Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Moaradin said:
Why would there be only 3?
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Well, if you talk to Samara enough in ME2, she says there are only 3. All her daughters.

Now, in ME3, it's 1% of the population, but those aren't the type that can kill. Which would mean they're not really dangerous, just sterile, and thus wouldn't have to live in seclusion, thus there wouldn't be a monastery for them...but whatever. This is sort of nitpicky.
 
Tokubetsu said:
Because they're extremely rare. Something like 1-.something percent of Asari population are born like that.
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They are rare, but there is no reason Samara's daughters would be the only ones. The daughters are just more lethal than normal, but there are a lot more non-lethal ones.
 
WanderingWind said:
Well, if you talk to Samara enough in ME2, she says there are only 3. All her daughters.

Now, in ME3, it's 1% of the population, but those aren't the type that can kill. Which would mean they're not really dangerous, just sterile, and thus wouldn't have to live in seclusion, thus there wouldn't be a monastery for them...but whatever. This is sort of nitpicky.
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Sooooooo why are they ardat-yakshi if they have no characteristics? It's just a bs excuse to have banshees from ardat-yakshis and to lazily slap Morinth into the game at the last second
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
In ME2 Samara says there are only 3 in the galaxy, her three daughters
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Did she? I remember reading something about Ardat Yakshi being sent to live in seclusion. However, the banshees are made from those with latent Ardat Yakshi genes, which I can see being far more prevalent than actual Ardat Yakshi.
 
Who's Samara?

There is only Morinth.

That is, until she became a cookie-cutter Banshee. They should've at least made her stronger than the average one. If she was, it certainly wasn't noticeable.
 
Aren't the non-lethal ones still dangerous? At best won't they still fuck up your central-nervous system, somehting along those lines? Maybe I read that wrong...
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Sooooooo why are they ardat-yakshi if they have no characteristics? It's just a bs excuse to have banshees from ardat-yakshis and to lazily slap Morinth into the game at the last second
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They have the same traits, but their effect on people is less severe then that of Samara's daughters. According to the codex it can be something like leaving the victim comatose or simply really really tired. The reason why they are kept in seclusion regardless is because they become more lethal over time if they meld enough.
 
I'm replying on my phone so I can't do a single post with different reply quotes, but some more thoughts.

What I saw in a couple responses was a desire for every last plot device to be wrapped up. This runs contrary to what epic science fiction needs to be, for two reasons:

1. It removes a lot of the mystery. I think the TV show Lost was saddled with a somewhat unfortunate ending because the writers were trying to serve too many masters. I would have liked it better if they'd ended that show and not attempted to answer every last damn thing that they didn't have a reasonable answer for.

2. For epic sci fi to maintain its sense of wonder, it needs to end on a somewhat nebulous note. If the game ended with Shepherd and pals kicking back on the Normandy with a beer and some laughs, how lame would that be? Nobody wants that shit.

The game ended with the reapers recognizing that all organic life forms might have a shot at a future after all, Shepherd made the sacrifice that mattered, the Illusive Man made a Vader-esque redemption, and we know the fate of Shepherd's crew and the universe as a whole.

I really have a hard time finding massive problems with this ending, and an even harder time understanding the level of sheer hate leveled at it. I have to kick off for the night, but I'm looking forward to reading more of this thread tomorrow.
 
Cheech said:
I'm replying on my phone so I can't do a single post with different reply quotes, but some more thoughts.

What I saw in a couple responses was a desire for every last plot device to be wrapped up. This runs contrary to what epic science fiction needs to be, for two reasons:

1. It removes a lot of the mystery. I think the TV show Lost was saddled with a somewhat unfortunate ending because the writers were trying to serve too many masters. I would have liked it better if they'd ended that show and not attempted to answer every last damn thing that they didn't have a reasonable answer for.

2. For epic sci fi to maintain its sense of wonder, it needs to end on a somewhat nebulous note. If the game ended with Shepherd and pals kicking back on the Normandy with a beer and some laughs, how lame would that be? Nobody wants that shit.

The game ended with the reapers recognizing that all organic life forms might have a shot at a future after all, Shepherd made the sacrifice that mattered, the Illusive Man made a Vader-esque redemption, and we know the fate of Shepherd's crew and the universe as a whole.

I really have a hard time finding massive problems with this ending, and an even harder time understanding the level of sheer hate leveled at it. I have to kick off for the night, but I'm looking forward to reading more of this thread tomorrow.
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You're definitely not understanding why people are disliking it, and are falling into the "people didn't like it because it wasn't happy" trap. But, you'll read more detailed analysis as you actual read the thread.
 
