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[Dreams-Visions]

You can see the President just reflecting the weariness of many people on the consistent inaction on these serious issues.

I feel him, man.

Shit feels bad.

 

[orochi91]

They've beaten all of the anger out of Obama.

Sigh.

Dude's had to give several speeches now, given how many shooting incidents have happened throughout his term.

Poor guy seems tired and drained these days.

 

[UraMallas]

I mean, obviously we ought to wait for the facts. But c'mon. Two people decide to carry out major attacks on gay events within 24 hours and it's unrelated lone gunmen?

I don't see how that is hard to believe at all.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

NYT reporting he did pledge allegiance to ISIS, so this isn't some non religious related hate crime

 

[LNBL]

Nah, I say drop him into ISIS held territory and let them have him. He is Shiite, so let scum devour scum.

You just took this thread to a new low

 

[TheAbsolution]

Ugh, Obama looked like a broken man. He knows that nothing will change. Sad.

 

[RobotHaus]

In a note of positive news: the lines for blood donations are extremely long, some at a few hours just to sign up to donate. Huge amounts of love and support for the city of Orlando from people in Orlando.

We have been attacked, but we will not idly sit and do nothing to help our fellow man.

 

[Codeblue]

Shiite are scum now?

He's saying he's scum for his remarks, but also ISIS would kill him for not being Sunni.

 

[Square2015]

Does the bible say to kill gays like that Quran verse or just that it's a sin? (Sorry idk)

 

[kcp12304]

Obama is just tired of this shit.

 

[Raxus]

It's more like the third one in the past year, at a minimum.

Your right 4 in the past year. WTF.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

So the daesh link is almost confirmed?
Jesus Christ. Can't these fuckers just get a life instead of trying to justify their existence by robbing innocents of theirs?

No it isn't. He called the police and said something, that isn't a link.

Does the bible say to kill gays like that Quran verse or just that it's a sin? (Sorry idk)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

 

[Already Torn]

You can see the President just reflecting the weariness of many people on the consistent inaction on these serious issues.

He's probably thinking in the back of his mind how Trump could be in his position this time next year.

 

[InfiniteBento]

What were you expecting?

I don't know, frankly. Something different.

 

[Arials]

I mean, obviously we ought to wait for the facts. But c'mon. Two people decide to carry out major attacks on gay events within 24 hours and it's unrelated lone gunmen?

Probably copycat crime. If it was coordinated they would have gone in at the same time on the same night for maximum impact (see the recent-ish Paris attack).

The researchers did a statistical analysis of 176 mass shooting events in the U.S. from 2006 to 2011 and 220 school shootings between 1997 and 2013. They discovered that mass shootings were significantly more likely to occur if another shooting that received national media coverage took place in the previous 13 days

ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mass-shooting-contagion_us_5660717be4b08e945fee4d57

 

[Darryl M R]

Was the monster that killed all of these people taken alive?

 

[Brinbe]

That looked like a man tired of having to give these briefings to the American people.

 

[cirrhosis]

Was the monster that killed all of these people taken alive?

Death by police

 

[Heshinsi]

Shiite are scum now?

No not Shiite. He is a Shiite, as in ISIS hate them more than anyone else. He is the scum along with ISIS.

 

[sphagnum]

This is his third(? god I lost count) mass shooting speech he has had to make in the past four years.

I posted this in the other thread but here's a compiled list of statements he's made on shootings, and you can tell that he gets more frustrated and despondent with each one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...11-speeches-how-obama-has-responded/73177526/

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Was the monster that killed all of these people taken alive?

No. Died in a gunfight with police. One of the police was saved by his kevlar helmet, of which there are pictures in the thread of. He wasn't fucking around.

 

[Officerrob]

I don't know, frankly. Something different.

Obama put-up his fight after Sandy Hook, and it went nowhere. He looks tired and disappointed at this point

 

[Audioboxer]

Wish Obama could stay on for another term. Nice message, glad he spoken openly and unashamedly about the LGBT community.

 

[TheFatOne]

Hey guys can I get the crisis hotline number. A friend of mine is worried about her brother.

 

[DragonSworne]

Guess which point is the easiest to address and solve? Banning a religion, banning a viewpoint, or implementing stricter gun control measures?

But my hobby

 

[Jb]

No it isn't. He called the police and said something, that isn't a link.

Ok thanks. I got a notification from the NYT saying he'd pledged allegiance but couldn't find the source on their site.

 

[psychotron]

Such hate in the world. Those poor people, my heart breaks for them.

 

[phisheep]

They've beaten all of the anger out of Obama.

Sigh.

No. I think he trod very carefully to avoid a shitstorm from NRA/Republicans over "politicising the issue".

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Ok thanks. I got a notification from the NYT saying he'd pledged allegiance but couldn't find the source on their site.

