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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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I actually thought Bennett was a lot better in this debate than the last. I especially liked her closing speech which summarized the important base problems with the big three parties, and then explained why voting for who you believe in is so important.
I think it was a bad idea for Ed to distance himself from the true left. He's basically doomed us to another conservative government by telling us he isn't going to go into a coalition with the SNP. Hopefully, and I don't think I've ever said this before, that was a lie.
I think it was a bad idea for Ed to distance himself from the true left. He's basically doomed us to another conservative government by telling us he isn't going to go into a coalition with the SNP. Hopefully, and I don't think I've ever said this before, that was a lie.
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The SNP have already said they won't go into a coalition with Labour; nothing to do with Ed. There are others ways of parties working together besides coalitions.
It's just posturing. He doesn't want to look like he's negotiating a deal with another party while the election is still on. Official party line, after all, is Labour is the only party capable of securing a majority government, as Scotland would never vote in enough Tories to let Cameron form his own. They just need to get rid of that pesky SNP.
If the public don't elect Labour for a majority, then all the promises he's made (including the "I won't negotiate with the nats" one) go out of the window. At which point, he has to make a deal, preferably getting some or all of his party's prized policies as government policy. That's how these things work.
It's the difference in the format. The debate participants had to fight their case, the Tories and Lib Dems get 7 minutes each of softball setups in what was billed as Debate reaction (a debate they chose not to participate in) to put their case. They get some of the benefits from the profile of the occasion without any risk.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 8 secs9 seconds ago
#BBCdebate snap poll (Survation):
Miliband - 35%
Sturgeon - 31%
Farage - 27%
Bennett - 5%
Wood - 2%
#BBCdebate snap poll (Survation):
Miliband - 35%
Sturgeon - 31%
Farage - 27%
Bennett - 5%
Wood - 2%
Yeah I did think that that might be the case after seeing him get flak on PMQ's for it.
Dunno, Hague flat out lied which is probably a bit risky.
CyclopsRock
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Miliband gets all the pussy.
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You've been reading too much Daily Mail.
Jesus wept, lol.
Old Staggers Emily conveniently neglected to pull him up about it.
Miles Quaritch
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Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 8 secs9 seconds ago
#BBCdebate snap poll (Survation):
Miliband - 35%
Sturgeon - 31%
Farage - 27%
Bennett - 5%
Wood - 2%
27% even after attacking the audience and showing just little he cares for dissenting viewpoints?
Oh deary me..
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doesn't surprise me, I assume a large amount of his followers would agree that the bbc padded the audience with leftys
Scary how it imitates the US where the right believes anyone against their position is part of a liberal conspiracy
phisheep
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Well, that's easily fixed:
1) form an Economists Party
2) elect a leader of it (that should be a fun start)
3) have all these economists stand for Parliament
4) belatedly hire a non-economist to explain policies to the electorate
5) if you're lucky, enter into coalition with somebody who promises to listen to you
Economists don't get a free pass to bypass this process, same as the rest of us.
the cult of personality is strong, but hopefully the floating voters caught how much of a fucking mug he was being, especially when he flew away into far right cuckoo land when he started attacking the audience
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I was hoping that insanity wouldn't make it across the pond...very sad to see it popping up here.
Let's hope so, the veil well and truly slipped for Farage this evening. I can only hope he's reamed in the press tomorrow.
he's going to get a lot by default for being the only right wing candidate on there. if you're conservative at least he's moving the debate in your direction and being outnumbered makes him more sympathetic even if you prefer tories to ukip
i honestly wonder what the express is going to make of it. the spin is going to be mind boggling.
killer_clank
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the ashcroft poll had him behind the tories but labour were also close.
farage has said he'd stand down as leader if he loses, but who knows if he actually will.
Maybe why he had Suzanne Evans hold the portfolio launch yesterday, to suggest who he would want as a successor should he fail to get in?
Jezbollah
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According to a recent poll he is just lagging behind in a three way fight for that constituency
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...oll-nigel-farage-not-win-thanet-south-mp-tory
IdreamofHIME
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Steven Woolfe said the other day he wanted the job. The party is less than harmonious.
Sky news bashed the Tory rep quite well just before the debate. Must say, it was welcome.
Nigel Dodds on Newsnight, attempting poorly to dodge the fact they are anti-LGBT and pro-death penalty.
Edit: it was a pretty depressing show. The 2 Unionist parties defending their total opposition to gay rights, while Alliance were presenting themselves as liberal for allowing the abortion law to be amended to allow abortion in cases of fatal foetal abnormality (but not for rape or incest). Nationalist parties didn't offer much, but at least they didn't embarrass themselves.
Phil Flanagan ‏@PhilFlanagan
Asked about LGBT rights, Tom Elliott starts to talk about 'them being allowed their own living standards.'
Edit: it was a pretty depressing show. The 2 Unionist parties defending their total opposition to gay rights, while Alliance were presenting themselves as liberal for allowing the abortion law to be amended to allow abortion in cases of fatal foetal abnormality (but not for rape or incest). Nationalist parties didn't offer much, but at least they didn't embarrass themselves.
