MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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It's not "a different thing all together". It's a platform to play games on other devices, yes, but it's also meant as a BC solution. It's both and the BC solution of PS Now is very lackluster.
I hope you're joking.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
If only 5% will use BC on the XBO, what amount of gamers does that break down to?
Something for the few > Nothing for all
Something for the few > Nothing for all
Not to mention one of the biggest Xbox releases this year will be a remaster.
Should have been first post.
I'm hoping it will never happen at all.
Yes, actually it's true, the entire point was to allow the sales of games without the sales of consoles. Consoles are often a cost, especially at price drops and launches. PS3 is probably still at or near cost.
This is all I really want. I don't care about PS3 BC. I currently have a 60GB hardware BC PS3 and it works fine, but all the stories I read about them dying make me nervous. If my PS4 played all my Ps1 and PS2 discs and my digital PSOne classics, I'd gladly buy one of the newer PS3 models.
I think it's very likely to happen. Unless there is major breakthrough on Quantum Computing soon and it becomes very cheap to have QCs at home. Then I'd hope it never happens. xDDDD
BC chips were the first things to go in cheaper revisions.
KillerSloth
Banned
I don't get the argument you lose all your games, did your ps3's bewome obsolete? It was well known ps4 was not BC way before it launched, people could just you know keep their ps3's if they wanted to keep playing them? PS now is more for people who never owned a ps3 imo.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
This is the issue. PS3 backwards compatibility is a red herring - it'll never happen, that's what PS Now is for.
PS1 and PS2 backwards compatibility would be relatively simple given the PS4 hardware, and they already did it on the PS3, and they already have the games in the store, and those games were a money-maker for everyone involved. The question remains: why hasn't Sony brought them back?
N7Commander95
Member
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
5% of the PS4 userbase would be just over 1 million, but I'd imagine PlayStation % would be higher.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
This is a common fallacy when discussing business decisions. This assumes that businesses act in an entirely predictable and mechanical manner. And it assumes infinite resources with no real world constraints.
That isn't how priorities work. It can make financial sense to do a thing based on the cost versus projected ROI, but it could still be a very low priority based on relative value and the fact that not everything can be done at once.
The idea that if a company isn't doing a thing, then it means that thing isn't worth doing doesn't really match up with reality. Not everything gets done as soon as it possibly can, most things get done when other priorities are handled.
They have a vision for their product and support for PS Classics is likely very low on that list if it is there at all. This has nothing to do with whether or not it would make money and everything to do with the market strategy being employed. And not all market strategies are good or even competent.
I think it's great that MS is positioning backwards compatibility, butbut people need to stop talking about psnow like that's Sony's answer. It's not. They've said it's not. It is a new wide scale platform, that happens to run in a huge array of other devices, including the ps3 itself.
Stop making this dumb narrative. I'm not defending Sony, just stop this dumb villain esque angle. It comes across as trying to make it console warrior bullshit.
Stop making this dumb narrative. I'm not defending Sony, just stop this dumb villain esque angle. It comes across as trying to make it console warrior bullshit.
Imru’ al-Qays;168697952 said:
Because they want people to use PSNow, which is ridiculous.
What? PS Nows is not SOLELY the answer to BC, it's the answer to other things as well, but it's the answer to BC nonetheless. If I want to play BC games on PS4, PSNow is the only option. That means that it's Sony's only option for BC. It's their answer for BC.
è£ ç²æªé¬¼ææ£
Banned
I played Shadow Hearts 2 once on my PS3. Did the Wii have BC? I own both a Gamecube and a Wii and don't even know the answer to this fucking question lol. I think it's fair to say that this feature is not very important to me.
I guess if you tend to replay games often it's a more valuable feature or something? But even then it's kind of pointless if it's on a game by game basis, that's the super shitty kind of pretend-BC which makes you take your old console out of the storage room anyway because nobody bothered to port that one niche game in your collection.
I guess if you tend to replay games often it's a more valuable feature or something? But even then it's kind of pointless if it's on a game by game basis, that's the super shitty kind of pretend-BC which makes you take your old console out of the storage room anyway because nobody bothered to port that one niche game in your collection.
I thought they already said PSNow was for PS3 and PS4 games and that PS1 and PS2 would be emulated.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yes, people do switch, while others remain with one company because they're too invested in its ecosystem.
But the beauty of bc is even with those that switch, their old content is still available to them when they switch back!
Pathfinder
Member
You're assuming people have unlimited counter or entertainment space for all of these consoles they need to keep around.
You're also assuming these consoles will never break down and stop working.
Sony being Sony has them a sizeable lead they've made more great decisions than poor ones so they care little of your opinion.
ipukespiders
Member
Have you ever streamed a game before? I've streamed over my LAN using steam and a compressed video in no way "looked exactly as they once did". Quit that nonsense.
Shit, we have daily threads on here analyzing fxaa, msaa, anisotropic filtering, 720p, 1080p, 4k etc.
A lot of us care about graphics fidelity. Compressing a game's output to a video stream isn't acceptable to me other than as a quick look at a game.
KillerSloth
Banned
LO< WTF? THis is wrong. ND are already talking about redoing gameplay, models, textures, and applying new things they added over the last 7 years to the UC collection. MS does not do anything more then Sony in the remaster department. What is a MS remaster, broken for 6 months? TLOU was also a lot more then that, maybe learn some facts before posting?
