May 20 - Draw Mohammed Day
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Bam Bam Baklava
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SlipperySlope said:
I'm not saying there aren't extreme or angry people there but take away our advanced technology and thin fabric of society and we probably wouldn't look much different, unfortunately.
RiskyChris
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MiDNiGHTS said:
Hm I wonder if there are other reasons they are not 1st world countries besides just "being dumb babies."
Don't really know anything about the middle east so I'm just gonna roll w/ the ignorant thing.
Dude Abides
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Jexhius said:
While a complete list would be difficult that does not mean that we can't draw such distinctions in individual instances. This specific case does not seem like a particularly tough one.
Also, your point about cultural norms, while a good one in general, does not really apply in this situation because the original cartoons were published in Denmark and not, for example, Saudi Arabia. Yet the medievalists rioted nonetheless. And if you argue that modern communications means that there is really a global culture, then that defeats the distinction you drew between different cultures.
While this is a deliberately provocative, and therefore inherently somewhat dickish, thing to do, there is a fundamental clash of values here and some dickishness is better than the alternative.
Bam Bam Baklava
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My bad I didn't mean to say somehow 1st world countries have superior people or something. Lucky is more like it.
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MiDNiGHTS said:
No you're not the one calling 3rd worlders dumb and entirely culpable for their situation. :lol
perfectchaos007
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Shanadeus said:
well there's ANOTHER facebook page against it that has even more members. 71K
http://www.facebook.com/pages/AGAINST-Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/113267462046186
SlipperySlope
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MiDNiGHTS said:
It's not luck. There's a reason 1st world countries are 1st world.
RiskyChris
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SlipperySlope said:
Good timing, opportunistic wars, and the systematic rape and pillaging of the 3rd world are good ways to get a leg up. Why aren't the browns smart enough to catch on?
Man, can't believe Jexhius has the gall to totally ignore our requests for him to remove his offensive avatar!
He was saying that it was luck that, say, Americans were born into a first world country, likewise it was luck that, say, Palestinians were born into a technically speaking third world country.RiskyChris said:
Ewelyn Beatrice Hall wrote about Voltaire's summation on the freedom of expression: I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
And I used to abide by it wholeheartely. But I just don't anymore. It's too carte blanche for me. It has you agreeing to some really profound abuses of it. I'll take it on a case by case scenario personally. It doesn't mean directly that I'm against the freedom of expression when it doesn't agree with me but that I'm not going to blindly defend it. As in this case, go ahead and be juvenile and you should have every right to do so and without worry about harm or injury to come to you. But don't expect me to defend your actions based on some supreme rule about the importance of freedom of expression.
And I used to abide by it wholeheartely. But I just don't anymore. It's too carte blanche for me. It has you agreeing to some really profound abuses of it. I'll take it on a case by case scenario personally. It doesn't mean directly that I'm against the freedom of expression when it doesn't agree with me but that I'm not going to blindly defend it. As in this case, go ahead and be juvenile and you should have every right to do so and without worry about harm or injury to come to you. But don't expect me to defend your actions based on some supreme rule about the importance of freedom of expression.
SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
Nope. (the snide remarks aren't helping)
Think about it a little more. Think a little... deeper.
Jexhius said:
That's not really the point is it? Nobody gives a shit about people feeling offended. This didn't come about because everyone found out that some people got offended and then pounced.
This came about because there were exceptional pleadings that positioned one idea over others, an act that was hypocritically expressed in the censorship of Mo in the South Park episodes. That is predominantly why Mo is getting his face drawn. Islam is not so uniquely special that we have to cater to the wishes of their adherants while being able to do so freely with others, and the presence of such cowardice is a sign that such ideas like 'respect my belief or I'll murder you, your family, or anyone remotely related to the offense' has gained some sense of legitimacy.
The United States has some prominant and powerful Christian lunatics, yet it's still a country where Jesus can be depicted screwing a donkey. The world isn't ending and those that would complain about it are insignificant to truly affect the existence of the depiction or the creator of it. Family Guy alone must have a credo to offend every single group that could possibly be offended.
However, people take special care to not offend Muslims in the exact same fashion because they express fears and concerns for their personal safety.
Not only is this rank cowardice but it immediately makes the same act persecutory in nature to the other beliefs that it has been done to. Pluralism is bullshit and invariably leads to the persecution of some group when arbitrary lines are drawn.
In this respect, Islam has to be treated with the same indifference as is showed to others and a part of that indifference is to show that their religious ideas carry no meaning to those outside of their group.
It is fine for Muslims to advocate that other Muslims live to these rules, but it is not fine for them to tell non-Muslims to adhere to the same handicaps.