Right he called the police and said he pledged allegiance, that really isn't a link to ISIS.

 

[sphagnum]

So the daesh link is almost confirmed?
Jesus Christ. Can't these fuckers just get a life instead of trying to justify their existence by robbing innocents of theirs?

He pledged allegiance to them, that doesn't mean he was sent by them. He's someone who was radicalized by their propaganda without being an actual agent.

 

[cirrhosis]

No not Shiite. He is a Shiite, as in ISIS hate them more than anyone else. He is the scum along with ISIS.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Sapientas]

Nah, I say drop him into ISIS held territory and let them have him. He is Shiite, so let scum devour scum.

Edit: clarified.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Obama put-up his fight after Sandy Hook, and it went nowhere. He looks tired and disappointed at this point

Yep. If the country refused to do anything after 27 elementary school children were gunned down in their classrooms, nobody will give a shit about a club full of gays. Why even get worked up anymore.

Feels really bad.

 

[SaviourMK2]

 

[SolidSnakex]

They've beaten all of the anger out of Obama.

Sigh.

It's because he knows the answers to the series of questions that he asked during the presser because he's had to do this talk way too many damn times

"This massacre is therefor a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. To actively do nothing is a decision as well."

 

[Zekes!]

Excuse me while I go throw up.

Damn.

What horrible news to wake up to

 

[Arials]

No it isn't. He called the police and said something, that isn't a link.

It's a very strong link between the crime and the motivation.

 

[Hale_C]

Does the bible say to kill gays like that Quran verse or just that it's a sin? (Sorry idk)

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, contain the following verses:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13

source

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Obama had good words to say he just sounded like how a lot of us probably feel. Just tired of this shit.

 

[ClayKavalier]

NRA will get a flood of donations following this. Consider donating to a gun control advocacy group if you'd like to help.

 

[Josh5890]

No. I think he trod very carefully to avoid a shitstorm from NRA/Republicans over "politicising the issue".

I hate to say it but it is tragedies like this that could put Trump into the White House

 

[Jobbs]

But my hobby

I need to blow away harmless woodland creatures due to my congenital small dickitis, I don't care how many humans also have to die in service of it

 

[mStudios]

Before we blame religion, said by ex-wife:

“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting.
“He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”

...[She added] that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam.

 

[Coffinhal]

I'm pretty sure every mass murder is considered a terrorist incident.

"Terrorist" has a no real definition and tend to be used politically by States to demonize an (ideological) opponent who may or may not be violent. It's so vague that specialists refuse to use it. Always be careful when using that word or when reading it, it doesn't explain everything but it is very useful to simplify things and prevent analysis.

If we use the common definition though, yes, it could be considered as a terrorist act because so far he seemed to have political reasons (hatred of homosexuals having their place in society) that he wanted to "share" by killing more than 50 people, and knowing that it will strike the news. I believe that saying he was with ISIS could be a strategy to get an even broader audience, taking example of what happened in France, Belgium, Netherlands or the US last year. He certainly knew what he was doing.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

"Terrorist" has a no real definition and tend to be used politically by States to demonize an (ideological) opponent who may or may not be violent. It's so vague that specialists refuse to use it. Always be careful when using that word or when reading it, it doesn't explain everything but it is very useful to simplify things and prevent analysis.

If we use the common definition though, yes, it could be considered as a terrorist act because so far he seemed to have political reasons (hatred of homosexuals having their place in society) that he wanted to "share" by killing more than 50 people, and knowing that it will strike the news. I believe that saying he was with ISIS could be a strategy to get an even broader audience, taking example of what happened in France, Belgium, Netherlands or the US last year. He certainly knew what he was doing.

i see. ty for the insight. but yea, I personally consider every such event a terrorist event.

No. I think he trod very carefully to avoid a shitstorm from NRA/Republicans over "politicising the issue".

he's in the final year of his final term. I don't think he needs to give a fuck about NRA/Repubs being asshurt.

 

[victreeb3l]

Obama sounded so defeated.

 

[Heshinsi]

What the fuck is this?

Yeah, I'm not even posting in this thread.

I added an explanation to my post. I'm not saying Shiites are the scum here.

 

[parmanu]

Gun control is debated fiercely openly and can be (and should be IMO) implemented. But what about the extremist Islamic ideology which is driving millions around the world, unless it is openly criticised and debated I am afraid things are going to get worse.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Good for all of you who apparently never had a bad experience with conservative religious people who read their holy texts rigorously and seriously. You probably never had violent arguments or family breakups just for being the way you are and could live peacefully instead.

Please don't assume that this is true for everyone else just because you have a positive anecdote to share.

.

 

[Maxios]

Very interested in learning more details about the gunman and what exactly he used. I'm seeing some kind of automatic rifle and a pistol.

The rifle was an AR-15. I don't think the pistol's model is known yet.