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[Defuser]

What are they offering after Bio5, FF13 demo, and Orochi Z?

Between FFXIII demo release and FFXIII release....nothing at all

 

[schuelma]

Between FFXIII demo release and FFXIII release....nothing at all

Yeah and that's not even an exaggeration. Literally nothing.

 

[PantherLotus]

oh look i'm all CONTRAVERSHAL

 

[Sage00]

Yeah and that's not even an exaggeration. Literally nothing.

Well, y'know, GT5..

 

[Spiegel]

Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires, Killzone 2, Western game 1-20

 

[schuelma]

Well, y'know, GT5..

I think we're more likely to get a big budget core gamer original IP from Nintendo than see GT5 in 2009.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires, Killzone 2, Western game 1-20

I'm pretty sure Killzone 2 is 'Western game #17' to the Japanese.

 

[Shadow780]

Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires, Killzone 2, Western game 1-20

and the big game published by SE

Spoiler

Quantum of Solace

:lol

 

[Spiegel]

I'm pretty sure Killzone 2 is 'Western game #17' to the Japanese.

I know but seeing that Resistance 2 sold >45k I don't see how KZ2 couldn't sell at least that number. It's a bit more than a generic third party western game.

 

[spwolf]

We've still got a couple of years before we can call that bet, sp. I'm nowhere near as confident as I was at the time, but the Wii is pulling massive months in EU and NA, so hey, who knows.

understatement

but we can still have fun, of course

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I know but seeing that Resistance 2 sold >45k I don't see how KZ2 couldn't sell at least that number. It's a bit more than a generic third party western game.

We'll see. R2 had a pretty hefty ad campaign here. I haven't seen a peep from KZ2.

 

[thaOwner]

I think we're more likely to get a big budget core gamer original IP from Nintendo than see GT5 in 2009.

Actually, I really do think we will be seeing GT5 this year after reading the interview with one of Sony UK bosses.
conducted by Gamebiz. He mentions it briefly.

when you start to see the kind of quality that these products are giving... I'm sure when you see Gran Turismo 5 it's one of those jaw-dropping moments, and people see what they're buying into.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ray-maguire-part-one

Spoiler

Wishful thinking

, yeah I know.

 

[spwolf]

We'll see. R2 had a pretty hefty ad campaign here. I haven't seen a peep from KZ2.

ps3 just needs a lot of japanese centric games, 3 per year dont count... whats next big japanese game for ps3?

 

[schuelma]

ps3 just needs a lot of japanese centric games, 3 per year dont count... whats next big japanese game for ps3?

That's kind of it..the next (and only) one is a demo attached to a movie.

 

[Loudninja]

We'll see. R2 had a pretty hefty ad campaign here. I haven't seen a peep from KZ2.

Not out until the end of the month for Japan right?

Edit: My mistake its not out until April 23rd

 

[Sage00]

I think we're more likely to get a big budget core gamer original IP from Nintendo than see GT5 in 2009.

If GT5 doesn't release SCEJ must have some sort of big internal IP to replace it. There's no way their time management skills can be that bad. Like the last 3 years, I'm sure we can expect SCEJ to follow the same holiday plan. Nintendo may or may not continue theirs given the current situation.. but one big Miyamoto Wii Series IP and one big core gamer from EAD3 or EAD Tokyo still looks like a decent plan now they have Tales etc to rely on.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Replies to stuff from the last thread:

Unless systems get up around 70k regularly, we're still far short of a healthy home market by previous standards aren't we? I'm sure that in the PS2 days 60k was the floor.. am I remembering wrong?

It really depends on which point of PS2's life we look at. Here's a pretty giant image to help. It shows PS2's first five years and cuts things off at 100K so we can focus on the regular weeks. Eyeballing it, 40K looks like a number it's usually over, including about 40 weeks in a row in what would be 2002-ish.

Things would be a bit higher if you're talking about the three combined consoles, buuut really that made a weekly difference of about 10K/week for a few years, so not much.

But before it's revival it was doing significantly less.

Here's approximately 3 PSP years, so the PSP-2000 is that blip very near the end. Before that, the most common place to find PSP would be in the 20-30K range, but going more widely and saying 20-40K would cover almost every non-holiday week.

I really don't see things turning around.

There's no possible turnaround for Wii after several weeks below 20K. Just like PS3 couldn't after ten weeks below 10K, and X360 couldn't after twenty-seven weeks below 3K.

And now to stuff from this thread.

Wow I thought Star Ocean 4 would be over 200,000 by now, I guess Blue Dragon will remain the top selling 360 game in Japan.

It took Blue Dragon about 4 months to reach where Star Ocean 4 is now.

19. [NDS] Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time (Square Enix)

This is interesting to me. It seems to be hanging on, but to what?

For purposes of comparison, the GCN original spent 7 weeks in the Top 30 (5 weeks in the Top 10). Ring of Fates spent 6 weeks in the Top 30 (5 weeks in the Top 10).

It's like the same actors/characters in a new setting.

Ahh! Like River City Ransom to "Technos Samurai".

Taiko Wii is up to 424K. It's on track to be the best selling Taiko, if its legs hold out.

This reminds me. I've previously used Animal Crossing and Mario Kart as examples of the phenomenon of series starting on consoles, getting a big boost from a portable release, and then bringing some of that success back to home consoles. I'm thinking it's fair to add Taiko to that list, since it's the DS games that brought the franchise back from the sub-100K numbers of the 2005 and 2006 releases.

Wouldn't that make the entire top ten spinoffs and/or late ports? I wonder if this is typical of handhelds in general (with exception of DS I guess).

Hmm. Looks like the GBA Top 10 includes 4 ports (Super Mario Bros, World, Bros. USA, and Bros. 3) and 2 remakes (Pokémon Red/Green and Kirby's Adventure). The rest of the list are two Pokémon games (well, three, but two are combined), Mario Kart Super Circuit, and Mega Man Battle Network 4.

I'm beginning to believe in the PS3 in Japan.

Have you been reading too much David Macphail?

 

[Meier]

I haven't been following sales threads much these days. I didn't realize how well Star Ocean was doing. I'm sure they're pleased.

 

[spwolf]

If GT5 doesn't release SCEJ must have some sort of big internal IP to replace it. There's no way their time management skills can be that bad. Like the last 3 years, I'm sure we can expect SCEJ to follow the same holiday plan. Nintendo may or may not continue theirs given the current situation.. but one big Miyamoto Wii Series IP and one big core gamer from EAD3 or EAD Tokyo still looks like a decent plan now they have Tales etc to rely on.

well if GT5 is next big game, and even if it is released in Winter, thats not good enough.

 

[Sage00]

well if GT5 is next big game, and even if it is released in Winter, thats not good enough.

Well, 'big' big game. As in type of game to carry the holiday season. There's still obviously going to be smaller 'big' titles on the lead up to that. I'd point to The Last Remnant and Tekken 6.

 

[Defuser]

If GT5 doesn't release SCEJ must have some sort of big internal IP to replace it. There's no way their time management skills can be that bad. Like the last 3 years, I'm sure we can expect SCEJ to follow the same holiday plan.

And that's exactly what's fucking wrong with them.It's been 3 years already and they still can't get it right.

 

[schuelma]

I haven't been following sales threads much these days. I didn't realize how well Star Ocean was doing. I'm sure they're pleased.

I don't know..I mean it had a horrid drop and is barely going to reach 200K.

 

[Moor-Angol]

Sarcastic post right? There's no games worth noting after April,it's gonna revert back to 10k > sales

Which Wii games are worth in the next months ?

hint: a 4 years old PS2 game with a demo...


we don't know so much about PS3 and Wii line-up for spring and summer, so anyone can properly say "PS3/Wii line-up is very poor for this year" at the moment.

 

[schuelma]

Which Wii games are worth in the next months ?

hint: a 4 years old PS2 game with a demo...


we don't know so much about PS3 and Wii line-up for spring and summer, so anyone can properly say "PS3/Wii line-up is very poor for this year" at the moment.

I think the difference is that for Wii we know of relatively big games that have been confirmed for 2009- Monster Hunter 3 in the Summer, Wii Sports Resort Spring/Summer, Tales of Ten, and Samurai Warriors 3.

For PS3, the only big game that has even been announced that could conceivably come out in 2009 is FF13.

 

[donny2112]

hint: a 4 years old PS2 game with a demo...

So you're saying that both the Wii and the PS3 are relying on a demo to help out their sales in the next couple of months.

 

[Spiegel]

I bet Konami announces MGS4:S at E3, scheduled for the end of the year.

And potential (announced and unannounced) 2009 releases:
+ PES 2010
+ Dynasty Warriors 7?
+ Tekken 6
+ GT5
+ The Last Remnant
+ FFXIII

So you're saying that both the Wii and the PS3 are relying on a demo to help out their sales in the next couple of months.