Zeitgeister said:
Nah, I think they're just the reaper-turned Asari. Yes, the game does go for the 'converted Ardat-Yaksi', but I'm just going to assume that's not the case.

Not just because Samara said so, but because genetic manipulation is so damn easy for the Reapers.
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Well it's in the codex for a reason :lol. They simply didn't think much about it.

My main issue with Samara is that her code didn't fit with the working with Cerberus plotline of the second game. It made her a huge hypocrite. When you ask about Justicars on Illium they tell you that they dedicate their life to justice and something like a bribe is an horrible crime that is punishable by death according to their code. She also has no issues killing drug dealers and such but she agrees to work with Cerberus which are worse than all of these. You can ask her about that in her cabin and she simply saiys she heard rumours about Cerberus and want to make an opinion for herself.
 
Vamphuntr said:
Well it's in the codex for a reason :lol. They simply didn't think much about it.

My main issue with Samara is that her code didn't fit with the working with Cerberus plotline of the second game. It made her a huge hypocrite. When you ask about Justicars on Illium they tell you that they dedicate their life to justice and something like a bribe is an horrible crime that is punishable by death according to their code. She also has no issues killing drug dealers and such but she agrees to work with Cerberus which are worse than all of these. You can ask her about that in her cabin and she simply saiys she heard rumours about Cerberus and want to make an opinion for herself.
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She also says directly that's she's holding herself accountable to you as Shepard, not to Cerberus, and that Your actions determine if she kills you afterwards, not Cerbreus'.
 
Cheech said:
I'm replying on my phone so I can't do a single post with different reply quotes, but some more thoughts.

What I saw in a couple responses was a desire for every last plot device to be wrapped up. This runs contrary to what epic science fiction needs to be, for two reasons:

1. It removes a lot of the mystery. I think the TV show Lost was saddled with a somewhat unfortunate ending because the writers were trying to serve too many masters. I would have liked it better if they'd ended that show and not attempted to answer every last damn thing that they didn't have a reasonable answer for.

2. For epic sci fi to maintain its sense of wonder, it needs to end on a somewhat nebulous note. If the game ended with Shepherd and pals kicking back on the Normandy with a beer and some laughs, how lame would that be? Nobody wants that shit.

The game ended with the reapers recognizing that all organic life forms might have a shot at a future after all, Shepherd made the sacrifice that mattered, the Illusive Man made a Vader-esque redemption, and we know the fate of Shepherd's crew and the universe as a whole.

I really have a hard time finding massive problems with this ending, and an even harder time understanding the level of sheer hate leveled at it. I have to kick off for the night, but I'm looking forward to reading more of this thread tomorrow.
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What?! I mean really?
I have a lot of problems with what you've said, but this one stands out. How is being a god damn coward and killing yourself redemption? If he had give Shepard the secret Reaper destruction code that would have been redemption or applying his newly found indoctrination powers on Harbinger to prevent something bad that would have been redemption. Checking out like Saren, because you lack the sufficient will to fight the Reapers is not redemption its cowardice.
 
Empty Space said:
What?! I mean really?
I have a lot of problems with what you've said, but this one stands out. How is being a god damn coward and killing yourself redemption? If he had give Shepard the secret Reaper destruction code that would have been redemption or applying his newly found indoctrination powers on Harbinger to prevent something bad that would have been redemption. Checking out like Saren, because you lack the sufficient will to fight the Reapers is not redemption its cowardice.
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Weird. This is on some odd, "Shepard is really a guy" level conspiracy theory shit. The Illusive Man died at Shepard's hands. Who, by the way, is totally a woman.
 
Metroidvania said:
She also says directly that's she's holding herself accountable to you as Shepard, not to Cerberus, and that Your actions determine if she kills you afterwards, not Cerbreus'.
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Yup she does when she joins on Illium and do her ritual. It's still stupid anyway as she shouldn't join someone affiliated with Cerberus in the first place. Being an avatar of justice doesn't go well with a terrorist organization. To be fair no alien should join Cerberus in the first place but they all did in ME2 anyway. Tali was the only one with a properly written behaviour regarding this issue.
 
