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Media Create Sales: 02/23 - 03/02
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Paracelsus
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t3nmilez said:
Being happy about making a good game has nothing to do with sales. On the contrary, if you make a very good game, you hope it sells well. Whatever they said, they cannot really be happy with how things turned out. It's not even an outsourced title, it's from their main team.
Nah, probably same as Lost Odyssey, 700k shipped ww? It all depends on how bad has been their choice of putting the EU release in June. At this point, August would have been a smarter pick.
That same "leak" said Versus XIII would have become a CG movie, and that if TLR sold properly on 360 they would have scrapped the PS3 version. Just to put things into perspective.
Linkup said:
http://www.tri-ace.co.jp/en/company/sales.html
Star Ocean 2 sold 700,000 copies in Japan and 370,000 copies overseas.
http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/ps2.php
Star Ocean 3 sold 533,000 copies in Japan and 626,000 copies overseas.
Star Ocean 3: Director's Cut sold 164,000 copies in Japan, totalling 700,000 copies with the regular edition in Japan.
Now Star Ocean 4 is poised to do 250,000 copies in Japan at best, and that's a region that was supposed to provide at least half of their total global sales.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Didn't I already mention everything you said in my post? Anyways:
(1) It's a port that will probably outsell 360 version's LTD sales by tenfolds.
(2) Having served up the same content to users has NEVER prevented Bandai Namco from serving the same shit up to users again, but with additional content. See Dynasty Warriors, Extreme Legends editions, Empires editions, and so forth. Bandai Namco is not putting it on 360 because it was BOMBA (and that's not an exaggeration at 6,000 units LTD).
Y2Kev said:
SO4 on PSP!
I'm not saying the game sales are anything spectacular, but I would assume SE would be aware of the potential sales and have adjusted for them (unless they really expect it to be huge in the west). I just think it's kind of ignorant to say it had "no impact", where it did make an impact in the J360 market, as minor as you may think it is. You have to look at it as more than just sales numbers.
Faulty logic. I'm pretty sure Koei is releasing Empires on 360, and what do you say about the PS3 not getting the original Orochi games then?
gantz85 said:
Faulty logic. I'm pretty sure Koei is releasing Empires on 360, and what do you say about the PS3 not getting the original Orochi games then?
Linkup said:
SO4 would sell at least double the 360 LTD in Japan on the PS3.
cvxfreak said:
Right, like how RE4 was supposed to be Gamecube only, and the head-cutting never occured. The 360 numbers ARE respectable, but the prospect of low sales for a franchise entry was what scared the shitpants out of Squeenix to push FFXIII to go multiplatform.
Arguably FFXIII is a bigger deal, and a lower installedbase could see underperformance result in millions of potentially unsold copies (perhaps 1 million in Japan tops). Games like Last Remnant, Star Ocean, Tales of Vesperia and Infinite Undiscovery; if they underperform the potential unsold copies range from hundreds of thousands to maximum a million worldwide (hundreds of thousands in Japan tops).
Still, don't see why PS3 should be deprived of these great titles. I would love to see Vesperia, Star Ocean 4 and Last Remnant on the PS3. I'd certainly buy them.
So essentially we want SO4, Vesperia and Last Remnant on the PS3?
If all the arguments in that direction (FOR: putting games on PS3) are correct, then future iterations of the franchises will be multiplatform with the originals potentially getting ports (like Lost Planet) down the line.
I believe the Lost Planet and Dead Rising sequels are multiplatform.
Besides, it's not like ports and games take 6 months to make - many of these decisions are made near the start (for development/tool reasons mostly). That's why something like Capcom's multiplatform base is so so so useful.
If all the arguments in that direction (FOR: putting games on PS3) are correct, then future iterations of the franchises will be multiplatform with the originals potentially getting ports (like Lost Planet) down the line.
I believe the Lost Planet and Dead Rising sequels are multiplatform.
Besides, it's not like ports and games take 6 months to make - many of these decisions are made near the start (for development/tool reasons mostly). That's why something like Capcom's multiplatform base is so so so useful.
t3nmilez said:
How about the fact that Dynasty Warriors is a far bigger game than Orochi in the international market, and a Japanese release for 360 is nothing more than a byproduct of it being multiplatform as a global title? Really? Do you put any thought into your posts?
You try hard, but the intelligence isn't coming true :lol
As for your second issue, what would YOU say about the PS3 not getting Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean 4, The Last Remnant and Ace Combat 6?
gantz85 said:
As others have theorized, I think that the Namco/SE exclusives are a combination of incentives, early development, the focus of 360 as a lead platform at the time, and other such things which have been stated to death. You can't compare those to the Orochi games anyway since they were multiplatform.