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DennisK4 said:
When did I say that those were not contributing factors? Why would I criticize someone for blaming the 3rd world's situation on ONE FACTOR and then go to say that we're 1st world nations because of ONE FACTOR?
lol
Why didn't the industrial revolution help poorer countries?
Edit: *annihilates the native americans, builds country on the back of slaves*
perfectchaos007
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devilhawk said:I don't see a problem with this. How about a nice family drawing of Mohammed and Aisha.
Why is she in a diaper? She's 6 years old not 4 you perv
SlipperySlope
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Ri'Orius said:
Well, that's one difference between 1st and 3rd world countries. 1st world countries don't let stupid riots run our politics.
SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
You're being narrow minded. Like I said, think about it a little more. It'll come. Slowly but surely, it'll come.
RiskyChris
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SlipperySlope said:
Hm yes.
*adds stupid riots to list of reasons 3rd world countries don't have theirs*
SlipperySlope said:
How am I being narrow minded? What about the industrial revolution wasn't lucky or obviously biased towards developed nations? What about foreign intervention throughout the 20th century? Decimating the indigenous population of our country? Lucky wars where we were positioned to make bank?
C'mon, you can't just say "think harder lol" when I've thrown you many reasons we're where we are other than "lol we are just so much smarter."
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Stealing lines from the Joker, huh?
RiskyChris said:
... but apparently the beige, tans and browns from other regions have been succeeding very well lately despite facing the same hurdles of opportunistic wars, rape and pillaging.
Perhaps it's not the color of their skin but their methodology of sticking to failed processes?
perfectchaos007
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devilhawk said:
that's why it's perfect. carry on
RiskyChris
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Atrus said:
Perhaps it is a combination of failed policy and other negative external forces.
SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
So you still think it's all luck and pillaging of the Indians and 3rd world countries?
You keep on pointing to those two things. So, yes, you're being narrow minded.
RiskyChris
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SlipperySlope said:
I am pointing to more than two things. Thanks for reading my posts.
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RiskyChris said:
And 'round and 'round you go.
SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
What else have you pointed out other than "oh, that may have played a role, but they were raped and pillaged man!".
RiskyChris
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SlipperySlope said:
I didn't say it MAY have I said they DID. Lots of things contributed to the power structure of current society, including horrible atrocities caused by our government as well as wonderful masterstrokes of ingenuity and social progress.
Where do you think all your cheap goods come from? "Not raping the 3rd world" my ass.
SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
And there we go again. You're absolutely impossible.
I was asking more of what ideas did you bring into this argument other than the rape and pillaging. The other things were mentioned by others, and you tagged along. But after every tag along, you always resort to the raping and pillaging. Like clockwork. It's a sign of you not thinking about this deep enough.
Say a reason that hasn't been said in this thread yet.
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SlipperySlope said:
I resort to it because it is a MASSIVE REASON for the 3rd world being where it is and us being where we are.
Why are you just fucking ignoring this like it isn't deep?? I've mentioned foreign intervention, domestic intervention (the indians), slavery, "tagged along" on some positive things in American history (as well as explained why the industrial revolution benefited the first world).
Tell me how the exploitation of third world labor is not a concern for why they remain poor and 3rd world?
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SlipperySlope
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RiskyChris said:
3rd world labor? We get most of our 3rd world labor from China. And that labor has helped that country immensely. Who do you think helped create their middle class? Their middle class would be nowhere near where it is today if it wasn't for exports.
Hell, China pretty much exited the 3rd world a while ago, economically. They're the #3 nation in the world now, according to GDP.
And what helped get them there? "slave labor", as you would call it.
RiskyChris
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Why are you using a #3 nation to talk about 3rd world exploitation? It's not like using Chinese workers as wage slaves is really that admirable.
Count Dookkake
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Mo funny, mo' problems.
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2San said:
You're not saying why you're just stating a fact.
Why is a nation 1st world? Prosperity. Why is a nation prosperous? It's in the first world.
Zoramon089
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Bboy AJ said:
Geez, how is it that you're so incredibly dense and unable to see how the two situations differ? In this situation, it's people taking a stand against a religion trying to force their views down on everyone, believers and non-believers alike. It's one thing if Islamic law says a Muslim can't draw Mohammad but it's entirely different if they say NO ONE is allowed to draw him. That's intolerance of the highest level and this is how people are protesting against that
What you're suggesting is to make fun of horrible acts in history just to be a douche.
But, you bring up a good point. Sure it's politically incorrect and in extremely bad taste but if it were done in South Park I guarantee you, GUARANTEE, it wouldn't be censored
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Pimpwerx said:
I'm going to love tomorrow.
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