Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Stabby McSter
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There's a difference between can't and not willing to. Sadly, we fall into the latter category.
I believe he's dead.
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thepotatoman
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If we want talk about motivations, let's remember the motivations of all the other recent prominent mass shooting.
- 14 dead at San Bernardino by an Islamic extremist
- 9 dead at Umpqua Community College by a misogynist white supremacist
- 3 dead at Colorado Springs by an anti-abortion extremist
- 5 dead at Chattanooga by an Islamic extremist
- 9 dead at Charleston by a white supremacist
- 6 dead at Isla Vista by a misogynist
- 3 dead at Fort Hood by man with mental illness
- 12 dead at Washington Navy Yard by man with mental illness
- 5 Dead at Santa Monica by man with mental illness
- 27 Dead at Sandy Hook by man with mental illness
This is terrifying. I hope you calm down and realize just how psychotic this post sounds.
A given currency always looks the same. A gun is not something that is easily discernible with software.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/13/iraq-gays-murdered-militias
http://m.smh.com.au/good-weekend/it...being-gay-in-syria-today-20151001-gjze4o.html
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/09/theyll_kill_me_.html
http://hoosierinva.blogspot.com/2007/10/two-gay-sentenced-to-7000-lashes-in.html?m=1
No doubt your mom is pious. Like I said we should never put Muslims under one brush. But there are obvious problem that you can't just put your head under the sand.
Ask your mom what does Quran and Hadith says about homosexuality ?
thenight11
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Orlando Police ‏@OrlandoPolice 1m1 minute ago
MEDIA: Next briefing on #pulse shooting will be held after @POTUS speaks. Same location, Orange and Grant.
MEDIA: Next briefing on #pulse shooting will be held after @POTUS speaks. Same location, Orange and Grant.
No my Mother was condemning the crime and saying it was awful that they were targeted for being who they are...
NihonTiger90
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Let's not start making these assumptions until we have more on what's going on with the LA arrest.
Highly unlikely. The law enforcement already said they don't think it is and that it was two lone gunmen types.
I didn't see it but my sister did, she says that it was so long that people brought lawn chairs while they waited in line.
Dreams-Visions
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You're right; firearms are the common link here.
Proceed, governor.
that's great. unfortunately I believe blood has a shelf life. donations are needed all year round. I hope people don't just show up today and not come back in a couple of months. The blood shortage is real.
As someone who's been going to pride for years I can't fathom how american lgbt people must be feeling right now. Pride, gay clubs, etc. are often the only places where we truly feel like we belong, to have this happen in our safe places is terrible.
Arrogant Bastard
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Only eighteen of the fifty states require a background check, think about that when you start posting about guns in America. In many of our states you can purchase a gun whether that gun be a shotgun, hunting rifle, handgun, 'sporting rifle'/AR-15, etc. without a single check to see if I have committed a crime. Some states do not even require a waiting period at all. You mad bro about something? Have some money, here you go have a gun. Have a great day!
Holy shit, not even a month ago.
It takes connections sure, but it's far from impossible. You'd be surprised (or saddened more likely) if you knew how many illegal firearms are in circulation from the balkan wars in the 80's/90's and a lot of weapons from World War 2 is still out in civilian hands.
PHOENIXZERO
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That's a lot of shootings but the FBI's definition of a mass shooting, which has been the most accepted definition is when three or more people (not including the shooter IIRC) are killed in a single incident, a few years ago the minimum number was four. The frequency of mass shootings hasn't actually jumped up or anything over the last several years, it's pretty much in line with what its been for decades.
We're not even close to where the gun crime rate was back in the early 1990s, the gun related murder rate is roughly half of what it was back then but both of those can be attributed to the gang violence of the time. The violent crime in the US is still around the lowest it's been since the mid-70s.
It should be even lower but at this point I think the only way anything meaningful would end up getting passed is if some crazy, white, right-wing religious nut makes his way into the Senate (I would've just left this at a single person but that didn't move the needle when Gabrielle Giffords was shot) and opens fire or a maybe a president gets assassinated. It's going to take that kind of event and even then many will probably still deflect the issue into "improving security". Maybe someone opening fire at an NRA meeting and all those people with guns doing jack to really stop it.
Icanplaythat
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EdibleKnife
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Louder for the people in the back. There is a bigger link between all of these and those GOP politicians getting money from the NRA know what it is
This is related to Islam in the same way that abortion clinic shooters are related to Christianity.
They're fringe radicals who take their religion way too fucking seriously and use it as motivation for violence. They're also difficult for the much larger, moderate community to detect and weed out.
What exactly is the point of this post? Was this his Iman?
Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin both stood hand in hand with Christian preachers that endorsed killing gays.
I think its pretty clear religious indoctrination is a large component of lots of homophobia.
JetBlackPanda
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That's even worse to be honest.
Yeah, but if two incidents like this happened on another day, it would almost have to be a coordinated attack, whereas attacks targeting the gay community on Pride has a built in motivation.
fierrotlepou
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What does the Holy Bible say about homosexuality?
Don't ask stupid questions.
Try doing research and looking up things for yourself.
It's how you interpret things that make the difference.
The Quran and any holy book written AGES ago all condemn homosexuality. I don't even know what your point is.
The worst thing about this incident is how little this has affected me. I'm not shocked. I'm not appalled. I'm not angry. I'm blank.
Hate-crime, terrorism, mass-shooting, whatever word the textbooks use to classify this shooting in the future, it won't matter to me. This is just another day in a world where such events (that by some estimates are decreasing since the 80's worldwide) have become commonplace. That's pretty depressing.
