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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Omikaru

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TomRL said:
But their policies won't actually effect the UK as a whole?
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If they decide who forms the UK government they will! Plus Sturgeon has tried to play what's beneficial for Scotland being beneficial for the UK too, and it seems to have paid off.
 
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TomRL

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MrS said:
Clegg as 1? Don't be crazy, he was awful and spouting his usual line of bullshit. The man fucked over the students and will hopefully lose his seat.

Everybody was disappointing and neither DC or EM were Prime Ministerial imo.
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I was very disappointed by Clegg. And he kept falling back on, and pushing the focus to the Blair years. It's a weak move.
 
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TomRL

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Omikaru said:
If they decide who forms the UK government they will! Plus Sturgeon has tried to play what's beneficial for Scotland being beneficial for the UK too, and it seems to have paid off.
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I actually stopped paying attention to what she was saying because I didn't know if it would even effect the UK as a whole. What do you mean by decide who forms the UK government? ECH
 
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operon

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Farage is one of those politicians who tell you your problems whose to blame for them but offer no solutions. Ed every time he talks you wish it was his brother. Best thing a labour SNP coalition wold be Sturgeon as PM. She won this by a mile. Bennett kills any positive sentiment that the green party attracts. Clegg useless. Wood was good.
 
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TomRL said:
I actually stopped paying attention to what she was saying because I didn't know if it would even effect the UK as a whole. What do you mean by decide who forms the UK government? ECH
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The government consists of whichever persons can command a majority of the house. If the SNP and Labour outnumber Cameron, they can vote his government down.
 
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OriginalThinking

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TomRL said:
I actually stopped paying attention to what she was saying because I didn't know if it would even effect the UK as a whole. What do you mean by decide who forms the UK government? ECH
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In a situation where there is a minority government their votes could make the difference on whether a policy passes the house or not. Then there's the possibility of coalitions.
 
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MrS

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TomRL said:
I was very disappointed by Clegg. And he kept falling back on, and pushing the focus to the Blair years. It's a weak move.
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It was almost as pathetic as Cameron blaming Labour for the global economic crisis at every opportunity. He has had 5 years and that line is beyond wearing thin.
 
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Real Hero

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TomRL said:
I actually stopped paying attention to what she was saying because I didn't know if it would even effect the UK as a whole. What do you mean by decide who forms the UK government? ECH
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They won't support the Tories but they would support a Labour government and according to Sturgeon hold them accountable to their promises
 
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RedShift

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TomRL said:
I actually stopped paying attention to what she was saying because I didn't know if it would even effect the UK as a whole. What do you mean by decide who forms the UK government? ECH
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The most likely outcome of the election right now seems to be a Labour minority government that relies on the SNP to pass Queens speeches and the like. They won't be in a formal coalition but the SNP will be keeping them in power when it comes to votes of no confidence.
 
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kmag

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Average of three polls suggests Sturgeon won

If you take an average of all three polls out so far, Nicola Sturgeon has won.

Here are the figures.

Sturgeon: 22%

Cameron: 21%

Miliband: 20%

Farage: 20%

Clegg: 9%

Bennett: 4%

Wood: 3%
 
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pootle

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dapperbandit said:
Best I could do

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Thank you! Made the whole thing bearable!
 
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I want to see YouGOV's tables, they were so far off ComRes and ICM, who were broadly similar.
 
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TeddyBoy

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Farage doing well is awful to see, his HIV comments are soulless and should be shamed.

Sturgeon was great and I now wish I was Scottish :(
 
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WayneMorse

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-parties-live#block-551db2abe4b0b06bd4eab2f9

Google has been sharing with us the most googled questions through the debate. They were:

Who is winning the leader’s debate?
Who should I vote for?
Who is Nigel Farage married to?
What is a referendum?
Where is Natalie Bennett from?
Can I vote for the SNP?
How do I register to vote?
How tall is Nigel Farage?
What is austerity?
What does Plaid Cymru mean?

And the leaders in order of the popularity of their google search:
1. Leanne Wood
2. Nicola Sturgeon
3. Natalie Bennett
4. Ed Miliband
5. Nigel Farage
6. Nick Clegg
7. David Cameron
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lol @ bolded
 
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faridmon

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MrS said:
Clegg as 1? Don't be crazy, he was awful and spouting his usual line of bullshit. The man fucked over the students and will hopefully lose his seat.

Everybody was disappointing and neither DC or EM were Prime Ministerial imo.
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I agree that he fuck up badly, but he came in terms with that and from his speeches, it seems that he wants to fix it. I do have a soft spot for politicians who apologise and know their mistakes in order to ''try'' to fix it.

But don't worry, I am no Brit, so I can't vote!
 
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MrS

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kmag said:
Average of three polls suggests Sturgeon won

If you take an average of all three polls out so far, Nicola Sturgeon has won.

Here are the figures.

Sturgeon: 22%

Cameron: 21%

Miliband: 20%

Farage: 20%

Clegg: 9%

Bennett: 4%

Wood: 3%
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I wonder how Sturgeon polled so highly given she didn't lay out a single plan for Scotland. All she was saying throughout the debate was "invest, invest, invest" but she didn't outline any plans on where she was going to find this money. We were scratching our heads at the crib!
 
