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[King_Moc]

UKIP has no problem with immigration. The problem is with poor people, immigration is just the excuse. This is where it starts. You put an end to them now or you allow them to blame the poor for all the problems. Eventually you will get, ''Why should a long term unemployed person be allowed to use the NHS?'' and nonsense like that.

Eventually? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...aced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

 

[Jackpot]

Farage sacked all the really problematic members, which is the same response the other parties have when their members step out of line too.

They don't like the EU with a passion, they get called racist for it.

What more can he do?

There's been dozens of scandals created by members of all parties over the years. A think a lot of them probably weren't quite as juicy in reality as our press tends to make them out to be.

time to bring out the list.

Smith stood down as candidate for South Basildon and East Thurrock – regarded as one of Ukip’s most winnable target constituencies – this month after the release of a recording of a phone call in which he mocked gay party members as “fucking disgusting old poofters”, joked about shooting people from Chigwell in a “peasant hunt” and referred to a woman with a Chinese name as a “Chinky bird”. He later resigned as a party member.

A Ukip candidate is suspended over suggestions that compulsory abortion should be considered for foetuses with Down's syndrome or spina bifida.

It emerges that a Ukip candidate allegedly described gay sex as "disgusting" and said homosexuals were not "normal" on a Ukip online forum. The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, insists he would not expel members for voicing "old-fashioned" views about homosexuality.

It was also revealed this week that Roger Helmer, the senior Ukip MEP, had previously penned a pamphlet stating homosexuality is "not a valid lifestyle worthy of equal respect". In the leaflet, titled Straight Talking on Europe, Helmer denounced homosexual behaviour as "undesirable".

A Sunday Mirror investigation finds the party's then East Midlands chairman and Lincoln councillor Chris Pain described illegal immigrants as "sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-fucking, ragheads" on his Facebook page

At the start of the year, Ukip councillor David Silvester claimed the floods that were afflicting the country were caused by the government's decision to legalise gay marriage. Silvester claimed David Cameron moved in a direction that was "arrogantly against the Gospel", and would result in "disaster".

Twitter had a good laugh at Ukip's expense after the party's South Thanet branch tweeted its ire that the Daily Politics' choice of location for conducting a straw poll on whether Nigel Farage had what it took to be PM. The tweet said, "perfect place to hold vote in front of a mosque in London". The vote took place outside Westminster Cathedral, the country's most important Catholic church.

Farage said in an interview that people would be concerned if Romanians moved in next door. When asked what the difference was between having Romanians and Germans as next door neighbours, he replied "you know what the difference is".

That's just a selection of gaffes from the last year. "All parties are the same" my ass.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Would you say Australia is racist?

Isn't the point system people like to point to a reworked remnant of the White Australia policy they had in place for decades?

 

[hohoXD123]

This is a terrible, terrible interview.

He refuses to answer any questions, he's just repeatring slogans. in addition he just used the phrase "inside the beltway" - someone needs to tell Ed this is the UK and not the USA. That sums him and his political team up for me.

I'm generally fine with Ed, seems more genuine than David Cameron, but yes that was a terrible interview.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Isn't the point system people like to point to a reworked remnant of the White Australia policy they had in place for decades?

Given that Australia classified aborigines as 'Flora and Fauna' within the lifetime of our parents, I think it's fair to say that they're a bit more racist than the average.

 

[Carl2291]

Miliband is a gamer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Wy4Vh-4bM

Farage is the dogs bollocks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmIHT6J0wc

I like these interviews.

 

[hohoXD123]

Miliband is a gamer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Wy4Vh-4bM

Farage is the dogs bollocks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmIHT6J0wc

I like these interviews.

Well, Magic Miner when he was 12. He's no Frank Underwood

 

[iMax]

Well, Magic Miner when he was 12. He's no Frank Underwood

Imagining a conversation between Miliband and Underwood.

"Is that a PS Vita?"
"Yeah"
"What games does it play?"
"All of them"
"What about Manic Miner?"
"Yes"

 

[kitch9]

Isn't the point system people like to point to a reworked remnant of the White Australia policy they had in place for decades?

They have a point system now.

 

[kitch9]

Given that Australia classified aborigines as 'Flora and Fauna' within the lifetime of our parents, I think it's fair to say that they're a bit more racist than the average.

We here in the UK have never done anything like that over the years.

 

[Gawge]

Would you say Australia is racist?

I would.

I'd also say that the UK is racist, which is why UKIP are picking up so much support.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Miliband is a gamer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Wy4Vh-4bM

Farage is the dogs bollocks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmIHT6J0wc

I like these interviews.

