Mass Effect Franchise bitching thread
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Fimbulvetr
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Billychu said:
HH controlled better and the level design was less horrid(see. full of infinite mountains).
I hated the combat sections in both.
Mako combat sucked because enemy AI was so easy to dupe.
HH combat sucked because machine guns are undodge-able no matter how much you maneuver.
Both are reduced to heavy turtling.
The Technomancer
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Right, but...there's still no mission.Jarmel said:
My Internet 2 Cents:
Mass Effect 2 was like Ocean's Eleven in space. Character-based, smaller in scale, sexy and sleek, focused on the ensemble cast of renegades working under the radar. Yes, a lot of the game is recruitment/loyalty missions, but I always thought that was The Point (a desperate gathering of suicidal allies) rather than the actual mission, which comes very late into the game.
The quality of said missions is subjective, but I found several of them entertaining and vivid (Garrus, Tali and Kasumi come to mind). The Terminator boss was indeed stupid, but the rest of the game was fun and the final mission was fantastic right up to that point. I don't let it ruin the whole experience.
I think ME2's focus is a good foil to the big, classic sci-fi of Mass Effect 1. Subconsciously I seem to classify it on it's own rather than as a sequel, which maybe changes my perception of it. It's different, kind of in it's own bubble, and I enjoy it for what it is.
As for ME3, I'm not following it closely, but right now the hype-o-meter is at "mild" and I really just want Deus Ex 3 to come out.
Mass Effect 2 was like Ocean's Eleven in space. Character-based, smaller in scale, sexy and sleek, focused on the ensemble cast of renegades working under the radar. Yes, a lot of the game is recruitment/loyalty missions, but I always thought that was The Point (a desperate gathering of suicidal allies) rather than the actual mission, which comes very late into the game.
The quality of said missions is subjective, but I found several of them entertaining and vivid (Garrus, Tali and Kasumi come to mind). The Terminator boss was indeed stupid, but the rest of the game was fun and the final mission was fantastic right up to that point. I don't let it ruin the whole experience.
I think ME2's focus is a good foil to the big, classic sci-fi of Mass Effect 1. Subconsciously I seem to classify it on it's own rather than as a sequel, which maybe changes my perception of it. It's different, kind of in it's own bubble, and I enjoy it for what it is.
As for ME3, I'm not following it closely, but right now the hype-o-meter is at "mild" and I really just want Deus Ex 3 to come out.
sixteen-bit
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A lot of the Paragon choices are so videogameyBillychu said:
True but they had to be woken up and the only one who could do it was Harbinger so I assume it happened during him connecting to citadel. If he could have woken them up before then he would have done it the first time he realized the keepers didnt do their job.Fimbulvetr said:
Yeah I understand it wasnt the first time but, given the new info on their internal ME core plus the events of Arrival, Harbinger must have had a reason to go to the citadel other than activating the relay and for me (and I know others) it must have been to wake them up.Fimbulvetr said:
Yes but if they are showing the galaxy then we are seeing stars and while we wouldnt have streaking stars we would have some similar effect with respect to the galaxy and the other far away galaxies.Fimbulvetr said:There are no stars in dark space. That is why it is called dark space.
Well unless officially stated elsewhere as far as I am concerned Arrival happens some unspecified time after the main ME2 mission. But I can see your point as Bioware didnt establish a proper timeframe and even allows to play it before the game ends which doesnt make sense.Fimbulvetr said:That has nothing to do with the fact that in Arrival they were less than 2 hours away from reaching the first in-Galaxy Relay, yet after you beat the Collectors(which, I'm guessing, happens more than 2 hours after Horizon
The Technomancer
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Now to be fair, some of those are quite cool. I liked stabbing the guy in the back with the electric cable on Omegatiff said:
NullPointer
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I would've liked it far more if it meant the gunship didn't end up attacking you anyway.The_Technomancer said:
tiff said:
The sooner Bioware's games evolve past binary choice & morality systems, the better they will be for me. Wasn't meta-gaming the Paragon/Renegade meters especially restrictive in ME2 where the player was encouraged to stick to one of Paragon or Renegade almost entirely to succeed in the tough skill-checks during some loyalty missions ? It's been a while since I played the game, and I harbor no desire to return to it anytime soon.
