serenewarfare
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Austin is one guy. You said "a hundred".
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Austin is one guy. You said "a hundred".
Macho Madness
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Yeah it's different than with Dolph now, and they still plan on Bryan being #2 behind Cena so maybe just deal with the fact he isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He's got pretty decent promo skills and can bring it in the ring. It's just everything has gone very wrong since Mania for him, but he'll make it out in tact I'm sure. Both sides of y'all just need to calm down.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why are you calling me out for responding to another person about one specific guy? I didn't say "hundreds" and then decide to only talk about Austin.
Do you think Undertaker, Triple H, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, CM Punk, Bret Hart, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, etc. didn't speak up about how they were booked and presented to the audience?
What ridiculous outfit did Austin have to wear? Dark green trunks? Have you seen the ridiculous gear he wore in WCW before the Dangerous Alliance/Hollywood Blonds?
Professor Beef
Banned
With Dolph, they were playing to his strengths. He's good at selling and making other guys look good, so they make him into a jobber.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
What we've come up with so far is that our champion is a mediocre promo man who is too much of a wuss to speak up for himself.
slightconfuse
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That's Why is catch phrase is Yes
Somebody like Kurt Angle was dealt silly angles and seemed to not mind doing the jobs or the dirty work. But he had so much charisma and talent the crowd/fans never really turned a blind eye to his work. I think it's mostly a lot of talent they push and the material they're writing is just so bad. Brie has no business in this situation but since they are married it won't change.
Kurt Angle never spoke up. He basically did what the writers gave him. So he wanted to do that angle with Booker T when he wanted to have beastality sex with his wife. Then attempted to rape her and called her a gutter slut?
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
Not to knock against the guy, but if there's one person that's a better wrestler than Punk, it's Bryan. He even said it himself in his DVD. Remember, charisma doesn't inherently mean mic skills. It can mean how you command a crowd with your matches. Someone give me that Wyatt cage match gif with all the people Yes'ng. Bryan was the most over person in the last 15 years. You can't possibly deny that.
God, I am in full defense mode here. This shit is fun doe, keep em coming.
Macho Madness
Member
A pretty good promo man tries to make the best out of the cards he's dealt. Maybe he should be more protective of his character, but his mentality has gotten him where he is. Why change it now?
What speaking up? I am asking honestly, as I don't know much about behind the scene stuff. Behing the scene, Austin always sounded like a company man despiste his character. He said the Austin 3:16 thing, got over, got in a feud with the owner of the company who was the greatest heel at the time, and they kept feuding for years with the machine protecting him every single night. But I might be wrong.
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And that second sentence is just wrong, otherwise we wouldn't have psychoanalysis, you have professionals being paid a lot of money by a multi million dollar entertainment corporation to make sure their talent look good because their talent is their best resource. Yet, they are a bunch of monkeys running around throwing shit everywhere forcing the talent itself, who is not an actor, or director, or writer; to say "hey! I have a better idea!"
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I totally agree with you on that one moment. I marked the fuck out. He did it again at WM, but the constant in both of those is that he was booked really well. It's on him to make sure he always is.
Not to knock against the guy, but if there's one person that's a better wrestler than Punk, it's Bryan. He even said it himself in his DVD. Remember, charisma doesn't inherently mean mic skills. It can mean how you command a crowd with your matches. Someone give me that Wyatt cage match gif with all the people Yes'ng. Bryan was the most over person in the last 15 years. You can't possibly deny that.
God, I am in full defense mode here. This shit is fun doe, keep em coming.
You can find individual examples of anything stupid anyone has done. How do you take that one moment as evidence that Kurt Angle never spoke up? Everyone talks about how much Angle is a mark for himself.
Macho Madness
Member
Not to knock against the guy, but if there's one person that's a better wrestler than Punk, it's Bryan. He even said it himself in his DVD. Remember, charisma doesn't inherently mean mic skills. It can mean how you command a crowd with your matches. Someone give me that Wyatt cage match gif with all the people Yes'ng. Bryan was the most over person in the last 15 years. You can't possibly deny that.
God, I am in full defense mode here. This shit is fun doe, keep em coming.
Yeah one of the biggest fallacies I see parroted around is that Charisma = Mic skills when that's just not the case. You can talk all you want on the mic, but if everyone's silent when your match starts, that's lacking charisma but having good mic skills.
Same could be said for someone who can't talk real well, or at all, but the crowd goes nuts for their matches or even just their facial expressions. That's real charisma. And Bryan has a ton of it.
The Hollywood Blondes gear was great. Austin's never had goofy gear- not even in his early World Class days.
Punk to me was really 90% mic skills 10% ringwork. I never liked Punk's ringwork- he wasn't strong enough to do his finisher right on bigger guys, and he was really sloppy at times. Bryan is so much better in-ring, but he's only good on the mic. I think Cena is better in terms of pure in-ring than Punk.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I hope Tyson Kidd wins tonight so we can have two tiny Total Divas champions with no mic skills who get excused for their failings because of their work rate.
I don't see whatever you guys see in Daniel Bryan. I see Tyson Kidd.
I don't see whatever you guys see in Daniel Bryan. I see Tyson Kidd.
Macho Madness
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Royal Rumble 2008 is the only thing that comes to mind.
That's funny because people are judging Bryan like that. Also, he is a mark for himself but has there been a story when he said no to an angle? Your talking to a man who did tons of goofy comedy when if he was a mark he would of said no to doing that stuff.
Keyser Soze
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Turning NXT into the Total Divas feeder programs is serious fucked up shit.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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He did all of that goofy comedy because he was the best ever at it.
He also completely stopped that goofy comedy around the time of his ECW revival. He was pushing to be the man all the time.