Vamphuntr said:
Yup she does when she joins on Illium and do her ritual. It's still stupid anyway as she shouldn't join someone affiliated with Cerberus in the first place. Being an avatar of justice doesn't go well with a terrorist organization. To be fair no alien should join Cerberus in the first place but they all did in ME2 anyway. Tali was the only one with a properly written behaviour regarding this issue.
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Only because Cerberus attacked the Migrant fleet in the 2nd book. Ashley had the attitude that the aliens should've had and she's a space racist! I can only assume that this is a simple copy pasta from Kaiden's script (which I didnt read and don't give a fuck about btw)
 
Vamphuntr said:
Yup she does when she joins on Illium and do her ritual. It's still stupid anyway as she shouldn't join someone affiliated with Cerberus in the first place. Being an avatar of justice doesn't go well with a terrorist organization. To be fair no alien should join Cerberus in the first place but they all did in ME2 anyway. Tali was the only one with a properly written behaviour regarding this issue.
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Hey terrorism is only a matter of perspective :P. Her oath isn't all that different from the logic Thane has about being just the tool and thus he's not a murderer when hired for a hit. She's just a tool for him to use in his fight against the Reapers.
 
Rufus said:
Only in that she's blue and both follow some sort of code. Zhaan is actually a nice person. Samara might as well have had her empathy surgically removed.
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Eh, Samara was cold, but I still think she was fairly nice. Both Samara and Zhaan have a heavily hinted at horrible/dark/shady past too! Zhaan was only nice because she was already totally done with her "I'm a horrible person" phase.
 
I bet DLC will let ME2 characters accessible from the party menu.

Vamphuntr said:
Yup she does when she joins on Illium and do her ritual. It's still stupid anyway as she shouldn't join someone affiliated with Cerberus in the first place. Being an avatar of justice doesn't go well with a terrorist organization. To be fair no alien should join Cerberus in the first place but they all did in ME2 anyway. Tali was the only one with a properly written behaviour regarding this issue.
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"Cerberus."
 
Empty Space said:
Hey terrorism is only a matter of perspective :P. Her oath isn't all that different from the logic Thane has about being just the tool and thus he's not a murderer when hired for a hit. She's just a tool for him to use in his fight against the Reapers.
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Aliens are so silly!
 
Tokubetsu said:
Eh, Samara was cold, but I still think she was fairly nice. Both Samara and Zhaan have a heavily hinted at horrible/dark/shady past too!
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Yeah, but Zhaan's trying to make up for it in a much, much less creepy way. Part of why Samara seems/is so out there is that wide eyed stare she's got going. Zhaan is like a mom, Samara has gone and cut that part out of herself so she doesn't break down as she hunts down her own children.
 
Cheech said:
2. For epic sci fi to maintain its sense of wonder, it needs to end on a somewhat nebulous note. If the game ended with Shepherd and pals kicking back on the Normandy with a beer and some laughs, how lame would that be? Nobody wants that shit.
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I REALLY wouldn't want that, no, but I'm not sure many here do. But I already outlined what I'd prefer there, and even a more "good" ending should be at least a little bittersweet.
Empty Space said:
What?! I mean really?
I have a lot of problems with what you've said, but this one stands out. How is being a god damn coward and killing yourself redemption? If he had give Shepard the secret Reaper destruction code that would have been redemption or applying his newly found indoctrination powers on Harbinger to prevent something bad that would have been redemption. Checking out like Saren, because you lack the sufficient will to fight the Reapers is not redemption its cowardice.
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While I can't say he really redeemed himself I'm not sure I CAN call that the "coward's way out". That assumes you can actually improve your situation, but with indoctrination it can literally be a moment of lucidity before they once again lost themselves, in which case it's more they're actively preventing themselves from being more of a threat than they already are. Seems you need something like the Thorian mind control/link to overrule indoctrination.
 
How the hell are they even going to do DLC, btw? We're all counting on that to fix everything, but...how?

Everything that made the series is destroyed. There is to "mass effect."

Like, pulling something out of their ass where they find out that the Reapers had built in mass effect relays and they put one together one by Earth and a mini one to drop off at Jungle Planet X to rescue your magically-teleported love interest and Joker and EDI?

I mean, what else is there, really? The Citadel is scrap. Shepard is gone. Normany gone. Everybody you know from the series, dead.
 
Eusis said:
I REALLY wouldn't want that, no, but I'm not sure many here do. But I already outlined what I'd prefer there, and even a more "good" ending should be at least a little bittersweet.