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MrS

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faridmon said:
I agree that he fuck up badly, but he came in terms with that and from his speeches, it seems that he wants to fix it. I do have a soft spot for politicians who apologise and know their mistakes in order to ''try'' to fix it.

But don't worry, I am no Brit, so I can't vote!
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If he has done it once, he would do it again. Don't forget that he campaigned on the policy of not raising tuition fees and then he voted in parliament to raise them. Making mistakes is one thing, reneging on policies you were voted in on is something quite different. The problem is exacerbated by the fact his seat is in an area with a high student population. I think he's gonna lose his seat.
 
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King_Moc

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MrS said:
I wonder how Sturgeon polled so highly given she didn't lay out a single plan for Scotland. All she was saying throughout the debate was "invest, invest, invest" but she didn't outline any plans on where she was going to find this money. We were scratching our heads at the crib!
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From what i gather, it's the £1 in very £100 that Cameron has been diverting to businesses and the wealthy.

Sorry I mean, using to 'reduce the deficit'.
 
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faridmon

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MrS said:
If he has done it once, he would do it again. Don't forget that he campaigned on the policy of not raising tuition fees and then he voted in parliament to raise them. Making mistakes is one thing, reneging on policies you were voted in on is something quite different. The problem is exacerbated by the fact his seat is in an area with a high student population. I think he's gonna lose his seat.
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Oh no doubt that he will lose seats. Not only amongst students, but also amongst the working class people regarding the cuts and whatnot. I just felt he was talking as if he knew he fucked it and wanted some empathy regarding his decisions.
 
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kmag

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Oh I forgot Ed has to go up against Nicola and Nigel without Cameron being there. Bring popcorn, he'll get eviscerated.
 
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kmag

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From the Guardian,

ICM asked respondents – no matter who they thought had won overall – how they thought each leader had fared. Miliband again had the edge over Cameron on this score – by 63% to 35% voters said Labour’s leader had done well, rather than badly, whereas for Cameron the respective figures were 60% to 39%. Both men, however, were overtaken by Sturgeon on this count – 73% said she had fared well. Clegg was said to have fared well by 57%, Farage by 56%, Wood by 54% and Bennett by 49%.
On the forced choice between Cameron and Miliband, perceptions of the debate split overwhelmingly on party lines – 95% of Conservatives gave their own man the edge, as did 91% of Labour voters. This suggests few votes will have been shifted by the debate, and only 10% of respondents said that their minds were changed by what they saw, with Ukip faring best among this small subsample – the preference of 27% of those indicating that their mind could have been changed.
In a series of forced choices, between Cameron and Miliband only, 48% felt the Labour leader “had the better arguments”, against 42% for the prime minister. Cameron, however, was ahead on having “the more appealing personality” (by 45% to 40%) while the two men were tied on “handling their opponents” well – with 45% each.
Among respondents, who were asked to base their view only on what they’d seen tonight, Cameron remained ahead on the “best prime minister” question. But his 46% to 38% edge in the sample of viewers, which has been weighted to bring it into line with the adult population, is smaller than it has been in many past polls.
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Ark

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Anyone know when ITV will have the debate up on the player? I missed it/couldn't be bothered to tune in half way through, and I need to laugh at how we don't have a single party worth voting for.
 
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WayneMorse

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offshore said:
Even factoring in their alignment, the Telegraph headline still made me laugh.
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The Torygraph is really destroying what credibility they had left by being so obviously in the Tory camp.

Even the WSJ in the US has the decency not to put their blatant conservative shit on their front page.
 
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kmag

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#LeadersDebate snap poll (Survation):
Cameron - 25%
Miliband - 25%
Farage - 24%
Sturgeon - 15%
Clegg - 6%
Bennett - 3%
Wood - 2%
 
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WayneMorse

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Chemical Rampancy said:
Labour + SNP looking very likely.
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To be honest I think Ed Miliband will use the SNP + hard left backbencher discontent to jettison austerity and just give up to their spending needs.

It's not like it matters though because if the economy is good in 2020 nobody will give a shit about the deficit anymore.
 
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TomRL

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kmag said:
#LeadersDebate snap poll (Survation):
Cameron - 25%
Miliband - 25%
Farage - 24%
Sturgeon - 15%
Clegg - 6%
Bennett - 3%
Wood - 2%
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Would UKIP consider a coalition with the Conservatives? That could potentially overpower Lab+SNP right? A worrying thought.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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TomRL said:
Would UKIP consider a coalition with the Conservatives? That could potentially overpower Lab+SNP right? A worrying thought.
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UKIP will be doing extraordinarily well if they win more than three seats. Not really relevant to coalitions.
 
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kmag

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TomRL said:
Would UKIP consider a coalition with the Conservatives? That could potentially overpower Lab+SNP right? A worrying thought.
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The SNP could get conceivably get 40+ seats, UKIP would be doing cartwheels if they get 7.

Gove pointblank refusing to rule out a deal with UKIP on question time.

I think Farage hurt the Tories tonight, he'll not win seats but if he stops the UKIP rot he'll lose the Tories more than he'll win.
 
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