heliosRAzi
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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That's really not the opinion of a lot of people in here. The opinion seems to either be that the ending is terrible but that the rest of the game was good or decent, or that the entire game was bad. That the ending invalidates the story of the rest of the game is not the same as it invalidating the gameplay of the rest of the game, and no one's saying that.
For the record I think it's very rational for people to expect some sort of motivation behind those coming in here going "I don't see the fuzz, it was a great ending", because not seeing the fuzz implies that the person is trying very hard not to understand what the OP to this thread says and what is repeated what seems like every five posts. The discussion used to be about whether the ending invalidated the game's story, the trilogy's story or nothing and suddenly people are coming in here saying it's the best thing ever and one of humanity's greatest achivements in literature.
I doubt this really means anything at this stage but Jennifer Hale says she hasn't been contacted by Bioware with regards to doing any more voice work for what they're doing.
http://m.edge-online.com/news/jennifer-hale-weighs-mass-effect-3s-ending
I'm sure there's a good chance she's already done any voice work that's needed for the take back Omega DLC or whatever it ends up being. Anything else they add i reckon will be non-Shepherd based.
http://m.edge-online.com/news/jennifer-hale-weighs-mass-effect-3s-ending
I'm sure there's a good chance she's already done any voice work that's needed for the take back Omega DLC or whatever it ends up being. Anything else they add i reckon will be non-Shepherd based.
That press release. geez
Considering changing it is kind of a big deal and it certainly wouldn't have been decided the month of release.
Considering changing it is kind of a big deal and it certainly wouldn't have been decided the month of release.
Omega DLC announcement incoming.
CharmingCharlie
Member
Congratulations EA, for once I can quite happily say this is an award they deserved to win.
You just need to be spoon fed everything... JEEZ people, when will you stop being spoon fed!
And if new York times and game informer gave it top marks, obviously they're intelligent enough not to be spoon fed an ending and can appreciate open endings.
It's not a vocal minority. There's literally like 4 and a half people that liked the ending and three of them worked for Bioware.
KingItachi
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It has nothing to do with being spoon fed I find it funny you say that and I suggest you go read the reasons why people hate the ending.
No I am pretty sure it is a vocal minority, I may not think the ending was great but I certainly don't hate it or think it ruined the series.
The retake Mass Effect Facebook Page has 60,000 likes.
Also, this video should be in the OP too now:
http://youtu.be/7MlatxLP-xs
KingItachi
Member
I don't see it as a vocal minority and so what if it is they have a right to vent their displeasure.
Yes and that still is a vocal minority of the overall fans of the game.
Of course, everyone has a right to vent their displeasure or what they liked or didn't like. I am not saying that but to me it's exactly the same type of situation from Mass Effect 2, it was a vocal group that hated the game and would vocalize it.
heliosRAzi
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People say this when they don't have good arguments to make.
And we encourage people to give us reasons why they like it, just be prepared to defend your stance.
It's a good representation, though. Sampling sizes and all of that. Even in this thread, we have a poll set up and only a few like it. Everywhere you go on the net, you will find more people hating the ending, than liking.
Sure, the minority compared to a million copies sold or whatever.
But the majority when it comes to the hardcore games; you know the people that actually post on the forums, and give feedback to the developers. The people that buy the DLC, go to Media Events, and buy all the extra Books and whatnot.
Sure casual gamers aren't complaining, they never do and never will. They play games to be entertained and that's it. Most probably haven't even beaten the game yet, let alone know forums exists to post their displeasure on if they had any.
The hardcore group of Mass Effect fans who have bought and played all 3 games, bought the DLC, interacted with Bioware, read the books, they're upset. There has never been this much of a coordinated backlash over a game ever, and that is saying something.
It's possible but It feels exactly like the ME2 situation where the vocal group was the one's that hated the game and the ones that liked it were quiet.
The biggest thing with the ending that I feel is missing was more information about the world after like what happened to your teammates and other races, I think that's where the DLC will come in.
