stop this shit they weren't being menacing or badass, now that I think of it.
 

From that video's comments:
Make your own ME3 ending DLC (because Bioware never will):

1. Download this video

2. Convert the downloaded video to bik files

3. Go to ME3 directory\BioGame\Movies then delete the offending cutscene files

4. Rename the bik files you made with the names of the originals and put the newly made movie files in the folder

5. Load up your game and smile as you watch watch the awesome ending

You know what, I bet we could actually do this! ME3 is saved guys. (Now I need a way to purge the kid dream sequences from the game and we are set!)
 
I like how the entire objective of the Mass Effect games have been to prevent galactic civilization from being obliterated and massacred, when what Shepard ends up doing is basically enforcing a galactic dark age, as claimed by the writers themselves. It makes it really hard to return to ME1 and 2 when you know the last 10 minutes undo everything Shepard strives for.
I dunno, it's a "best as you can manage" thing, at least each of these races will (probably) still continue to exist, and eventually develop their own means to travel across the galaxy in a sensible amount of time. Honestly I'd be just fine with it if I didn't spend most of the prior game helping the Krogan and Quarians through their messes, only to take the promising leader of the Krogan with me to Earth and likely a good chunk of the Quarians too. Well, and Tuchanka being a shithole, but under Wrex and Bakara and facing the prospect of not being able to find other planets maybe they'll advance in the sciences to salvage and restore their planet.

Well, I also don't like that they've more or less said they're NOT exploring the possibility of how the civilizations will be thousands of years into the future. This is one of the things I find most fascinating with science fiction, seeing how Earth or the universe can change as a result of actions like this over time, it's what draws me to stuff like Dune and The Book of the New Sun, even though that one's more showing the end point.
 
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Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.

Been explained a lot, but none of the endings reflect the sum of the trilogy. None of your decisions during ME1/2/3 make a difference after Anderson dies. It doesn't help that the ending directly contradicts Biowares own story logic (exploding mass effect relays), or even simple logic (How is Ashley dead on Earth and then on the Normandy all happy with trees?). If you were a player that saved the geth (there are a lot of us), then that whole story line contradicts what starchild tells you, which you never get a chance to express.

I hate to say it, but the indoctrination theory/wish thinking is actually a lot better than the original ending Bioware put out.
 
The Asari and Krogan will be fine, provided they can get enough fuel and have ships that can run long enough and produce food. Salarians though... it's possible a lot of them could reach old age by the time they'd return, so they may as well settle on Earth. Forget how long Turians and Quarians live, but if Quarians have human lifespans they're pretty much screwed into staying there pending a quick, miraculous breakthrough.

Provided the Liveships didn't get blown up, the Quarians are probably in the best position to get home among the combined fleet. Plenty of ship parts in orbit around Earth to fix up their own ships with, a built in food supply thanks to the giant liveships. Sure, a lot of the current Quarians likely won't live that long, but for a species that has spent the last 300 years living on ships, another 100 isn't likely going to kill them.

Turians are going to need some help from the Quarians to get home as I'm willing to bet the Turians don't have enough food supplies onboard their ships to last the decade or more it would take them to get back.
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.
Agreed.

Some people just love to hate.
 
Also, I cannot wait for the Take Back Omega DLC. Just helping Aria get her station, which is heavily reliant on advanced technology and then trap her on it by fucking up all galactic civilization.

1200 Bioware Points.
 
Just finished the game, so awesome.

Not sure why everyone is so pissed about the ending. seemed pretty good to me, the kid explaining everything was a little weird, but other than that I was happy with it.


What was everyone expecting? At the end of the game, you can destroy the reapers, which was the point of the game, soooo mission accomplished no? Yeah, there is other bad stuff that happens with it as well, but it would be kinda boring if everything just ended all super happy and perfect.
It's cool to be pissed off B)
The ends has a lot less plot holes than people are trying to create.
 
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