Phil Flanagan ‏@PhilFlanagan
Asked about LGBT rights, Tom Elliott starts to talk about 'them being allowed their own living standards.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...k-we-should-be-free-to-debate-it-9669991.html
Farage claims to be against it here, though I literally don;t believe a word that he says. The problem is, if you allow the country a say, the general public will vote for it. Especially if some right wing berk ends up piggybacking his campaign off the back of an Ian Huntley type character.
As a left-wing English voter what I saw of the debate was something of a train wreck.
Miliband alternated between some excellent (and very humanising) swipes at his opponents and terrible political posturing. He missed out on a lot of obvious points (Yes, Nicola, we both hate the Tories, but there's a difference between voting down a Tory minority government, which Labour and the SNP could do fairly easily, and actually putting a strong government in its place) and pointlessly gave Farage ammunition (particularly the "EU army" bit).
On UKIP, very disappointed that he and Wood stooped to Farage's level and used distorted half-truths and scaremongering to attack UKIP. The insurance quote would have been more of a zinger if it hadn't been pulled out to distract from Miliband's own failings and if "we will protect the NHS" wasn't enshrined in UKIP's manifesto. (A better argument would be to ask Farage to explain why UKIP want to fill up job shortages in the NHS with foreign nurses)
Dimbleby was disappointing, allowed the leaders way too long to ramble on about stuff unrelated to the question (high/lowlight: "What sort of deal would you do in government?" Farage: "The EU is terrible").
Oh, and as has been said, the idea of the "spin room" was pathetic on all levels.
Positives? Bennett was a lot better this time (although not enough to justify me voting Green yet); Miliband has still managed to avoid a catastrophic blunder. I feel like the debates are a good idea in a lot of ways but the format is still being worked out.
Miliband alternated between some excellent (and very humanising) swipes at his opponents and terrible political posturing. He missed out on a lot of obvious points (Yes, Nicola, we both hate the Tories, but there's a difference between voting down a Tory minority government, which Labour and the SNP could do fairly easily, and actually putting a strong government in its place) and pointlessly gave Farage ammunition (particularly the "EU army" bit).
On UKIP, very disappointed that he and Wood stooped to Farage's level and used distorted half-truths and scaremongering to attack UKIP. The insurance quote would have been more of a zinger if it hadn't been pulled out to distract from Miliband's own failings and if "we will protect the NHS" wasn't enshrined in UKIP's manifesto. (A better argument would be to ask Farage to explain why UKIP want to fill up job shortages in the NHS with foreign nurses)
Dimbleby was disappointing, allowed the leaders way too long to ramble on about stuff unrelated to the question (high/lowlight: "What sort of deal would you do in government?" Farage: "The EU is terrible").
Oh, and as has been said, the idea of the "spin room" was pathetic on all levels.
Positives? Bennett was a lot better this time (although not enough to justify me voting Green yet); Miliband has still managed to avoid a catastrophic blunder. I feel like the debates are a good idea in a lot of ways but the format is still being worked out.
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Sir_Crocodile
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Incredible
QuicheFontaine
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Nooooooo! I really wanted to watch this and forgot it was on last night :-(
Oh well, the last few pages has provided a bit of a summary. Any more debates before 7 May?
Oh well, the last few pages has provided a bit of a summary. Any more debates before 7 May?
Milliband has challenged Cameron to 1v1 him irl, so we might get that.
Jezbollah
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Zero chance of that happening. Unless Dave has Ax, Smash and Crush in his corner.
In other news: "IMF has praised the UK economy". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32346214
That'll perk the blues up.
I know
It's why I'd be a terrible politician, I'd have ignored anyone telling me otherwise and cut a promo on YouTube that probably would have sounded like Kevin Keegan and ending with saying it should be inside a steel cage.CyclopsRock
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I know
You could have entrance music and everything.
Miles Quaritch
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Has he responded to the challenge yet?
I'm thinking he'll just ignore it and hope it doesn't pick up any momentum. He can't really risk giving Milliband any more opportunities to present himself as competent or prime ministerial material.
CyclopsRock
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Milibands been doing WWE style call outs for months now. There was a few-day kerfuffle where people were calling Cameron a coward and then the news cycle moved on. I'd be surprised if the calls gain any sort of traction.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, now that you mention it, I do vaguely recall some stuff about him being cowardly or running scared.
Surprised I forgot about that until you mentioned it...
FlammableD
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They just need to do a Lembit Opek and settle it in the ring. PROGRESS in London will host them, I'm sure.
Spoiler: Cameron loses, the PROGRESS crowd is pretty lefty (they have a wrestler with a UKIP gimmick)
It's not about traction, it's got a bit of news today which helps frame last nights debate slightly more favourably today.
On current polling Miliband probably doesn't need another debate urgently. Arguably Cameron needs something to change the status quo far more than Miliband. It suits Miliband to keep pulling the thread though, because there is no real down side to it for him.
CyclopsRock
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The winner gets to fuck a cheeky girl. Or both cheeky girls.
CyclopsRock
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Oh definitely, I can see why he would/is. I just mean I don't think there's any way it'll actually lead to another debate.
Miliband needs to do something though, doesn't he? Or we'll likely end up with another Tory / Liberal coalition?
Sir_Crocodile
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Tough to call at the moment, I'd say Lab/SNP is somewhat more likely
Jezbollah
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Amazing. A UKIP gimmick wrestler + Jimmy Havok on the same card.
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