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I just want to say that I like the original Mass Effect a lot more than Mass Effect 2. I found the story and characters more interesting and the gameplay, while a lot rougher, far more intriguing than the generic Gears of War rip-off the second game became. Honestly, I wanted them to shift a lot more in the party control/RPG direction, but they instead went the opposite way and became more of just another shooter.
I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 for its loyalty missions, but it took the series in a direction that I'm not a fan of, and as a result I'm not really excited for Mass Effect 3 at all.
I enjoyed Mass Effect 2 for its loyalty missions, but it took the series in a direction that I'm not a fan of, and as a result I'm not really excited for Mass Effect 3 at all.
The_Technomancer said:
Even if you visit the Citadel or what have you, you can still swap out team members. So if the Normandy isn't going anywhere Shepard might have taken the crew even for something dull.
NullPointer said:
Atleast some of the health is knocked off. I think they didn't want to make that Renegade choice that easy. Everyone would have chosen to kill that guy on Insanity if it meant no gunship.
Mr. B Natural
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Kinda made every character seem mailed in. The question is - how much of an irrational temper DOES goofy looking character A have over character B? Who's the temper-est? Who would be the most clueless without the help of the non-character in the room, Shepard.Billychu said:
NullPointer
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It just rubbed me wrong.Jarmel said:
On my first playthrough attempt (didn't get very far) I didn't really explore during that mission. Instead I pretty much bee-lined it to Garrus and completely fubar'd the defense. End result was a mutilated Garrus.
On my second playthrough this last weekend I took my sweet time. Talked to all the gang bosses, switched the IFF on the mechs, and gutted the Gunship repairman. I also ended up nailing the defense like a boss. End result was a mutilated Garrus.
I wasn't impressed, to say the least.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Lothars said:
All Bioshock has on Mass Effect is atmosphere. Both great games but if your beef with ME is that it's fast becoming a linear shooter...
EmCeeGramr
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john shepard sighed as he unsheathed his energy katana
Fimbulvetr
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lotrfan said:
The game specifically tells us that Saren hadn't handed control over yet, if he had Sovereign(why are you saying Harbinger?) would have just opened the Citadel Relay and everything would have been over.
lotrfan said:
Or to deactivate all the other relays and galaxy wide communication(both things that are controlled by the Citadel).
lotrfan said:
'Cept the game accounts for you doing it before fighting the collectors.
If you do Arrival before completing the game you see the Collector General in a hologram instead of Harby.
Not to mention the mission only activates after Horizon specifically. Why not just put it after the final mission if that's when it's supposed to happen?
All signs just point to them not actually thinking out the time frame.
EmCeeGramr
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at least once they got him on the normandy they gave him a new set of armor and eventually let him use the scar healing machi hahahahahaNullPointer said:
CharmingCharlie
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Fimbulvetr said:
I think that probably has something to do with the fact only half the audience even bothered to finish Mass Effect 2. I will admit I was extremely annoyed that Arrival could be done before the suicide mission. However that was clearly done for commercial purposes.
The Technomancer
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Sorry, people keep saying this: I was under the impression that Harbinger was that Collector who you keep seeing in cutscenes onboard the ship. He's not the Collector General?Fimbulvetr said:
Fimbulvetr
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CharmingCharlie said:
If they didn't finish why would they buy DLC?
EmCeeGramr
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Harbinger is a Reaper who was controlling the Collector General who was controlling the Collectors.The_Technomancer said:
The Technomancer
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Oh.EmCeeGramr said:
Really? That wasn't the impression I got at all, but okay. So was Harbinger out in deepspace, or was he somehow in the Galaxy?
EmCeeGramr
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Yes.The_Technomancer said:
NullPointer
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And please, for the love of all that is sacred, make the ship in Mass Effect 3 (if there is a ship) one continuous area.
No, I'm not going to feed my fish if it means another elevator ride.
No, I'm not going to feed my fish if it means another elevator ride.
Fimbulvetr
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Jarmel said:
Wouldn't this logic only work if they were somehow able to play Arrival without touching ME2?
Also because they heard the second game was better than the first? Or because they only own a PS3?
AcceptableGhost
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I still can't get over this weird cult of ME1 this site has, it was a really shitty action rpg gameplay wise and had average writing and lots of technical problems. When ME3 comes out (unless they pull some DA2 shit), it will probably be full of people absolutely loving the game.