You're assuming MS will have a large selection of titles made available that remain to be seen.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
So if I edited to make my post to say "marketing sense", instead of "financial sense", would that clarify the confusion?
My point is that there is a reason they aren't doing it. Whether that reason is financial, resources/time based, or market strategy driven, I have no idea.
darylbaxter
Neo Member
PS3 backwards compatibility, I can understand how that won't be possible.
But with PS1 and PS2, its more than possible these days, I don't see why not that can be implemented as a software app.
Plus, the amount I've spent on PSN, surely something like Tekken Tag 2 can be ported or be re-released on PS4 with no charge for owning the PS3 version?
I just don't want to spend a PS3, a PS2, and a PS4, when one machine is more than capable of running 80% of the Playstation library.
But with PS1 and PS2, its more than possible these days, I don't see why not that can be implemented as a software app.
Plus, the amount I've spent on PSN, surely something like Tekken Tag 2 can be ported or be re-released on PS4 with no charge for owning the PS3 version?
I just don't want to spend a PS3, a PS2, and a PS4, when one machine is more than capable of running 80% of the Playstation library.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I don't remember seeing ps1 and ps2 titles offered on the psnow... Are there titles?
Ingueferroque
Banned
This is stupid. Give us PS1 support at least.
Pathfinder
Member
There's a better chance that Microsoft will continue to add 360 titles to Xbox One than there is people will go out and buy larger entertainment centers in order to fit the multitude of consoles so they can keep playing their older games.
Lol i didnt think about that, MS might have finally bit the bullet to get some more content on the xbone store to lower the disparity between games on xbox store and psn store. Kind of like when a shit ton of PS1 games got added to the Vita new releases section every few weeks. Got to pad those numbers somehow!
Miles Quaritch
Member
Who trolled Sony for having remasters of select PS3 titles?
Maybe you're confusing people unhappy with the pricing of some of those remasters (namely God of War 3) with trolling their existence?
KillerSloth
Banned
LOL I highly doubt that, are people living in card board boxes or something? You are grossly over rating the space issue, most have tv's in multiple rooms to boot.
Today, there is 20+ games available that seem to work almost perfectly with no performance impact from running in emulation (some appear to be better in fact... ie ME loading times).
We also know that several big AAA games this fall will include the 360 versions of the previous games along with the Xbox One version, presumably using this same BC emulation since it is basically "free" for them to include them.
MS has said they intend for there to be 100+ games available for public launch this fall, and if it really is as easy as it seems to add the games given the emulation is already working, then I see no reason why that wouldn't be true.
Will 100% of their libraries be compatible? No, of course not. But a large portion very well could be.
Correct, but since it's the only way to play PS3 games on the PS4 currently, you have to expect the comparison.
So perhaps a better comparison would be PSNow vs BC + Win10 streaming?
It will be interesting to see what actually makes it to market first, Samsung SmartTV's that support PSNow, or Win 10 HDMI sticks that support Xbox One streaming.
Pathfinder
Member
Still looks more like recompilation as opposed to true 'emulation'. You're re-downloading a new binary package. I'm skeptical they can get real emulation up without issues.
Catatafish
Banned
Cannot criticize a company for bad decisions now?
I'm assuming he talking about PS3 games, I expect/hope PS1 & PS2 emulation down the line.
Or they dont want to spend money on something that costs them money.
I see you're having difficultly understanding that Sony, as a company which was on the verge of brankruptcy, might want to try making profits and establish themselves in digital markets....but that is where the general market is going.
BC makes more sense also for MS, who is getting ready to compete with valve with their windows 10 marketplace. They actually have a strategy for having a "single unified ecosystem" not unlike steam.
BC is simply your preference. Like the guy in the OP said, it's just a different path. So you should buy an x1 then over a ps4, because your preference is to play x1 and 360 games.
It's just facts that you have to look at. Cold hard facts.
You can have a ps4 or an x1 with BC. That is all. Nowhere in this should there be any association with "trying to fuck the consumer". It is what it is, and emotional attachment of presumption or assumption is a result of bias, whether that be preferential bias or what have you.
I honestly hope that's either PR speak or one hand not knowing what the other is doing, because I DO think its important not just with the advancement of digital distribution last gen, but the fact PlayStation's history has a LOT of classic games that should remain playable in whatever manner they can achieve. They're in one of the worst positions to be flippant about it I think.
I think it's given the name remasterstation for a reason other than pricing.
Space can become a serious issue if you have alot of consoles, being able to get rid of one because you can play the games on another one helps with that.
Angryharlot
Banned
Why are the Gran Tourismos never considered for playstation now or back when they were doing it, PS1 classics?
I would love to see those. I own all of them, already but they just do not want to ever reprint those. I remember that shit PSP version and how at any given time I would have rather been playing GT1 or 2.
Also, why the fuck is resistance 1 or 3 not there? I thought that was their marquee shooter series for a while.
I would love to see those. I own all of them, already but they just do not want to ever reprint those. I remember that shit PSP version and how at any given time I would have rather been playing GT1 or 2.
Also, why the fuck is resistance 1 or 3 not there? I thought that was their marquee shooter series for a while.