I don't know if that's funny or sad. Probably both

 

[PantherLotus]

Have you been reading too much David Macphail?

:lol

 

[Moor-Angol]

So you're saying that both the Wii and the PS3 are relying on a demo to help out their sales in the next couple of months.

yes, while 360 is probably relying on Cave's lovers :lol

I think the difference is that for Wii we know of relatively big games that have been confirmed for 2009- Monster Hunter 3 in the Summer, Wii Sports Resort Spring/Summer, Tales of Ten, and Samurai Warriors 3.

For PS3, the only big game that has even been announced that could conceivably come out in 2009 is FF13.

you really think that PS3 line-up will be empty till holiday season ?
i think this generation has showed us how short is the time between a game is announced and put on the market.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Should be interesting to see how Samurai Warriors 3 pans out. It'll be the first serious exclusive(?) Musou on the Wii. I question why Koei is doing this when at the same time they're releasing a new Musou spin-off or expansion every 4 months on the PS360.

 

[Defuser]

you really think that PS3 line-up will be empty till holiday season ?
i think this generation has showed us how short is the time between a game is announced and put on the market.

Dude,it's SCEJ if they can fuck this up and they bloody will.

 

[Y2Kev]

I don't know..I mean it had a horrid drop and is barely going to reach 200K.

You think? I mean I agree it's not great and is lollers for the poor accountants, but I think it'll definitely hit more than 200k.

 

[schuelma]

you really think that PS3 line-up will be empty till holiday season ?
i think this generation has showed us how short is the time between a game is announced and put on the market.

I don't think it will be empty, but given that most of the original HD announcements have now come and gone, I think its a valid question as to whether 3rd parties are going to continue to put the major franchises on the HD systems. Until we hear announcements I don't think you can just assume that big franchises are automatically on their way.

 

[schuelma]

You think? I mean I agree it's not great and is lollers for the poor accountants, but I think it'll definitely hit more than 200k.

Well, it dropped so drastically this week I think it might fall drastically next week to 9-10K..then its at 195K, maybe one more week in the charts and that's it until we get another update. I can see it ending up at 215-220K.

 

[cvxfreak]

The PS3 and 360 have proven to rise based on the availability of popular and excellent software.

Wii sales are more consistent (and consistently higher) but do have noticable slumps during empty periods as well.

 

[Jokeropia]

segata what about that beer?

We've still got a couple of years before we can call that bet, sp. I'm nowhere near as confident as I was at the time, but the Wii is pulling massive months in EU and NA, so hey, who knows.

Is this regarding Wii vs PS2 worldwide? If so, Wii is tracking ~15 million units ahead of PS2 at this point.

 

[Y2Kev]

Well, it dropped so drastically this week I think it might fall drastically next week to 9-10K..then its at 195K, maybe one more week in the charts and that's it until we get another update. I can see it ending up at 215-220K.

If you look at Microsoft's strategy, which was to cultivate a larger userbase through the consistent "priming" of the RPG pump, this has to be a pretty resounding thump.

Huge initial investment with BD for 205k or so, then the big thump that LO made, then Eternal Sonata, Tales, IU, TLR, and now SO4...which will probably sell about 220k. So after all that, marginal increase.

So given all those additional consoles sold since BD launched, what are they buying?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Is this regarding Wii vs PS2 worldwide? If so, Wii is tracking ~15 million units ahead of PS2 at this point.

The wording on the bet was strange, so I think for me to win, the Wii has to beat the PS2's *final* total within six years. I'd double check it if it really mattered. If I'm ever geographically near spwolf I'm buying that crazy sumbitch a beer no matter what happens.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

According to Famitsu numbers, Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid has had the 7th best first week for a psp game

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2G - 823k
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2 - 746k
3. Dissidia: Final Fantasy - 503k
4. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - 470k
5. Phantasy Star Portable - 329k
6. Gundam Vs Gundam - 240k
7. Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid - 227k
8. Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 - 210k
9. Metal Gear Solid: Portable OPS - 194k

Not bad for a spinoff

Isn't nearly every game on that list a "spin-off"?

I think North America will save SF4 like it saved NMH. Unfortunately, it's on the wrong systems to have any sort of legs, so it's not going to last long.

I personally think North America won't help much either. Fighting games (even in comparison from the past few years) have been going downhill here. It seems that only Soul Calibur as well as Mortal Kombat (barely) is relevant here.

Also I don't think Street Fighter IV has been advertised correctly from what I've seen of its commercials.

 

[Defuser]

Isn't nearly every game on that list a "spin-off"?