Hate-crime, terrorism, mass-shooting, whatever word the textbooks use to classify this shooting in the future, it won't matter to me. This is just another day in a world where such events (that by some estimates are decreasing since the 80's worldwide) have become commonplace. That's pretty depressing.
It's less about them getting money from the NRA and more about the NRA using their money to make sure people who support them get elected.
everyday math
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They weren't related according to police.
perfectchaos007
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This is the worst mass shooting in us history according to CNN headline. Holy shit
BreezyLimbo
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This whataboutism is shitty
Both radical Islamists and Radical Christians are equally terrible.
My Mother knows exactly what it says in the Holy Quran and the Hadiths about homosexuality... In end of it all, who are we judge them and to kill them for who they are. Why commit a crime that is equal to killing the whole humanity.
Let God judge them and for us to live in peace. Who am I do anything like that.
My Mother's motto to not to judge anyone nor be say anything bad about anyone as we here on Earth to live in peace. If someone does bad to you then you do good to them and make them realize that they have done bad.
Lovely Salsa
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When will obamas speech begin?
Had ISIS existed when the Columbine shootings happened, I have no doubt those two kids would have pledged allegiance beforehand too. I think it was probably just a convenient, "cool", thing to do.
All should be condemned.
Soulscribe
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Obama still hasn't started his statement? Do these things usually start later than scheduled?
Catholics and Christians are a very priveleged group in the US. If a hardcore Christian extremist blows up something, nobody is going to beat up christians in the next day, nobody is going to campain to ban christians.
It's not whataboutism when it's in response to people saying that Islam specifically is the problem.
Abstrusity
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This is exactly the same as most issues, where you have four sides, two extremes, and the two on opposing sides of the argument that sit down and actually talk and get shit done. The ones that are closest to the middle can generally come up with some compromise, while the ones at the extremes frame the issue for everyone else.
Look at this thread. How many people are calling for a ban on guns?
For what it's worth, both sides (us) ARE the same, but that's not the issue, at all. It's that when someone looks at this argument, it's both sides being as extreme apart from each other as they can be.(NRA and Brady Campaign)
Remember: MOST gun owners, more than is required for it to be a "majority," want reasonable gun control, too. But we all have to sit around and discuss what 'reasonable' means, because otherwise we're doing something stupid like banning barrel shrouds and stocks that make guns more dangerous to operate for legitimate purposes.
The NRA fear mongers ceaselessly using the same tired slippery slope garbage, and any reason goes out the window with that. We want politicians who will be reasonable with this discussion -- on both sides -- but that's not what we're getting...because gun owners -- the same ones that support gun control, mind -- will vote for an NRA backed candidate over the opposing side, because they are conflating the reasonable candidate with the unreasonable "ban all guns!" crowd behind them.
The last time I saw this was the Gamergate fiasco, and both sides were acting in the exact same way. One side would fear monger, riling up the base, and let them loose. The other side would be victims, but would soon start to harass back, all the while conflated with the extreme (your "die cis scums") that keeps the "party" going. In the middle, were reasonable people who saw reasonable issues and solved them with reasonable decisions.
Fear mongering, in any case, is behind all of the problems, here. These people, who would otherwise be on your side, believe the propaganda that you will ban all guns. They'll point to Senator Feinstein, who is on record saying she would have taken all guns. They'll point to comments about how "AR" means "Assault Rifle" or how "assault gun" is loosely defined as any gun that looks dangerous(you know, more than normal), and then they'll take you, who wants some background checks and waiting periods and perhaps some mental health screening and required training, with people who want to ban all guns.
Make no mistake. They are not the same.
But we are. Reasonable gun owners and reasonable noguns who can sit down and try to figure out some things that we can try to pass. More in common than we'd think, by looking at the big picture. That is the state of guns, today.
So when I see someone say "semantics" when I point out the difference between fact and fiction, or someone says something like, "Why should we just let them ban guns, criminals don't follow laws anyway!" when it hadn't come up yet, I know we're already there. So please spare me your proselytizing, and let's see if we can't come to some sort of amicable response to this.
thenight11
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The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 4m4 minutes ago
PHOTO: Hundreds lined up to donate blood Sunday in Orlando http://bos.gl/9BG1VpD
PHOTO: Hundreds lined up to donate blood Sunday in Orlando http://bos.gl/9BG1VpD
the_sun_king
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This is what breaks my heart. I have several gay friends/acquaintances and it's horrible that they have to feel this way during fucking Pride month of all months.
BrokenFiction
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Excuse me while I go throw up.
I was supposed to begin 23 minutes ago.
Arrogant Bastard
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Yes, normally not this late though. We normally have a two minute warning.
Actually, edit. Its starting in 2 mins.
Sad thing is it's super uncomplicated. More guns equal more deaths. Having a gun does not make you safer. There's no logical argument for lax gun laws, or even for allowing recreational possession. The second amendment is no defence- it's a law, it can be changed.
Full prohibition will never happen in the US- guns are too ingrained in the culture. It will be grimly fascinating to watch how this latest atrocity fails to make a dent.
Some interesting statistics on results of gun control. An extract:
And another, from the Vox link above:
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Full prohibition will never happen in the US- guns are too ingrained in the culture. It will be grimly fascinating to watch how this latest atrocity fails to make a dent.
Some interesting statistics on results of gun control. An extract:
And another, from the Vox link above:
The common link is guns
The solution to severely stopping mass shootings is in the fucking word mass shootings. Limit the shootings as much as possible. Gun control is by far the most logical solution. After that it's improving/checking on people's mental health.
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