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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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pulsemyne

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Just to warn everyone, there's a IPSOS-MORI poll for the Evening Standard out tomorrow which the twittersphere is claiming is a "corker". It will have the Tories up at something ridiculous like 38 or 39 as Ben Page from IPSOS-MORI is already proclaiming on twitter that swingback has happened.

Apparently they have form for producing mental polls before elections. In 1987 they produced the infamous maggie wobble poll. It happens quite regularly.
 

kmag

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Apparently they have form for producing mental polls before elections. In 1987 they produced the infamous maggie wobble poll. It happens quite regularly.

Ben Page is a bit of publicity junkie, his last "corker" was a poll in March putting Labour 2pts up.
 
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Scottish Sun backing The SNP.
 
Haha! Have just read somebody's tirade against immigrants stealing "our" jobs in England. Where is she going at the start of June? To magaluf to work in a bar for the season.
 

kmag

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Oooh, Lib Dems have leaked details of £8 Billion of Benefit cuts the Tories are planning to make to the Guardian. Cameron will be pressed to confirm or deny tomorrow night.

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CCS

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Oooh, Lib Dems have leaked details of £8 Billion of Benefit cuts the Tories are planning to make to the Guardian. Cameron will be pressed to confirm or deny tomorrow night.

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It really is like watching a messy break up on facebook.
 
Oooh, Lib Dems have leaked details of £8 Billion of Benefit cuts the Tories are planning to make to the Guardian. Cameron will be pressed to confirm or deny tomorrow night.

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Jeez if that is true they just shot themselves in the foot, no way they can stay in power if those cuts to working families are true. They will get slaughtered in Midlands marginals, I think they will deny this or its curtains.
 

nib95

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Oooh, Lib Dems have leaked details of £8 Billion of Benefit cuts the Tories are planning to make to the Guardian. Cameron will be pressed to confirm or deny tomorrow night.

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Should make for a juicy read. Definitely interested to see where the cuts will lie.
 

tomtom94

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Closeup of that front story.

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Great contrast with the Sun headline but it's pretty easy for the Conservatives to shoot down - "things always change in government; no plans have been made". Also for some reason this story rings a bell, I don't think it's as "exclusive" as the Guardian claim.
 

kmag

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The proposed cuts included:

Limiting support to 2 children in child benefit and child tax credit, so cutting up to £3,500 from a family with three children.
Removing the higher rate child benefit from the first child, an average cut of over £360 for every family with children.
Means testing child benefit – cutting £1,750 for a two child middle income family
Removing child benefit from 16 to 19 year olds – a cut of over £1,000 for parents of a single child.

That sounds the sort of thing which will hit traditional Tory voters right in the pocket.
 
Seems to be a hell of a lot of cuts to child benefit. I thought the Conservatives were the party of working families? Are they running out of things to fuck the disabled over?
 

nib95

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Wouldn't some of these cuts essentially cripple so many families, especially those from poorer socio economic backgrounds? I mean, if they cut the first child benefit bonus, and limit child benefit to two children, that means a poorer family with say, four children, would have only £26 a week to support all of their kids? How is that humane, or viable for the family to survive on?
 

kmag

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Rahhh

".@ComResPolls: 41% of those likely to vote either still undecided or may change their minds before next Thursday #GE2015"

Those number never really mean much especially on phone polls. Most people want to sound like they're fair and openminded (will consider all arguments until the last minute) especially when they're talking to someone. Online and paper polling consistently returns far lower scores about undecided or may change their mind.

That factor is one of the big limitations in phone polling. Phone polls usually contact far less people than an online poll and it's typically far harder to pin a respondent down especially in multiparty elections.
 

kmag

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I'd assume 'cutting benefits' is music tory voters ears so not sure this will be portrayed as bad by the press.

Cutting other people's benefits is music to Tory voters ears. This is working age benefits which almost every family in the country gets.
 
I'd assume 'cutting benefits' is music tory voters ears so not sure this will be portrayed as bad by the press.

When many Tory voters may themselves be reliant on the benefits that are being cut this will cause them problems, any working parent that votes for them is gonna be a turkey voting for Christmas
 

f0rk

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Being from 2012 makes this less of a big deal than the headline suggests for me.

Mean testing child benefits isn't an awful idea
 
Being from 2012 makes this less of a big deal than the headline suggests for me.

Mean testing child benefits isn't an awful idea

Maybe not (depends what the limits are set at), but the other cuts/limits are ridiculous

Oh and being from 2012 doesn't make it Not relevant, it's what they wanted to do and being in a coalition stopped them, on their own they would have been truely evil
 

suedester

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It's an idea (a shit one) that was proposed and dropped in 2012. It's a bit of a reach that this is their plan going forward. If it is then they will get crucified.
 
Won't this get the usual "they were proposals, no decision were/have been made, it's an old document" etc response? Which, actually, isn't that unreasonable.
 
Won't this get the usual "they were proposals, no decision were/have been made, it's an old document" etc response? Which, actually, isn't that unreasonable.

eeeeyup.

Danny Alexander must have just decided "FUCK IT" knowing his chances, then forgot no-one told him anything of note
 

kmag

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Being from 2012 makes this less of a big deal than the headline suggests for me.

Mean testing child benefits isn't an awful idea

Perhaps, but it'll make Cameron wriggle when its brought up tomorrow night. He's ruled out X,Y and Z on taxation and some other spending cuts, so Dimbleby should get him to rule out changes to Child Benefit or explain what he's going to do.
 

Jezbollah

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Being from 2012 makes this less of a big deal than the headline suggests for me.

Mean testing child benefits isn't an awful idea

Indeed - he's only lifting the lid on what was planned back then - it only goes to speculate on what they might do in the future.

Cameron will do well though to diffuse this pretty quickly tomorrow though.
 
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