It makes me like them quite a bit more. I feel like Miliband is a good guy but I can't stand the people he surrounds himself with...Farage is pretty rose-tinted but...these "candid" interviews make them more personable.

 

[ferrasvansen]

I would.

I'd also say that the UK is racist, which is why UKIP are picking up so much support.

I think you can exclude Scotland from that, I doubt UKIP will get more than a handful of votes on May 7th. I have to say though the Tories continuing tirade against Scotlands voters and the Snp is becoming very sad, it will end up in breaking up the UK, as a no voter in the last referendum I can say after all the nonsense spouted by Cameron and fellow English Tories I won't vote no next time, why on earth would any sane Scot want to remain in the UK when a large portion of it holds Scottish voters with such contempt, and I'm no Snp voter.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I think you can exclude Scotland from that, I doubt UKIP will get more than a handful of votes on May 7th. I have to say though the Tories continuing tirade against Scotlands voters and the Snp is becoming very sad, it will end up in breaking up the UK, as a no voter in the last referendum I can say after all the nonsense spouted by Cameron and fellow English Tories I won't vote no next time, why on earth would any sane Scot want to remain in the UK when a large portion of it holds Scottish voters with such contempt, and I'm no Snp voter.

Mmhmm, except for that Scottish MEP.

Anyway, I'm not sure why you're replying seriously to someone who seriously says "I think the UK is racist".

 

[ferrasvansen]

Mmhmm, except for that Scottish MEP.

Anyway, I'm not sure why you're replying seriously to someone who seriously says "I think the UK is racist".

There is always one who sneaks through, besides with the usual pathetic turnout anyone can get elected as an MEP. I just felt like saying something about the situation whether he was serious or not. Kinda frustrated at all this anti Scottish sentiment going around, considering I always had so many English friends and this stoking of English and Scottish angst is very unpleasant, but no surprise from the nasty party I suppose.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I think you can exclude Scotland from that, I doubt UKIP will get more than a handful of votes on May 7th. I have to say though the Tories continuing tirade against Scotlands voters and the Snp is becoming very sad, it will end up in breaking up the UK, as a no voter in the last referendum I can say after all the nonsense spouted by Cameron and fellow English Tories I won't vote no next time, why on earth would any sane Scot want to remain in the UK when a large portion of it holds Scottish voters with such contempt, and I'm no Snp voter.

Because it'll be in a financial black hole, one imagines. Beyond that, I'm sympathetic to the idea of smaller countries with closer centers of democracy, I think it ensures more people get the government they want. This is why in general I support devolution and localism, and don't particularly like ceding powers to supernational institutions. But it's hard to make a case for independence without also acknowledging that it would make quite a few people's lives worse, at least in the short to medium term.

 

[PJV3]

Even John Major is waffling on about SNP, the tory campaign is utter bollocks. Herod yesterday, blackmail today, jesus wept.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So...Garage wants the licence fee cut to £48.50.

I guess this sheds some light on his behaviour during that debate...

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Even John Major is waffling on about SNP, the tory campaign is utter bollocks. Herod yesterday, blackmail today, jesus wept.

The grey Major will surely get people on side.

The desperation on display from the Tories is pretty great though. Has a party ever been so blatantly desperate in the past?

 

[CyclopsRock]

As has been said a few times, there are rumours (and in many ways, it's the only explanation that makes sense) that they have internal polling suggesting that this is actually a very effective line of attack. Obviously we'll only know come May 8th but that's the idea, at least.

 

[MrChom]

I would.

I'd also say that the UK is racist, which is why UKIP are picking up so much support.

As someone who was....born here, lived here, has a fairly standard British accent (Received Pronunciation Black Country), and white skin.....I've received racial abuse here, and so has my mother (we have an Eastern European surname with some fairly heavy handed spelling changes to make it work in English). So, it's fair to say the UK is not over xenophobia. Plus we all have the one really unintentially racist grandparent and the demographic studies show they're not going anywhere.

I would say, though, that generally those areas with fewer immigrants are the ones where you are FAR more likely to see racism, sadly. Somewhere like Inner City Birmingham or London still has it but at a much reduced level.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

The more the cons waffle on about the 'evil' SNP the more I want to see a LAB/SNP coalition.

And yes even though labor are talking about 'no deal' There would be a deal.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

We here in the UK have never done anything like that over the years.

We're not exactly squeaky clean. But this is 1967 we're talking about. Using Australia as a benchmark of common sense and decency is very telling of your own position, even before we get into the whataboutery...