Really bugging me how Alberto slaps his legs with the kick.Yeah, cause speaking out always works! Right, Dolph?
Has he always done that?
FallingEdge
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Deleted member 47027
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I just think the Bryan bubble has burst.
That's their paycheck! CM Punk feeds them, because comics are goddamn dying.
They did Ascension theme, therefore they are top tier. Amazing entrance, ranks up there with Tenzan's amazing theme.
That's their paycheck! CM Punk feeds them, because comics are goddamn dying.
They did Ascension theme, therefore they are top tier. Amazing entrance, ranks up there with Tenzan's amazing theme.
Macho Madness
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It's how they make the noise.
Yes, and always very blatantly. He also removes his knee pad for some reason. I haven't been able to figure out how the fuck moving your knee pad makes a kick with your heel more devastating.
Nattie is there because she's a veteran who can help Charlotte have a good match, Tyson is there because he's a talented wrestler who has never really had a push, who can have a great match with Neville but also take the loss.
I don't see the issue.
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
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has anybody canceled their wwe network sub? I removed my billing information a few weeks back. I can still watch everything on the network and I was never charged the rest of the subscription. What gives? How am I still able to watch?
Dr Duncan Steel
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My match of the year of 2013 was the one between Punk and Cena for the no. 1 contendership of the title at WM 29. Those two guys told a godamn story in that ring and my eyes were glued the entire way through. The fact that I still loved the match after Cena winning makes it even more special. It made me believe what Cena is capable of doing, and how good psychology and storytelling can be more important than work rate. God damn I love that match.
To me, I never saw Punk as this crisp wrestler, I always saw as this sloppy, scrappy, dude who manages to get the upper hand in matches. It's like how you see Will Smith fight in the Men In Black movies, sloppy as hell but you give a shit. It compliments his character.
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Deleted member 47027
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The problem with Natalya (and others) in that Womens' tournament is that it was all predicated on a bullshit excuse to have it. "Hey Paige, since you're on Raw, you gotta vacate the title. Let's summon some Raw talent to try to win it" - stupid continuity issues.
Tyson Kidd sucks at everything but his in-ring product. That ain't enough in this day and age. Mask up.
Tyson Kidd sucks at everything but his in-ring product. That ain't enough in this day and age. Mask up.
lovely ladies
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Did you see the Emilia Clarke Terminator pics?
Christian 2.0 great enhancement talent, but will never see the top. I say that as a fan.
Link?
blackaroni
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Does Tyson still use a submission as a finisher? I think they called it the Dungeon Lock at one point.
I guess I got confused in the Austin gears, maybe I'm thinking of Stunning Steve days.
But then on his podcast, Heyman was all like "talent don't speak for themselves" and Austing basically answered "they asked me to wear a green trunks, I complained, but I wore them anyway, I did not refuse" and Heyman went "yeah, well, talent these days don't even complain about the green trunks", which is bullshit.
Which at the time I thought Heyman was right, but more and more I see it as he protecting the corporation from the smarks at the expense of talent. Sandow is talented, funny, had good matches, a good character, could have been a solid midcard, but got fed to Cena? He should have refused the pink trunks! You can't blame talent for booking him into oblivion and then cutting out all of his TV time.
I want to see how many times talent speak for themselves only to get shot down.
But then on his podcast, Heyman was all like "talent don't speak for themselves" and Austing basically answered "they asked me to wear a green trunks, I complained, but I wore them anyway, I did not refuse" and Heyman went "yeah, well, talent these days don't even complain about the green trunks", which is bullshit.
Which at the time I thought Heyman was right, but more and more I see it as he protecting the corporation from the smarks at the expense of talent. Sandow is talented, funny, had good matches, a good character, could have been a solid midcard, but got fed to Cena? He should have refused the pink trunks! You can't blame talent for booking him into oblivion and then cutting out all of his TV time.
I want to see how many times talent speak for themselves only to get shot down.
You mean the time when he mentality losing it and WWE let him go because they didn't want him to die in the ring? Then he went to TNA with Vince Russo and went back to saying yes to putting an Ankle lock on Samoa Joe girlfriend and all the other crap TNA put him through.
Yep, the bubble burst on the man who gets the largest reactions on shows with crowds that are perceived dead like last week.
Doesn't seem to me that many guys stomp when punching or kicking anymore. Makes the match entirely quiet especially when commentary have nothing to say.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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That's probably why Heyman calls himself an "advocate." It's meta-commentary on how you have to sell yourself to the company.
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Deleted member 47027
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I just thought back to that cage reaction vs his recent appearances. Train's dead. Gotta put more coal in it. More Cole.
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Kurt Angle's ankle lock sprees during entire episodes of Impact is one of two fond memories I have of anything in TNA. The other is Jarrett doing his MMA gimmick and putting holds on kids.
I think you don't understand the value of humor in wrestling. It's not all Fighting Spirit, bro.
lovely ladies
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Natalya should personally design and sew TJ's mask.
Neat, didn't know Varro from Spartacus was in it.
Liquidsnake
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Is there not a new legends house tonight?
I don't see it on the schedule.
I don't see it on the schedule.
Macho Madness
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I guess nobody's over, then.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Really though, kind of. That's the problem.
10:30 Eastern Time, after Takeover.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
You know what, him not wrestling since ER is just gonna make his in-ring return all the more special. No matter who the opponent is
I'm kinda digging the new Zayn theme. That ooooohhhhhh ooooohhhhh part i'm assuming is a possible replacement for his OLE chants. Hope Full Sail puts it over tonight.
Kane
I'm kinda digging the new Zayn theme. That ooooohhhhhh ooooohhhhh part i'm assuming is a possible replacement for his OLE chants. Hope Full Sail puts it over tonight.
Macho Madness
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