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2G - No
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2 - No
3. Dissidia: Final Fantasy - Yes
4. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - No
5. Phantasy Star Portable - No
6. Gundam Vs Gundam - No
7. Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid - Yes
8. Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 - Yes
9. Metal Gear Solid: Portable OPS - No

 

[cw_sasuke]

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2G - No
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2 - No
3. Dissidia: Final Fantasy - Yes
4. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - No
5. Phantasy Star Portable - No
6. Gundam Vs Gundam - No
7. Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid - Yes
8. Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 - Yes
9. Metal Gear Solid: Portable OPS - No

Crisis Core is a FF7 Spin-Off.

 

[Sage00]

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2G - No
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2 - No
3. Dissidia: Final Fantasy - Yes
4. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - No
5. Phantasy Star Portable - No
6. Gundam Vs Gundam - No
7. Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid - Yes
8. Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 - Yes
9. Metal Gear Solid: Portable OPS - No

Monster Hunter Portable is arguable. Crisis Core is definitely an FF7 spinoff. Portable Ops is definitely an MGS spin off.

 

[Totobeni]

GO SEGA GO RGG3 GO

hope for the best 7th Dragoon , Do your best

I think we're more likely to get a big budget core gamer original IP from Nintendo than see GT5 in 2009.

pure classic :lol

stop buying GT5P you PS3 owners let PD give us GT5 this year plz

 

[Defuser]

Monster Hunter Portable is arguable.

It's not,it's the same PS2 game with some modifications.There is no plot in Monster Hunter games,just go out and slay the fuck out of everything.

 

[Jaruru]

03/12 Rittai Picross

ordered mine!

 

[Arpharmd B]

Go PS3. I hope the momentum carries on with Biohazard 5. I'd love to see PS3/Wii get to DS/PSP position. That's probably wishful thinking, though.

After Bio 5 they need a price drop, sustain momentum.

 

[djtiesto]

Maybe. But is Star Ocean 4 good enough to warrant a top spot in the sales chart?

Absolutely, it's probably my favorite 360 game so far, not counting Rez HD.

 

[frankie_baby]

Go PS3. I hope the momentum carries on with Biohazard 5. I'd love to see PS3/Wii get to DS/PSP position. That's probably wishful thinking, though.

After Bio 5 they need a price drop, sustain momentum.

price drops dont sustain momentum just give temporary bumps, a steady release schedule is whats needed to sustain momentum

 

[near]

price drops dont sustain momentum just give temporary bumps, a steady release schedule is whats needed to sustain momentum

Price drops can sustain momentum if complemented by promotional activities.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

1. Monster Hunter Portable 2G - No
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2 - No
3. Dissidia: Final Fantasy - Yes
4. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - No
5. Phantasy Star Portable - No
6. Gundam Vs Gundam - No
7. Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid - Yes
8. Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 - Yes
9. Metal Gear Solid: Portable OPS - No

Uh...

It's not,it's the same PS2 game with some modifications.There is no plot in Monster Hunter games,just go out and slay the fuck out of everything.

So a game needs to be moderately heavy in plot to be considered a spin-off?

So you'd agree with me that Guitar Hero: On Tour for the DS and Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party for the Wii aren't spin-off's of those series?

 

[Grampa Simpson]

price drops dont sustain momentum just give temporary bumps, a steady release schedule is whats needed to sustain momentum

The funny thing is that there are industry professionals hoping and praying on a price cut since they're so heavily invested in the system.

Having the most expensive console on the market by a distance during a global recession is unlikely to have featured in Sony's original PlayStation 3 masterplan. But that is where the company finds itself today, and declining hardware sales, contrasting with rivals' fortunes, have increased pressure on the Japanese firm.

But rumours of an imminent price cut are circling, which, if correct, would be music to the ears of retailers and publishing partners. Not least Electronic Arts, one of many firms to have invested heavily in the future success of the platform.

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz, Redwood Shores general manager Glen Schofield revealed his fears over the positioning of the console in the market, agreeing that the pricepoint placed PS3 as a luxury item in difficult economic times.

"I'm really not sure what's going on with Sony," he said. "They've been such a great, great partner and PlayStation 2 being such a great machine that, God, I hope they get out of this and they figure it out and they're around for a long time."

He refused outright to call for a price cut, stating: "You know, I can't tell them what to do. I don't know their finances." But Schofield added that it was good for health of the whole industry to have three successful home consoles in the market. "I love having the three major machines like that."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ea-exec-crosses-fingers-for-sonys-future