 

[PJV3]

The grey Major will surely get people on side.

The desperation on display from the Tories is pretty great though. Has a party ever been so blatantly desperate in the past?

I can't think of a campaign where policy took a back seat like this one. Usually it's about what you will do, what the other has done wrong. Evil Scotland is a new one for me.

As has been said a few times, there are rumours (and in many ways, it's the only explanation that makes sense) that they have internal polling suggesting that this is actually a very effective line of attack. Obviously we'll only know come May 8th but that's the idea, at least.

They have been going hard on it so we should see some movement in the polls soon if it has any resonance. Perhaps they weren't expecting Ed to rule out a formal coalition, but I think that has blunted the attack.

 

[kitch9]

I would.

I'd also say that the UK is racist, which is why UKIP are picking up so much support.

Every country has people who prefer their own nationality over everyone else. I spend a lot of time in Australia and New Zealand and a lot of their politics is about how they will attract people to their shores as skills are needed and in short supply, whereas ours is all about how we will block people who aren't from the EU.

To me, one option is isolationist and dangerous, the other extremely beneficial and intelligent.

 

[kmag]

Every country has people who prefer their own nationality over everyone else. I spend a lot of time in Australia and New Zealand and a lot of their politics is about how they will attract people to their shores as skills are needed and in short supply, whereas ours is all about how we will block people who aren't from the EU.

To me, one option is isolationist and dangerous, the other extremely beneficial and intelligent.

The most common phrase in Australian politics is "the boats". It smothers political debate over there. Australia in general has just wrapped it's head around Asian immigration, but it still struggles with non white immigration from elsewhere.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I think something Major is going to happen today.

 

[kmag]

I think something Major is going to happen today.

Well if anyone knows about chaotic and ineffectual government it's John Major.

 

[PJV3]

Well if anyone knows about chaotic and ineffectual government it's John Major.

Edwina found him masterful in No10. He dominated her in various positions. He should have tried it with the bastards.

 

[industrian]

Australia in general has just wrapped it's head around Asian immigration.

Just yesterday they deported 40+ Vietnamese asylum seekers back to Vietnam. I'm sure they'll be better off in a political prisoner camp than contributing to the Australian economy.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I think something Major is going to happen today.

You tease

 

[JesseEwiak]

Every country has people who prefer their own nationality over everyone else. I spend a lot of time in Australia and New Zealand and a lot of their politics is about how they will attract people to their shores as skills are needed and in short supply, whereas ours is all about how we will block people who aren't from the EU.

To me, one option is isolationist and dangerous, the other extremely beneficial and intelligent.

Do you support free trade with the EU?

 

[Uzzy]

I wonder how much of this anti-SNP rhetoric is aimed at after the election, and making it as politically difficult as possible for Ed to form a government. I imagine something like this might happen.

Tories get maybe a 1 or 2 seat lead over Labour, but obviously not a majority. Cameron stays in office and puts forward his Queen's Speech (minus the Queen, obviously) and gets voted down, losing the motion of no confidence afterwards. The Tories and the right wing press then raise holy hell over Ed coming into power backed by the SNP, and demand another election, based on the Tories 'winning' the election by getting more seats.

Obviously the winner of an election isn't who wins the most seats, but who gets a majority, but I think they could use that line of attack to make things incredibly awkward for Ed.

 

[suedester]

Why is everyone so shocked at the Tory anti SNP line of attack? The SNP are an pro independent party, the complete antithesis of what Westminster and most of the English electorate stands for. They would be foolish not to pursue it. Anyone who is pro union should be concerned about the prospect of SNP propping up a Labour government.

 

[Goodlife]

I wonder how much of this anti-SNP rhetoric is aimed at after the election, and making it as politically difficult as possible for Ed to form a government. I imagine something like this might happen.

Tories get maybe a 1 or 2 seat lead over Labour, but obviously not a majority. Cameron stays in office and puts forward his Queen's Speech (minus the Queen, obviously) and gets voted down, losing the motion of no confidence afterwards. The Tories and the right wing press then raise holy hell over Ed coming into power backed by the SNP, and demand another election, based on the Tories 'winning' the election by getting more seats.

Obviously the winner of an election isn't who wins the most seats, but who gets a majority, but I think they could use that line of attack to make things incredibly awkward for Ed.

If either the Tories / Labour want to moan about the way the electoral system is set up they can go fuck off and support reform in that area.