The vocal minority argument is so fucking terrible and needs to be put to death. The amount of people subscribing to a particular idea or position does not determine whether or not said idea or position is valid and sound.
Only within the games industry and press could such a fallacious argument as "It's only the vocal minority!" enter the discourse.
Only within the games industry and press could such a fallacious argument as "It's only the vocal minority!" enter the discourse.
I was being sarcastic...
Also, the vocal minority for a company usually = most loyal customers. Also, I don't remember the hate for me 2 leading to features from CNN, fox news, or articles from Forbes and the BBC...
the situation has expanded beyond just typical internet rage.
Oh, I agree with you that it was a vocal minority that disliked ME2.
But, seriously, all polls conducted on the endings have shown overwhelming dislike of the ending.
Like, not even close. 90 percent and greater hating them.
Those having issue with ME2 didn't get anywhere near the exposure that this has, indicting that it's probably a much larger group.
I definitely wouldn't agree that everyone hated the ending. But based on what I've seen, I'd say that probably 70 percent of players were unsatisfied with the ending in some way, with a large portion of that group deeply unsatisfied.
More importantly, I think the percentage runs higher for Bioware's core fans.
Exactly!! People find something to nitpick in every game released, but never has there been such a large, unified, vocal group of gamers that are upset with one part of a game. The fact is the ending is BROKEN. There are about six good youtube videos that clearly explain why they are broken, and frankly the loyal fans who like I said earlier, bought all three games, bought the DLC, and bought the extra books and stuff(aka the people that actually give the company money) are upset by it.
Bioware's most loyal fans have turned on them and this outrage over the ending has been everywhere! Games are never on any major news sites. CNN and Fox News are pretty major. Yahoo is my home page and there have been 3 separate articles at 3 separate times about Mass Effect 3's ending that have made it to the featured article section. That's kinda not normal.
LightofRohan
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Oh god. We aren't getting a fixed ending are we? They are just going to put back some of that stuff they took out. Joker fighting of Harbinger, picking up the crew, added dialogue for spaceboy, more discussion options for him. Oh god. I should just put this game out of my mind...
that's true, I am hoping that we get some information from the bioware panel at PAX.
I for one would like some input on why the ending is "good"
Feel free to tell me to fuck off because it's too deep for me, but who knows, maybe you could prove to me that it is good and I'm just overreacting.
To me, the only way this ending is even tolerable is if you think Mass Effect is great because of Shepard. If it's just Shepard's story to you, and you don't give a shit about anyone else then yeah, I can see this ending being amazing to you. Those of us who have actually enjoyed the universe, our squadmates and the other species, this ending does nothing to address what happens to them.
I can probably overlook the stupid space child and his space magic because this shit happens in pretty much every sci-fi. What bothers me is we get no closure.
Feel free to tell me to fuck off because it's too deep for me, but who knows, maybe you could prove to me that it is good and I'm just overreacting.
To me, the only way this ending is even tolerable is if you think Mass Effect is great because of Shepard. If it's just Shepard's story to you, and you don't give a shit about anyone else then yeah, I can see this ending being amazing to you. Those of us who have actually enjoyed the universe, our squadmates and the other species, this ending does nothing to address what happens to them.
I can probably overlook the stupid space child and his space magic because this shit happens in pretty much every sci-fi. What bothers me is we get no closure.
If you only care about Shepard then it's still a pretty bad ending.
Throughout the entire series, Shepard is the protagonist; saving the galaxy, fighting all odds. He is brought back to life by Ceberus because they viewed him as a savior to humanity, quoting Miranda, "If we lose Shepard, humanity might well follow".
Regardless if Shepard is Renegade or Paragon, Female or Male, he/she is a boss and can basically overcome anything. It's Shepard's world and we're just living in it. He is the only one who has a shot at stopping the Reapers. However, in the closing minutes of the game his role as protagonist is stripped away by the star child. No longer is Shepard the boss, he learns he is just a pawn. The kid has created and ruled everything and nothing you've done really mattered. Shepard can't question his logic or tell him to fuck off, the kid forces Shepard into an ABC choice and the game ends thanks to the kids power.