The PS2 has proven itself to still be able to sustain the Musou series, yet there's no PS3 port of Z. I don't know how popular the Dynasty Warriors game are in the west, but I think that it's no secret that lots of 360 titles exist because of the intent to bring overseas. I don't have an answer as to why Z doesn't exist on the 360, as you probably don't for why the original Orochi games were never brought to the PS3.
t3nmilez said:
Well, I'm not claiming to KNOW but we're all putting forth theories here based on the data we have. By your standards we can never talk about platform exclusivity for SO4, ToV and Ace Combat because we "don't have an answer".
My data in my original post is clear: Orochi has done 6,000 units each for the two installments they had on the 360. This is a great bomba.
Until you can put forth a better explanation, your hand waving and appeals to underdetermination of data isn't going to cut it.
Linkup said:
Not quite we have no idea how the WW sales will turn out before it is all said and done. If it does LO type numbers WW in the end and MS helped with the cost of the development/marketing with exclusivity no I would say otherwise. As far as a game I'm not sure how anyone can even remotely suggest it has failed as a game. The reviews so far have not been A plus then again name a JRPG on the consoles that has this gen, but they have been overall decent. Pretty much that is simply straw man material.
Salty thread is quite salty however.
LiquidMetal14
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Seriously, just lock this shit before it gets worse and until the new numbers are out. YeeshY2Kev said:
TLR will likely still come and SO4 is still up in the air, but ToV has pretty much one chance left at getting any possible port announced. If a port isn't announced along with the other upcoming Tales game(s) they'll be announcing a little later this year, might as well call that a lost cause and wait for the next HD Tales to see if they decide to go multi. Unless they want to be different from what they usually do this time for whatever reason, an announcement that isn't simultaneous with the "bigger titles" isn't too likely.
Besides the VGC stuff and keikoku's post, I've actually been kinda enjoying the discussion in this thread though.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Besides the VGC stuff and keikoku's post, I've actually been kinda enjoying the discussion in this thread though.
AranhaHunter
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t3nmilez said:
Yeah because developers make games for bragging rights purposes.
rykomatsu
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t3nmilez said:
Don't know, in all honesty, if Namco is happy about the sales of ToV. There was a fireside chat interview type thing on Famitsu's 360 blog and it was pretty clear that the dev wasn't happy with the sales numbers...whether that was because it didn't meet his goals or due to pressures from above is unclear.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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*You must mean Koei rather than Bandai-Namcogantz85 said:
You mentioned them but went to say why other systems that got Orochi 1 and 2 are not getting Z. You are wrong at that point, they aren't putting Z on any of those because its Orochi 1 and 2 once again, they already released those games on those platforms.
You bring up Extreme Legends and Empires editions but those are proper expansions to the original games unlike Z which is just Orochi 1+2 with 96 instead of 92 characters, with 12 new stages on Dream Mode for a 40 total and a few other tweaks. The PSP ports also had new content like Z is getting. None is expected to hit other systems that already had those games.
I don't know how to tell you what Orochi Z is but let me say it this way: its not Orochi 3, its not Orochi Empires, its not Orochi Extreme Legends, its Orochi 1 and Orochi 2 once again.
JoshuaJSlone
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So these multi-week pies don't come up very often, but I thought it would make another interesting way to show the change from early last year to early this year; both in how the overall total is smaller and the change in the way it's split.
AranhaHunter
Banned
360 didn't have SO4 launching at the beginning of last year and 360 didn't have as many JRPGs back then either.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Well, as Segata was recently saying so fluently, being the top dog of some subcategory doesn't necessarily mean much.freddy said:
Whoever says SO4 failed on 360 seriously needs help. Blue Dragon bombed because
a) One of the first if not the first big JRPG on the 360
b) Toriyama
c) Sakaguchi
d) Sounded like Dragon Quest to Japanese people
Compare SO4 sales to TOV one, SO4 did REALLY WELL for a JRPG on 360 IN JAPAN. Wait till you see LTD.
Also, if you dont liked it it doesnt mean it failed as a JRPG. One thing is for sure, it doesnt fail as a JRPG. Too bad i feel it wont sell as much as it would have been on the ps3.
a) One of the first if not the first big JRPG on the 360
b) Toriyama
c) Sakaguchi
d) Sounded like Dragon Quest to Japanese people
Compare SO4 sales to TOV one, SO4 did REALLY WELL for a JRPG on 360 IN JAPAN. Wait till you see LTD.
Also, if you dont liked it it doesnt mean it failed as a JRPG. One thing is for sure, it doesnt fail as a JRPG. Too bad i feel it wont sell as much as it would have been on the ps3.
creamsugar
Member
Famitsu
DSL　10000
DSi　35000
PSP　61000
Wii　20000
PS3　40000
PS2　5000
360　14000
RE5 PS3 320,000
RE5 360 79,000
DSL　10000
DSi　35000
PSP　61000
Wii　20000
PS3　40000
PS2　5000
360　14000
RE5 PS3 320,000
RE5 360 79,000
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Yazus said:
