It's like the Tories can't understand that the Scottish people are voting for a party that represents their interests and cry foul that they don't have complete control of the island. I know a few folk who voted against independence who will vote for the SNP this election (and they voted SNP in the last). One of them is even English ffs. Actually when I think about it, quite a few of my English friends vote SNP.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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They would be a minority partner and they'll probably be a moderating and compassionate influence on Labour in the same way that the Lib Dems are for the Tories. I find it hard to be concerned about the prospect of people negotiating for more fairness on these isles.
PJV3
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Here's a reason to vote Labour, to piss off Murdoch
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/rupert-murdoch-berated-sun-journalists-for-not-doing-enough-to-attack-ed-miliband-10191005.html
The Tories will be loving that. Vote for Labour if you want to piss off the Tories.
The rest of the UK doesn't lose it's collective shit when the South East of England votes en-masse for one party.
QuicheFontaine
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Depends who that party is, no? I'd say there'd be a fair bit of shit-losing if the South East all turned UKIP
PJV3
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Is it possible to eject the home counties, that would be a good start. We could airlift food into London.
Miles Quaritch
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The implication here being that if the Tories win, they won't push ahead with the recommendations?
Have the Tories said if they will or won't yet?
There's enough eels in the Thames to do them for 5 years I'm sure.
PJV3
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He seems more paranoid about Ed breaking up his company, he won't have time if he's breaking up the union, plotting to kill his brother and shagging any woman he bumps into.
I thought the tories went very cold on Leveson(statutory regulation) but I'm not sure where they stand.
Edit.
EELS CAN FUCK OFF.
I'm from Manchester originally, I'd rather die.
Hopefully it'll happen. It'd be great to know Murdoch's having a shit time. Although he should keep the Sun. It's nice to have such an easily recognisable 'I'm a massive wanker' accessory so you know who to avoid.
There will be people who want to piss off all three Westminster parties - and frankly, if the SNP have a slice of power after May 7 history will look back on the broken promises of Cameron, Darling, Brown, Milliband etc as the reason why. The promises came thick and fast before the referendum and as soon as the No vote won, it was like they'd all won a mandate to be smug dismissive cunts. The No campaign winning by a sliver was done on trust, that trust was betrayed and now some of those concerned will find themselves working, to some extent, with those they betrayed.
The scaremongering about instability is bollocks though. What exactly do people think they're going to disagree over? Cleggs Lib Dems are living proof of just how malleable a party can be with regard to their principles in order to get some of what they want done. We're not going to see some radical attempt to break up the union. Not after that referendum. But we might actually get a renewed look at our constitution that strengthens fairness, and we will more than likely get a tempered version of Labour's austerity plans which aren't (in my view anyway) all that different from the Conservatives. For all of Ed's bluster about wanting a Labour majority - I'm not sure that many of their supporters care as long as the current lot are turfed out. I haven't forgotten the last Labour government, I haven't forgotten his pathetic broken record interview during national strikes. I trust the SNP more than I trust him, Cameron or Clegg at the moment - and I'm English. I begrudge nobody for voting how they see fit. Fuck dirty Westminster politics, fuck transparent scaremongering. If a new coalition brings about some fairness and much needed compassion I think a lot of people will be all for it.
Sir_Crocodile
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Media % cap sounds like a fantastic idea, but I'm a bit hesitant about some of the Leveson report stuff that might affect the kind of work Private Eye does
The SNP's long term goals would be served by supporting an English equivalent to their own. "English National Party: Positively English", the slogan writes itself.
Major's position here is fucking bizarre.
Q: Are you delegitimising the choice of voters?
Major says the SNP only represent around 5% of Britons. And Nicola Sturgeon is not even a candidate. And yet she is talking about influencing policy for the whole of the UK.
Q: Are you saying the SNP MPs in Westminster have no right to have a say over UK policy?
No, says Major. He is not saying that. But he does not think the SNP is behaving in the interests of the UK because it is pursuing policies that would lead to the break-up of the UK.
Q: Are you delegitimising the choice of voters?
Major says the SNP only represent around 5% of Britons. And Nicola Sturgeon is not even a candidate. And yet she is talking about influencing policy for the whole of the UK.