Shepard is nothing but a sacrificial pawn to the almighty child with circular logic that doesn't make any sense. If you were solely a shepard fan, I'd imagine you'd be pissed.
KingItachi
Member
You know as well as I do that sarcasm does not translate well through text.
your right the anger over ME 2 did not get this big, I'm glad it blew up it shined a light for me on certain gaming media outlets.As someone who works at gamestop (lol), from talking with customers the average person who bought the game, thinks the ending sucked. These aren't people who are going to go on message boards and talk about it, or even complain too loudly, but the average person I'm seeing was still dissatisfied.
Anecdotal and all that, but yah.
Hmm that's good to know, thanks for telling me that.
so when is the vocal minority that dislikes Steam going to name Valve as worst company in america??
With the internet you never know anymore.
if you are out of touch with reality,then you never know,sure.....
Nice, Sounds like your definitely out of touch with reality, I don't think the reason EA was voted as worst company in america is because people didn't like ME3 ending.
FYI, the PAX East Twitch.tv streaming schedule was just released, and the ME panel is NOT on there:
http://www.twitch.tv/pax
http://www.twitch.tv/pax
That's dissapointing, I was hoping it would be. Was it announced it was going to be streamed?
its common knowledge that viral marketers that work for a specific company like to derail threads.....
yes the way they handled the mass effect trilogy,one of their important products that went on sale relatively recent,had an effect on the poll....
i dont see BP on the polls this year.
and yes EA is the BP of the videogame industry!
Red Blaster
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Argumentum ad populum going on this beetch right now.
Luckily, ME3 has an objectively terrible ending by the standards of good writing and is hence indefensible.
Luckily, ME3 has an objectively terrible ending by the standards of good writing and is hence indefensible.
I guess the comment from the guy who played Hackett may be false, if she hasn't been contacted.
Since her voice, along with male Shep, is used by The Catalyst, they would need her if they wanted to add more lines for it. However, I bet that BW will release some info about the end on Friday and eventually deliver something after next month.
Consumerist's Press Released specifically cited Mass Effect 3's ending and said they were going to deliver the award to them in Red, Green, and Blue containers.
Why? You're not going to accept anything he says anyway.
In the end whether you think the game has given enough closure is deeply personal. An epilogue where you see how all your actions have panned out sounds terrible to me.
No, I just know I saw some hopeful comments from others here that hoped it might be streamed.
I'm going to physically be there myself, but don't really have the means to record except for a 4G phone (so I could share my connection with someone with a proper camera setup if needed!)
Probably, seeing as there are no legitimate reasons that explain why the ending is good
heliosRAzi
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Because the ending is objectively bad, like all around except for the music. If someone comes up with a good argument, I don't think it would be dismissed outright.
Yes and I read that but there's been alot of anger towards EA before this with online passes and in the past closing down places like westwood. I don't think the main reason for them getting it is ME3 ending.
heliosRAzi
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It's most likely a combination of everything they have done, it's just that with the release of ME3, it really put them at the front of everyone's minds.
Lance Henriksen only voices Hackett, too, according to IMDB. I am starting to think that he mistook the question he was being asked, and was just talking about Omega DLC or something completely else because he would have been recorded for that too if Hackett comments on it after the mission like he does on all the Priority and N7 ones in the main game.
Seeing as you just called an opinion objective, I'd hazard a bet.
heliosRAzi
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Everyone knows that the "clarification" is just going to be an email sent from Kai Leng to Shepard.
Just like that the sky is blue, water is wet, ME3's ending is bad. It's a fact of life.
Red Blaster
Member
The standards of good writing give us an objective measure, ME3 does not come close to fulfilling any of those.
Art can be objectively good or bad. That's a well established principle.