While I can't say he really redeemed himself I'm not sure I CAN call that the "coward's way out". That assumes you can actually improve your situation, but with indoctrination it can literally be a moment of lucidity before they once again lost themselves, in which case it's more they're actively preventing themselves from being more of a threat than they already are. Seems you need something like the Thorian mind control/link to overrule indoctrination.
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Yea, I believe it's been firmly established that organics can NEVER actually get over been indoctrinated. You'll forever hear/see reapers in your dreams etc etc. Everyone ends up either killing themselves from the madness, or becoming some kind of terrorist and dead by cop/law enforcement etc. Almost everyone you "saved" after being indoctrinated in ME1 ended up like this IIRC. You get some emails/news reports on it in ME3. Like if you saved that Asari commando. That one colony was only fine because of the thorian guard influence still lingering ALONG with the indoctrination and they were linking their minds like geth.
 
WanderingWind said:
How the hell are they even going to do DLC, btw? We're all counting on that to fix everything, but...how?

Everything that made the series is destroyed. There is to "mass effect."

Like, pulling something out of their ass where they find out that the Reapers had built in mass effect relays and they put one together one by Earth and a mini one to drop off at Jungle Planet X to rescue your magically-teleported love interest and Joker and EDI?

I mean, what else is there, really? The Citadel is scrap. Shepard is gone. Normany gone. Everybody you know from the series, dead.
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I feel like we've been over this. They are prolly knee deep in the Omega DLC it will be awful and unfulfilling but most of the whiners in this thread will buy it anyway because they cannot help themselves
 
WanderingWind said:
How the hell are they even going to do DLC, btw? We're all counting on that to fix everything, but...how?

Everything that made the series is destroyed. There is to "mass effect."

Like, pulling something out of their ass where they find out that the Reapers had built in mass effect relays and they put one together one by Earth and a mini one to drop off at Jungle Planet X to rescue your magically-teleported love interest and Joker and EDI?

I mean, what else is there, really? The Citadel is scrap. Shepard is gone. Normany gone. Everybody you know from the series, dead.
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Bioware had previously stated that all DLC would probably take place before the ending.

What's the point?
 
Samara annoyed me because when she spoke all I heard was Latoya Jackson speaking. I'm still trying to figure out if that was the character model.

Anyway first time posting on this forum. Yes, the travesty that was the Mass Effect 3 ending persuaded me that my time of silence was at an end and that I too must hold the line.
 
sTeLioSco said:
so in your game what happens in the whole fleet that is trapped in earth?
everyone is curious.....
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They wouldn't be trapped on Earth with all the faster than light ships they have. There are lots of stars and resourses within reach.

Shepard is dead in my ending, so he'll never know what happened to everyone. Just that he stopped the Reapers and gave those who survived a chance to exist for a while longer, taking out the Reaper Relays in the process.

The part that bothered me was the Cycles explanation, which doesn't make sense in the context of the game, the Geth, EDI. It would have been better if the Catalyst, as a super AI/sociopath product of ancient life in the galaxy, at one time responsible for destroying life in the galaxy, hit a wall in its development, and so came to the conclusion that the kind of organic life responsible for creating it is a good thing to be harvested; so long as it's managed carefully and doesn't create other super AI to threaten the Reapers.
 
Swear to god the other night, I was reading and fell asleep. Woke up in a cold sweat, having nightmares about reaper voices/indoctrination. This ending is so awful, it's giving me night terrors.
 
Tokubetsu said:
Yea, I believe it's been firmly established that organics can NEVER actually get over been indoctrinated. You'll forever hear/see reapers in your dreams etc etc. Everyone ends up either killing themselves from the madness, or becoming some kind of terrorist and dead by cop/law enforcement etc. Almost everyone you "saved" after being indoctrinated in ME1 ended up like this IIRC. You get some emails/news reports on it in ME3. Like if you saved that Asari commando. That one colony was only fine because of the thorian guard influence still lingering ALONG with the indoctrination and they were linking their minds like geth.
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You two might be right, but I still maintain that its more a matter of will. Shepard had been exposed to more Reaper stuff then anybody and he's not crazy. Besides the illusive man was indoctrinated nearly 30 years ago and fought it pretty well until he started to test its limit with those implants and tests.
 
ElectricBlue187 said:
Only because Cerberus attacked the Migrant fleet in the 2nd book. Ashley had the attitude that the aliens should've had and she's a space racist! I can only assume that this is a simple copy pasta from Kaiden's script (which I didnt read and don't give a fuck about btw)
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This is a good point. Ashley/Kaidan do have the right attitude too. Probably because Cerberus murdered Admiral Kahoku in the first game.

And yes Cerberus, are terrorists. It's pretty clear in the first and third game. I mean the second game tries to have you think they aren't so bad but they are.

Her code is silly. Bribing her is an insult to her code punishable by death but asking her to work for a terrorist organization isn't?
 
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