Q: Are you saying the SNP MPs in Westminster have no right to have a say over UK policy?
No, says Major. He is not saying that. But he does not think the SNP is behaving in the interests of the UK because it is pursuing policies that would lead to the break-up of the UK.
QuicheFontaine
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Looking at a topographical map, I think flooding is a better bet than ejection. Plus that might happen anyway. Global warming innit.
PJV3
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Quickly glancing at UKIP energy policy they don't believe in it, they will be unprepared for the waters. It sounds like a cunning plan.
Yes, we welcomed the large numbers of Pakistan and Indian migrants with open arms back then.
That from the man who consistantly relied on ulster unionists to win parlimentary votes.
You might not have noticed, but the Tories have been in government and haven't made any moves to Implement Leveson. Murdoch and Cameron know very well where each other's bread is buttered.
Miliband in financing drug trade shocker!
(It's generally accepted that Matthew Smith was *so* high when developing Manic Miner)
I wonder if the Tories might have had a slightly more thoughtful approach to the AV referendum if they'd been aware of the imminent rise of UKIP.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Did we legally classify them as animals though?
I don't agree at all with their politics but the fact UKIP could poll 15%+ and only get a handful of MPs at most is pretty scandalous.
jimbobsmells
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This is the kind of thing I would like to see one of the major parties address (and explain):
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/21/ultra-tory-housing-policy-poor-out-of-barnet
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/21/ultra-tory-housing-policy-poor-out-of-barnet
My only objection to the SNP is that I'm a unionist...but frankly if they can help get the Tories out of government, and hopefully force Clegg/Cameron resignations I'm all for it in principle.
I know Labour are basically Tory-Lite right now but hopefully having to work with other parties might moderate that might make them more into the party they're supposed to be instead of the current shower....
So not racist:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ctims-in-sickening-twitter-post-10191755.html
Same, but I think people are going to hold them to the Independence vote being "once in a lifetime" thing. No PM wants to go down in history as the leader who presided over the breakup of the union. Their policies and the like will be the purview of political analysts for the next few decades but losing Scotland would be in every history textbook for as long as civilization cares about current nation-states.
Migrant boat disaster: Ukip candidate mocks victims in sickening Twitter post
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ctims-in-sickening-twitter-post-10191755.html
Same, but I think people are going to hold them to the Independence vote being "once in a lifetime" thing. No PM wants to go down in history as the leader who presided over the breakup of the union. Their policies and the like will be the purview of political analysts for the next few decades but losing Scotland would be in every history textbook for as long as civilization cares about current nation-states.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Just when you thought they couldn't get more desperate
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/21/young-republicans-drafted-us-conservatives-election-campaign
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/21/young-republicans-drafted-us-conservatives-election-campaign
CyclopsRock
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As true as this is, the parties of government traditionally go with the "we represent all of the UK, not just the people that voted for us" angle. The SNP overtly puts Scottish interests above the wider interests of the UK. And this is obviously their prerogative - (if) they win the seats, they can use their votes in the HoC however they like to best represent their constituents. But I think there's a tangible difference there for the person on the street to know that a party with a potentially sizable impact on the government wants to better some people rather than another based on where they live.
This is a non-story. I know tons of labour activists and politicians who helped out in the USA presidential elections in 2004, 2008 and 2012. even very basic grunt work such as cold calling and leaflet delivering in key states.
The countries seem to have an odd exchange program when it comes to political activism!
There's a joke about UKIP in here somewhere.
It's interesting - as someone who favours proportional representation and would have voted yes to AV had I had the chance, it's difficult to argue that the SNP have a "disproportionate" amount of seats when the alternative would be a guaranteed CON-UKIP coalition, judging by the polls. Or perhaps that further proves how broken the system is. Either way.
The problem is less that they're American and more that the republicans are basically cartoon super villains.
Jesus Christ. Why would the Tories pull in Republicans? That's UKIP territory, surely. And wasn't there a bit of a hooha when it was the other way around? Pretty sure it was considered outrageous (and democratically uncouth) that UK activists were campaigning in US elections.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Yeah, I'm sure the people of Britain will be delighted to learn that the best and brightest of the GOP are coming here to preach the good news.
