Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]

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The real battle over this won't though vote. They — and I included victories — rarely or never happen in elections, which proves one more that these are a really primitive form a democracy. The real fight is in the medias (social and traditional), in the streets, through associations, education and by people getting together to break lobbies and politicians in a system that promotes conservatism. It'll take a lot more than elections (and that's why even with only Bernie Sanders at The White House there's little to do)

It's a battle that needs to be waged on all fronts I agree, but I'm getting tired of posts from people on here saying "if nothing happened after Sandy Hook nothing will happen now". A defeatist attitude has never won anything in life. Don't complain about it if you don't do something about it.
 
No, and honestly even is homosexuality is a sin in the Bible I challenge anyone to find another event were more than 50 homosexuals were killed by a christian nut or any other religion that is not Islam. You may have to whip out your medieval history books or do some mental gymnastics to include the holocaust.

Err yes it does ppl
Have already posted the Leviticus verse. The rest of your post I won't get into .
 
Can someone explain this? On the Donald Trump subreddit on Reddit and the Fox News comments section for this story, people keep posting "workplace violence" and laughing about it. What does that mean?

This is a reference to the Fort Hood shooting. Obama initially referred to the Fort Hood shooting as "workplace violence". As a result "workplace violence" became a talking point among the right when they want to accuse the left for covering up terrorism.
 
Not true. The only way to get comprehensive gun change to happen in this country is if you can convince America that brown people are putting you in danger. It happened in the 90s, and it can happen now.
Agreed. Upstanding American citizens can be trusted with guns, brown people cannot. Therefore gun control is more and more an inevitability. It may be dirty but now is the time to use the GOPs bigotry against itself.
 
And I hope you realize that you are one of those paranoid anti gun nuts who chimes in and toots his horn. And dont act all high and mighty like your shit dont stink,
I agree with the other guy more.

Yes this is the real take away. If you believe strongly about this shot then vote people into office that can make change happen. And not just the president
My other takeaway is to follow in the example of those who died for being who they are and all of those giving blood and donating snacks right now and just make a conscious effort to be nicer to others.
 
I just woke up a couple of hours ago but didn't see the news of the shooting until about an hour ago. I live about 20 minutes from this place and know some people who like to go there. It's disgusting to hear about this happening in my backyard and maddening that atrocities like this continue to occur on a frequent basis. Makes me sick to my stomach.
 
He's pointing out the irony.

The shooter is supposedly Shiite, yet he called 911 ahead of time and declared his allegiance to ISIS.

The very same ISIS who HATES Shiites, along with Sunnis that don't adhere to their strain of radical Islam.

And herein lies the problem for law enforcement and the security. How do you determine whether such a perpetrator is a genuine supporter and believer in the ideals of ISIS or rather is just some lone nut who's never had any dealings at any level with the terror group and in fact is a wee bit crazy. The recent case of a young Muslim in London who tried to stab people in a Tube station is interesting in that the Met Police said he wasn't a Jihadi, just some random guy who had been diagnosed with a mental illness.

Quite a few Muslims who journeyed to Syria to fight for ISIS weren't "all there" to begin with. If it wasn't ISIS and radical Islam they'd likely be professing their support to some other crazy ideology to latch onto. Rather like the millions of basement dwelling, feminist hating MRA's who've latched onto Trump. It's someone they can identify with. If it wasn't him they'd be supporting someone else.
 
No, and honestly even is homosexuality is a sin in the Bible I challenge anyone to find another event were more than 50 homosexuals were killed by a christian nut or any other religion that is not Islam. You may have to whip out your medieval history books or do some mental gymnastics to include the holocaust.

What about the countless LGBT suicides that were and continue to be instigated by Christians? Do they not count?

Christian extremists may not go out and murder LGBT people outright but they sure as hell go out of their way to make them wish they were dead.
 
Before we blame religion, said by ex-wife:

Why not?

Sahih International: Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Quran 4:34
 
And I hope you realize that you are one of those paranoid anti gun nuts who chimes in and toots his horn. And dont act all high and mighty like your shit dont stink,

Don't try and shame people who don't own guns.

If you honestly feel so bad about owning guns, then maybe you should get rid of them?
 
I really wish people would take 24 hours, or at least 12, to let the dead rest in peace.

But no, we immediately gotta turn it into a gun issue or Islam issue and let everyone on Facebook now our political agenda for the billionth time, because we are obviously all eagerly awaiting to...again.

