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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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What truth was there?
Kung Fu Jedi
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I'm pretty sure my EMS is higher than that, but I'd have to look to be sure. I had completed every mission that was available in the game and rounded up a sizable amount of hidden items. Haven't played a minute of multiplayer though.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Considering their culture, they most likely started the war with their synthetics.
Counter-productive? That's what I can't get over. If he truly believes that the problem is inevitable, how is shutting down a solution? These are the sort of things a conversation could have cleared up without having to fundamentally change the ending. Fuck, not calling the options 'solutions' would do wonders here...
So why not just call them off? I know, fail-safes, self-preserving after all, Catalys can't actually do shit, etc. I feel like you need to at least hint at something like this to make it believable. Vague is one thing, questionable another. That's where it all breaks down for me. The construction is too flimsy.
Guess what? The reapers caused that. They had the AIs of the Zha'til corrupted and they took over their masters. Man the reapers really are bad at the whole synthetics killing organics thing.
That they are immortal and not constrained by time, while it is strongly tied to our existential being. They are created for a purpose, know their creator, while our existence is a mystery and we are without a purpose.
And this means they will always choose to kill us...cause Javik said they would? Do they all consult "A Guide to Being Sentient Synthetics: How to Kill Dem Organics."
Yes I agree. The annoying thing is that the Catalyst also wasn't necessary. By then it was already clear that the Reapers were there to prune the galaxy once the organics became too advanced and that the ending was going to be control or destroy the reapers. There was no need for the Catalyst apart from telling where the reapers came from. Which is fine, but then why would he give Shepard the option to end it. Overall I liked the ending, or was okay with it, but that was the part I found quite bad. Not a plothole per se, but still annoying, precipitated by the fact that it was unnecessary.
Unless it was a metaphor, which I still think is possible.
heliosRAzi
Banned
First step in stopping synthetics from destroying organics: help synthetics destroy organics.
You could argue that once they attain self-awareness, they are without a purpose as well. Self-preservation takes centre stage as it did with the Geth.
It means they are at least existentially, for lack of a better word, not human. Because of this a threat and also not necessarily bad to destroy.
Technically, all the aliens are also not human.
Its pretty clear the purpose of the reapers wasnt thought out well (likely) and that they switched directions in 3 with them. Cause using the Zha'til and the Geth sorta, kinda is retarded if the star child is to be believe (he shouldnt, that dumb cunt)
And having different cultures, psychology, physiology...so maybe we should kill them just to be safe?
Are they immortal with a clear idea who made them and for what?
WrenchNinja
Member
Kill everyone that's different from you. Or enslave them. That's the Prothean way.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Why would that mean they would want to destroy us?
They are immortal? Funny, I seems to remember blowing up the heretical geth programs. I remember the destruction of their mega server scared the geth enough to look to the reapers for help.
Killing Legion in ME2 doesn't seem to matter though.
Blue Ninja
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Xzibit is the Boss Reaper.
Bioware was lazy with that. Legion should be dead. He had no way to upload to anywhere else at the collector base and enough trauma would wipe out the Legion consensus regardless.
Because we are god and it is only natural to want to kill god. It's what we did.
Immortal can mean that you have an indefinite lifespan, too. That would have implications for any life-form with self-awareness. How do you see the world when time doesn't matter?
...Which just goes to shows that the Reapers work best without an explicitly stated motivation, or at least with some other motivation.
Hubris. But then you'd think they'd be above that. But then Reapers with their ultimate hubris. But then Reapers want to help, actually. But then that's poo, because they are synthetic.
...Which just goes to shows that the Reapers work best without an explicitly stated motivation, or at least with some other motivation.
Its natural to want to kill the master enslaving you. Except the geth apparently, who didnt wipe out the quarians despite having the ability too.
Dark energy would have at least worked better. They started out as a species that realized that Dark Energy would consume everything, and sacrificed more and more of their souls in an effort to stop it until they became what we see now. And to them, what would a few billions matter every 50 000 years when they're trying to save everything, and have evolved to be 'so much more'.
Yes. Not-Legion annoyed me a heck of a lot more than the ending.
Haha, pathetic. Never change, GAF. Has anyone on the internet actually read, like, academic criticisms of film and literature? And since when is the "deconstruction" of LOST an ethotic characteristic? For me, it's a red flag that screams: "I have have poor taste and lack the capacity for critical thinking." I'm so sick of these pseudo-philosophical hacks asserting some flimsy subjective interpretation as intentional and deliberate on the writer's end. No. You aren't more insightful or any more analytic by going against the grain; you're just more wrong. Again, I guess I should tone back my vitriol given the immense reputation of "Badass Digest." I wouldn't want the intellectual prowess of Devin Faraci to crush my own positions.
helios' response, as well as the others -- were from what I read -- solid.
BabeSlayer
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finished my insanity play last night...ending still sucks FYI
If you let Legion upload, for most people they do.
Well, it was either that or let the Quarians fire kinetic impactors at their ships and die. The geth dont want to die.
While not well explained, at all, in the Mass Effect ending this is a common sci-fi trope as the Frankenstein Complex. Used in Sci-fi to represent the fear of advancing technology, it is used to describe the fear that humans (in most sci-fi cases) have that they will be replaced by synthetic life/robots. Then there is the reverse, that synthetic life would logically conclude that it is more advanced than organic life and would feel the need to either rid itself of the threat that organic life might become, or conquer organic life since they would know what is best for it. As shown through I, Robot, Terminator, Battlestar Galactica, and numerous other books, movies, anime, etc.
While it is not expounded on at all in Mass Effect, the inevitability of such is a common theme among the fiction it pays homage to.
lol the inconsistencies just keep on coming.
They should have decided on a definite ending the moment ME2 turned out to be success. Ah, what could have been.
The easy out would be to make it a risk-reward thing. Keep using them, in hopes of developing a solution faster. Or: The Reapers, as immortal and more importantly timeless machine gods would be free of any mundane problem but entropy. In this case it doesn't have anything to do with the relays, it's just about the regular increase of entropy. What else would pose any threat to their existence? The cycles could then either be them trying to improve themselves even further because they've hit a wall. Or it's the way they procreate, replace the ones that get destroyed. Or it's their boot on the intergalactic communities neck.
It's salvageable, definitely.
The easy out would be to make it a risk-reward thing. Keep using them, in hopes of developing a solution faster. Or: The Reapers, as immortal and more importantly timeless machine gods would be free of any mundane problem but entropy. In this case it doesn't have anything to do with the relays, it's just about the regular increase of entropy. What else would pose any threat to their existence? The cycles could then either be them trying to improve themselves even further because they've hit a wall. Or it's the way they procreate, replace the ones that get destroyed. Or it's their boot on the intergalactic communities neck.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Yes, but Mass Effect goes out of its way to show that synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully especially when you get two of them in your squad. So while that those tropes are present even within the ME universe, the game presents them as like any other race: take the time to understand them and we can get along.
But the solution to entropy is simple. Just ask Multivac to fix it.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Isnt that giving them unrestricted use though? Since only the Protheans even came close to building one and they had the real deal to work off of.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Shit, I dunno.
Ha, yeah. Reverse it.
WrenchNinja
Member
Walters wanted the ending to feel like the first Matrix.
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SEGAvangelist
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Just saw this on BSN. Did someone from Bioware actually say that?
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It's an apparent quote from Stanley Woo:
My God. I can't even imagine the thought process behind that kind of post.