The particular statement isn't racist though. Bad taste and the work of a numpty yes but not racist.
Hang on, I think I know the punchline to this one...
So not a fan of the 1980's Tories then? All political parties attempt to play to their core constituents. Hence while the Tories would cut everything that's not nailed down from the Welfare Bill, they won't touch the Pensions which make by far the biggest portion of that particular bill. The SNP's base is just geographically located while everyone else is just based on various demographics.
The nationalism side of this is overplayed. If it was say the Scottish Greens with 50 MP's and refusing to deal with Dave, we'd still hear the same bullshit about 5% of the electorate controlling the process. Ultimately parts of the English electorate are uncomfortable when the shoe is on the other foot and they're not in complete control of the UK political process.
CyclopsRock
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Well there are reasons not to touch pensions but I concede that there's a fair chunk of politicking. I think it's slightly difference though, because in general when the left squeeze til the pips squeak, they do it because they think it's what the country need even if it is playing to their core (or, rather, their core is who they are because of their politics) at the expense of those who don't vote for them. Likewise, when the Tories privatise (to their mates, natch) and massively cut back the state, they do it because that's the political underpinning of their philosophy - which also hurts the people that don't vote for them. With the SNP, this same process occurs - in Scotland. The rest of the UK are effectively hostages to what they consider to be what benefits the people that elected them in Scotland (insomuch as they'd be happy to hurt the people of the rUK if it meant a better deal for Scotland - after all, they're there to represent them, not the rest of us, which is "the curse" of national parties).
Like I said, if they win them they're their seats to do with what they will - but you can't expect people in the rest of the UK to be thrilled about it.
In other news, this is great:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/i-know-a-cracking-owl-sanctuary#.qoyOqGRadr
Jezbollah
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I wonder if they'll do better than Axelrod did with the two 'Eds.
The borough of my birth. *salute*
TNS GB poll:
LAB 34% (+2),
CON 32% (-2)
LIB DEM 8% (-1),
UKIP 15% (+1),
GREEN 5% (0),
OTHER 6% (+1)
http://tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/no-party-has-made-a-clear-break
On ukpollingreport they refer to this as polldrums. Nothing ever seems to change, both main parties float around the 34% in a death embrace.
LAB 34% (+2),
CON 32% (-2)
LIB DEM 8% (-1),
UKIP 15% (+1),
GREEN 5% (0),
OTHER 6% (+1)
http://tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/no-party-has-made-a-clear-break
On ukpollingreport they refer to this as polldrums. Nothing ever seems to change, both main parties float around the 34% in a death embrace.
Dammit, don't rob me of ALL my hope just yet!
JonathanEx
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Grant Shapps never fails to amuse. He's been banned from Wikipedia, but obviously claims the story is libel.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...kipedia-pages-of-tory-rivals?CMP=share_btn_tw
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...kipedia-pages-of-tory-rivals?CMP=share_btn_tw
I've never understood what makes Grant Shapps so invaluable that some grandees don't sit down and tell him to resign to spend some time with the family. I get he's good at raising money, but it's the Tories, they'd get money easily enough if they had an inanimate carbon rod as Chairman.
Is he wearing tones of foundation in that first picture or just jaundice?
Billy_Pilgrim
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And to round off a glorious day for the labour party, Gove's wife said this
In what is sure to be seized on as a slight on northern voters, Vine posted a comment on a friend's page declaring: "They will unite with Sturgeon - and take power. The north and then Scotland will then leech of [sic] us until we die."
"Might as well just open a vein and let them have it all now. This country will be a communist dictatorship."
In what is sure to be seized on as a slight on northern voters, Vine posted a comment on a friend's page declaring: "They will unite with Sturgeon - and take power. The north and then Scotland will then leech of [sic] us until we die."
"Might as well just open a vein and let them have it all now. This country will be a communist dictatorship."
Whose barnet, and do they have planning permission for the hair construction necessary?
Jezbollah
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That's an election defining moment if I ever saw it.
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