Fighting hate with hate is not the solution.
 
Sandy Hook was the point of no return for this country. It's my view that literally nothing will convince certain Americans and the GOP to make changes to our current system. We could have a gunman go into an office building and slaughter 500 people and nothing would be done.

That is generally correct, in my opinion. Half of the talking heads would go on rants about how "if only some of those office workers had been concealed carrying..."

We have a media problem and a gun glorification problem that stretches back to John Wayne. People think they will become Jack Bauer or Jason Borne if shit pops off when they'll really just be a petrified, mistake-making version of __________ ____________ (fill in their real name with their actual regular-ass day job here). Further complicated by the way the media (news) engages local problems (scaring the fuck out of everyone every day and night for ratings). Then you combine it with the reality that people don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves by and large. We live in a completely self-consumed, self-aggrandizing, narcissistic selfie world. Full of petulant manchildren and womenchildren motivated by fear of everyone and everything.
 
I just woke up a couple of hours ago but didn't see the news of the shooting until about an hour ago. I live about 20 minutes from this place and know some people who like to go there. It's disgusting to hear about this happening in my backyard and maddening that atrocities like this continue to occur on a frequent basis. Makes me sick to my stomach.

Hope they're all safe .
 
Reuters World ‏@ReutersWorld 16s17 seconds ago
BREAKING: Islamic State claims responsibility for #Orlando nightclub shooting: news agency tied to group
 
So why won't one of the more liberal states in the union do what NC did against LGBT and just ban guns at the state level?

Push it through and then wait until the the Supreme Court deals with it. Keep pushing it through more and more and keep attacking if.

Republicans do this all the time on abortion, civil liberties, etc.

People will just go to the next state over and buy their guns. So, what are they going to do? Setup inspection checkpoints on every road into the state and implement a border patrol?
 
Not true. The only way to get comprehensive gun change to happen in this country is if you can convince America that brown people are putting you in danger. It happened in the 90s, and it can happen now.

Brown people are already concentrated in all the places with the strictest gun laws and we still have almost as many guns out there as there are Americans.
 
Sandy Hook was the point of no return for this country. It's my view that literally nothing will convince certain Americans and the GOP to make changes to our current system. We could have a gunman go into an office building and slaughter 500 people and nothing would be done.
After Sandy Hook it's clear no single event will make any significant change on gun control. There is nothing worse than that.
However if every incident that could've been avoided with stricter gun laws is rightfully reported and repercussions are felt, I'm sure something will change. I just hope that happens in my lifetime.
 
I really wish people would take 24 hours, or at least 12, to let the dead rest in peace.

People say this every single time and within 24 hours there's already another mass shooting somewhere in America. Now is as legitimate a time to discuss these issues as any.

If there's a reason to wait it's not to "let the dead rest in peace" whatever the fuck that means, it's to gather more information about what exactly happened.
 
People will just go to the next state over and buy their guns. So, what are they going to do? Setup inspection checkpoints on every road into the state and implement a border patrol?


Why not?

It's still illegal for people to bring alcohol from one state to another in certain states, we can do the same thing for guns.
 
Apparently all are impossible so we all retreat to our individual defensive positions, make no moves forward and within a week forget about this incident and wait for the next one next week and start all over.

Guilty as charged, but I'm not going to do that this time. I'm going to make an effort to vote in every election, not just presidential, so that this shit can change. Sandy Hook should've been the tipping point, but I was going through an addiction at the time and was not in a proper state of mind. Now I'm clean and clear-headed, so there's no excuse.
 
I really wish people would take 24 hours, or at least 12, to let the dead rest in peace.

But no, we immediately gotta turn it into a gun issue or Islam issue and let everyone on Facebook now our political agenda for the billionth time, because we are obviously all eagerly awaiting to...again.

Fighting hate with hate is not the solution.
I used to think this way, but I don't think ignoring the thing that killed the dead people is respectful to the dead. Especially during pride weekend, I doubt many of the victims in this case would want us to wait to discuss the obvious issue. You can discuss how this is yet another obvious example of why we have gun control and still get feelings when you hear about the constant ringing of cell phones amongst the dead.

The dead won't be resting in peace while we passively allow what led to their deaths to continue.
 
I really wish people would take 24 hours, or at least 12, to let the dead rest in peace.

But no, we immediately gotta turn it into a gun issue or Islam issue and let everyone on Facebook now our political agenda for the billionth time, because we are obviously all eagerly awaiting to...again.