I don't quite get complaints either because ME3 CANNOT have less RPG elements than ME2 because ME2 had ALMOST NONE. Honestly making the combat even better should be a priority, whether it is through meta rpg depth or actually making the combat scenarios better. It's obvious that the dialogue system is going to be the exact same because Bioware thinks ACTION GAMEPLAY + DIALOGUE WHEEL is the future of RPGs. If you want to play a game with stilted shooting and barren planets to explore, Mass Effect 1 still exists. I love it when companies do radically different sequels, as long as the game is quality.
I don't quite get complaints either because ME3 CANNOT have less RPG elements than ME2 because ME2 had ALMOST NONE. Honestly making the combat even better should be a priority, whether it is through meta rpg depth or actually making the combat scenarios better. It's obvious that the dialogue system is going to be the exact same because Bioware thinks ACTION GAMEPLAY + DIALOGUE WHEEL is the future of RPGs. If you want to play a game with stilted shooting and barren planets to explore, Mass Effect 1 still exists. I love it when companies do radically different sequels, as long as the game is quality.
The Technomancer
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Oh.Jarmel said:
Well that raises a whole lot of new questions. I guess I hadn't fully thought through the implications of instant communication, even though its used heavily in the games.
If the Reapers did not create the Mass Relays, then either they redirected one to point to and from deepspace, or the race that did originally built the Citadel to point to deepspace. If its the former, then why the hell wouldn't the Reapers modify say...a half a dozen Relays and move them to hidden parts of the galaxy, so they could come back whenever? If its the second case, then why would the race that built the Citadel just make a random relay that points to the void between galaxies?
All a moot point of the Reapers did build both citadel and relays, in which case having only a single path into the galaxy that is specifically designed for people to live on is a spectacularly bad idea.
Fimbulvetr
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Jarmel said:
The Normandy is now just one big galaxy spanning elevator made entirely out of smaller elevators.
Jarmel said:
Also true.
NullPointer
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OK, well I've given it my best shot several times now. I guess I just don't *get* Mass Effect.Jarmel said:
Its one thing to have load times - it another thing to have load times in areas where you're expected to travel back and forth often. All of my squadmates should just live in the conference room along with my aquarium, for sanity's sake.
But hey, now we can throw grenades!
IoCaster
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Jarmel said:
You do realize that the probable reason that the result screens were incorporated is because you didn't gain XP for kills during the actual mission itself, right? Each mission accounted for a set number of XP and there was no variability or choice in the linear framework. In other words, a 'streamlined' development process for BioWare and a dumbing down of the eXPerience for the player.
Deified Data
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This. It doesn't help that the collected events of either game can be summed up in a single sentence, i.e. "Shepard, newly revived, travels the galaxy collecting allies to assault the Collecter homeworld". Playng these games is meaningless when you can pull up a wiki.Fimbulvetr said:
AcceptableGhost
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Why does it matter whether I get experience per kill or after a scenario is done? Honestly anything that stops people from ever possibly grinding is a plus in my book.IoCaster said:
The Technomancer
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Except that (almost) all of the main missions still boiled down to "crouch behind these crates and shoot dudes until the cutscene at the end" :/Jarmel said:
The_Technomancer said:
There were a few side missions that weren't like that. One being where you had to run from the army of droids back to your ship in a sandstorm, another being you having to go across this derelict ship, another where you have to deactive some shields or whatnot. As for the main missions, Samara's loyalty mission stands out in my mind.
Lostconfused said:
Wow, that demo was the one that convinced me to get Mass Effect and a 360. I thought the game was broken when I started playing and I couldn't direct my allies...
The first ones combat system may have been flawed, broken and horribly unbalanced but I loved how much choice there was in it and how easy it was to fight how I wanted to fight. The amount of choice in weapons, mods, biotics... loved it.
ME2's system was a lot more polished but it felt like instead of trying to fix the problems of the first one they just removed anything problematic and worked on copying Gears of War. Which seems to have worked out for them but it resulted in a much more simplistic system that doesn't really allow much player choice. I'd've loved to have seen MEs combat system actually built upon and improved.
Yeah I meant Sovereign. I need to play it again but as far as I remember Saren was there to mainly open Citadel for Sovereign to take control.Fimbulvetr said:
Yep that too (forgot about it). But it couldnt have been only for that imo. Well see if Bioware explains this or not (though I doubt it).Fimbulvetr said:
Fimbulvetr said:
Yeah and that is a big letdown on behalf of Bioware.