 

[Real Hero]

Why is everyone so shocked at the Tory anti SNP line of attack? The SNP are an pro independent party, the complete antithesis of what Westminster and most of the English electorate stands for. They would be foolish not to pursue it. Anyone who is pro union should be concerned about the prospect of SNP propping up a Labour government.

Tory's being in power would do more to break up the union. Anything is preferable to them getting back in power.

 

[PJV3]

Why is everyone so shocked at the Tory anti SNP line of attack? The SNP are an pro independent party, the complete antithesis of what Westminster and most of the English electorate stands for. They would be foolish not to pursue it. Anyone who is pro union should be concerned about the prospect of SNP propping up a Labour government.

What exactly are the SNP going to get from Labour that will threaten the union?

 

[suedester]

Tory's being in power would do more to break up the union. Anything is preferable to them getting back in power.

I do believe your left wing disposition is ruling over logic.

 

[kmag]

Why is everyone so shocked at the Tory anti SNP line of attack? The SNP are an pro independent party, the complete antithesis of what Westminster and most of the English electorate stands for. They would be foolish not to pursue it. Anyone who is pro union should be concerned about the prospect of SNP propping up a Labour government.

Regardless of how this Tartan scare bollocks is playing out in Scotland?. Far from the love bomb we're basically now being told to get back in our box.

 

[suedester]

Regardless of how this Tartan scare bollocks is playing out in Scotland?. Far from the love bomb we're basically now being told to get back in our box.

I don't see how it is any different to the campaign that was run during the independence vote last year.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Regardless of how this Tartan scare bollocks is playing out in Scotland?. Far from the love bomb we're basically now being told to get back in our box.

It is precisely this kind of delegitimising of Scottish politics that is causing the run for Independence.

The commentary on twitter is now about how wise it was to bring Major out for this kind of talk when he was the one who ran a chaotic government propped up by nationalists.

 

[FlammableD]

I don't see how it is any different to the campaign that was run during the independence vote last year.

This campaign is somehow more anti Scots.

 

[Maledict]

As has been said a few times, there are rumours (and in many ways, it's the only explanation that makes sense) that they have internal polling suggesting that this is actually a very effective line of attack. Obviously we'll only know come May 8th but that's the idea, at least.

Sorry but that's ascribing a competence to a campaign that has already demonstrated it's not capable of. These are the people who thought pointing out that Ed Miliband was weird and that using the phrase "long term economic plan" would get them a majority.

They've fucked up until this point, they've misplayed a winning hand badly, and now suddenly we are to expect they have secret knowledge thats going to work?

All this stuff is doing is driving up the base concerns and de-legitimising Miliband when he forms the next government with implicit SNP backing. I stick with my theory that we'll have another election in less than two years after this, and a lot of what the Tories are currently doing is based around that.

 

[suedester]

This campaign is somehow more anti Scots.

I don't think it is, it's just anti SNP.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

YouGov/Sun CON 34 LAB 35 LD 7 UKIP 13 GRN 5 Lead +1

Times / YouGov / Scotland 16-20 April
SNP 49
Lab 25
Con 17
LD 5
Other 4
Unchanged on April 8/9

Labour : as popular as the tories

 

[FlammableD]

I don't think it is, it's just anti SNP.

Maybe, but scaremongering about disaster if the Scots get a say in Westminster, and giving them a report card can't be doing you a favour with Scottish people.

 

[suedester]

Maybe, but scaremongering about disaster if the Scots get a say in Westminster, and giving them a report card can't be doing you a favour with Scottish people.

It's not doing them favours with fervent SNP supporters but they aren't going to vote Tory anyway so what does it matter?

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Maybe, but scaremongering about disaster if the Scots get a say in Westminster, and giving them a report card can't be doing you a favour with Scottish people.

Scots get a say in Westminster as much as anyone else in the UK: one MP per ~90,000 people.

 

[Zutroy]

Maybe, but scaremongering about disaster if the Scots get a say in Westminster, and giving them a report card can't be doing you a favour with Scottish people.

Exactly. I dunno how the SNP have been doing with the country financially, but from a young(ish) Scot just finished uni, I've felt many positive benefits from the SNP being in government and have been happy for the most part with their time in office.

I'm pro-Union, but if most of England vote the Tories in again it does make me question if a union with such different leaning politics is a good thing.

I've gone from most likely voting Labour to maybe voting SNP to stick it up the Tories campaign.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Honestly got no idea who I'm gonna vote for, every party with a few policies I'm behind has others I'm totally against.

Only thing will say for sure is it won't be a Tory vote.