Fighting hate with hate is not the solution.

Excuse me?

50 people just died. Because of guns and homophobia. Yet asking for it to be more difficult for people like this to get access to guns is politicizing the issue?

I don't want to get shot by some bigoted asshole because he happens to have a gun and really, really hates LGBT folks. Is that really 'politicizing the issue'?
 
Our media is reporting that Twitter feeds of users loyal to ISIS warned that Florida was a target 3 days ago. Anyone heard anything similar out there?
 
Jon Passantino Retweeted
Sheera Frenkel ‏@sheeraf 46s47 seconds ago
ISIS takes responsibility for #OrlandoShooting through the Amaq Agency.
 
Reuters World ‏@ReutersWorld 16s17 seconds ago
BREAKING: Islamic State claims responsibility for #Orlando nightclub shooting: news agency tied to group

Can we quit blaming guns now and focus on our enemy here?

Remember, Paris has strict gun control laws and ISIS still pulled off a horrific attack there.

I, for one, would like to be able to defend myself when the time comes, and I don't want to have to rejoin the military, join the police force or a national guard to do so.
 
You're in luck! Some Muslims are trying to do outreach with the LGBT community; give it time.

Good for them, now get all the mosques to do this. There are also Catholic churches that are open to the LGBT community to but look at the ire the new Pope has gotten for his general stance and they are still seen as for anti-gay laws. It's not a position embraced by the greater religion believers and people seem reluctant to "poke the bear". It needs to be openly condemned, this type of stuff needs to be denounced very loudly and in great numbers before it is seen as wrong thinking. It's easy for those in the religion who aren't LGBT to "give it time' when they aren't directly affected. On the other hand when their religion is accused of being anti-LGBT they certainly stand up and are very loud to denounce that, funny how that works.
 
I really wish people would take 24 hours, or at least 12, to let the dead rest in peace.

But no, we immediately gotta turn it into a gun issue or Islam issue and let everyone on Facebook now our political agenda for the billionth time, because we are obviously all eagerly awaiting to...again.

Fighting hate with hate is not the solution.
If you know the solution, feel free to share. We could have used it decades ago.

People are going to be emotional after the largest mass shooting in our entire fucking history, man.
 
Brown people are already concentrated in all the places with the strictest gun laws and we still have almost as many guns out there as there are Americans.

I mean, if you're talking about Chicago, Illinois is surrounded by states with incredibly lax control iirc.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/02/11-mass-shootings-11-speeches-how-obama-has-responded/73177526/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-XLBcQwmwxn8L5_AP7pRWxA

Obama after the Roseburg Community College shooting:

"There's been another mass shooting in America, this time in a community college in Oregon. That means there are more American families, moms, dads, children, whose lives have been changed forever. ...

"We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg, after Tucson, after Newtown, after Aurora, after Charleston. It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun.

"And what's become routine, of course, is the response to those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation. Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out: 'We need more guns,' they'll argue, 'fewer gun safety laws.' Does anybody really believe that? ...

"And of course, what's also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say, 'Obama politicized this issue.' This is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic....

"I hope and pray that I don't have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences to families in these circumstances. But based on my experience as president, I can't guarantee that. And that's terrible to say. And it can change."

He knew nothing would change and it was only a matter of time. I hope he calls out Congress and every politician that refuses to address the issue. He doesn't owe the Republicans anything and they need to be held accountable.
 
This is incredibly fast for ISIS to claim responsibility, and also incredibly fast for the president to implicate terrorism. There must be some big facts behind the scenes.
 
So why won't one of the more liberal states in the union do what NC did against LGBT and just ban guns at the state level?

Push it through and then wait until the the Supreme Court deals with it. Keep pushing it through more and more and keep attacking if.

Republicans do this all the time on abortion, civil liberties, etc.

Because it won't make it passed the appeals court as a 2nd Amendment violation. The Supreme Court won't even see the case.

Abortion isn't specified in The Constitution, owning a firearm is.
 
What about the countless LGBT suicides that were and continue to be instigated by Christians? Do they not count?

Christian extremists may not go out and murder LGBT people outright but they sure as hell go out of their way to make them wish they were dead.

Yes but that is not murder. The post I quoted asked about killing, but you are right, hell you don't even have to be that much of a Christian extremist to negatively affect the lives of LGBT people. Just slight acts of discrimination can gradually ruin the lives of gays.

Now imagine that in non-secular countries.
 
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