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Media Create Sales 10/15 - 10/21 2007
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
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charlequin
Banned
Eteric Rice said:
"Not bad for <problem that's the publisher and/or console-maker's own damn fault>" is not a sensible standard. You don't get to say "well, I tried to do this, but I fucked it up -- so given that, it turned out pretty well!"
Eteric Rice
Member
charlequin said:
I'm just saying that everything was against this game from the start.
We all knew it, and they probably did also.
What are our Z&W sales predictions anyway?
I think...
50-70k in Japan LTD
100k in PAL LTD
100k in Americas LTD
so about 250k-270k. That would mean profit on Wii right?
Oh and atm I don't think Capcom cares about numbers..they're even bringing Okami to Wii which will sell only a little more then Z&W worldwide.
I think...
50-70k in Japan LTD
100k in PAL LTD
100k in Americas LTD
so about 250k-270k. That would mean profit on Wii right?
Oh and atm I don't think Capcom cares about numbers..they're even bringing Okami to Wii which will sell only a little more then Z&W worldwide.
ethelred said:
I reckon it will sell 1k a week for a while then slow down to 1k a month then finally something like 100 a month. By the end of this gen..it will have sold 50-70k in Japan.
ethelred said:
Eh? Why would they bring LP to Ps3. Its gonna bomb. Okami bombed on Ps2 with a 100 mil userbase and they still ported it to Wiis 12mil+ userbase.
Eteric Rice
Member
ethelred said:
It's sad to say that if most of us were the people who decided if these games get made or not, Zack & Wiki would have possibly been a whole lot cooler.
charlequin
Banned
Eteric Rice said:
That's spin, though. There's a ceiling on possible sales for a game like this (which should, in turn, generally specify the ceiling on development budget) but beyond that it was conscious choices on the part of individuals at Capcom and Nintendo that led to today's situation. It's not like the director died and they had to salvage his work or something -- they chose when to release the game, what to call it, how to market it, etc. and those choices all directly contributed to its sales (or lack thereof.)
Lobster said:
Porting a game to recoup some of its expensive development cost (since porting is extremely cheap in comparison to devleoping a whole new game) is completely different from releasing a new game and you know it.
Eteric Rice
Member
charlequin said:
I'm not saying they weren't retarded for green lighting this game (I wouldn't even have greenlighted it in it's current style/form). They definately were, and I don't know what the hell they were smoking... Maybe they took the "Wii is kiddie" thing to heart?
This game was fucked from the start, really. Doesn't stop it from being good, thankfully.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
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Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Phoenix Down said:
I agree that Super Mario Galaxy is in Japan not as hyped as New Super Mario Bros. was, but it is exactly this last game that put your post in the bog: it sold almost 5 millions in Japan alone and 11.5 millions worldwide.
So, I would not say that the Mario franchise isn't popular or that it hasn't sold well recently. Remember: Mario is today exactly what was after 1985: the best selling franchise ever. I would not underevaluate this factor. Maybe it will not sell a million in his first week, but it will sell for a loong time. Typical for all Mario games after all.
500k in first week in what I expect. After 3-4 weeks it will reach a million and then....God only knows how long it will stay in the top 10.
BishopLamont
Banned
schuelma said:
100k WW is an atomic bomba.
sakuragi said:
No. I'm talking about when in 2 weeks time the media create charts will have the Wii at around 100k because of Mario Galaxy.
I didn't make good use of the future tense in that statement.
But the one-two punch of Mario Galaxy and WiiFit will be all it needs to be sold out from now till Smash Bros.
Xeke said:
Um okay, I see what you did there. The wii didnt make push 100k in two weeks in months now and its sales have been in a downward spiral ever since. And I fail to see why you bought those numbers up. The fact is, the PS3 is slowly closing the gap and it will only get closer once the price gets to the mass market level. If the WII gets a boost in xmas then so will the PS3.
BTW. If Japan is a one console country then the PS2 is still king then since its still selling both software and hardware. :lol
Dante said:yup that the one, used to be[ B]waaaaay[/B] larger, now not so much
Well Wii isn't a monster like DS in Japan, it actually needs games to make it sell.
sakuragi said:
Uh..the Wii will be pushing 100k every week when Mario Galaxy comes out..Why are you having trouble understanding his post?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
You must mean the weekly gap, because from what I'm seeing the gap is still increasing in the Wii's favor, it's just slowed down as of late... by a fuckton.Dante said:
The Wii still has a sizeable lead that it's still increasing, instead of increasing by 80,000 units a week it's 7,000-10,000 units a week. Significant drop, and could be worrisome, if not for a reinvigorated Mario, and WiiFit coming soon.
If those two games do little then the console market at large in Japan should be worried.
DeadyFernGarden
Member
A gap is still a gap no matter how small it is. Especially when you are well behind.
charlequin
Banned
Xeke said:
BishopLamont
Banned
sakuragi said:
Holidays are coming up, people buy lost of stuff during the period. Ofcourse both PS3 and Wii will get a boost, but the Wii will get a bigger boost in absolute numbers since it's the more popular console. What's the use in closing the gap if it doesn't actually surpass it? So you think when PS3 drops to 200 dollars the Wii isn't going to be even cheaper?
Edit: Damn you GAF, I type all this and there's two billion responses to him already.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
= Big flopping dead fish?charlequin said:
slaughterking
Member
Oh, this is why we get the game one and a half month later then everyone else.schuelma said:
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Yep, but hey, it might actually sell.slaughterking said:
BishopLamont
Banned
charlequin said:
In this case it's a pond with no water.
Opus Angelorum
Member
BishopLamont said:
Ouch.
ethelred said:
But it is closing the gap if you factor the price. The PS3's price has yet to reach mass market level ($ -299), so its catering to a lesser audience than say the consumers that are currently buying Wiis. Once the price of both console reach mass market level, thee differences in value will be much more of a deciding factor in the consumers eyes than their price tag.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
sakuragi said:
You are not considering that PS3 sold like shit since it was out. The Wii has already sold almost as much as the Gamecube in its entire lifespan. These are determining factors in my opinion, because as good as the attach rate can be, if the userbase is limited, the potential of a game to sell well is greatly reduced.
The fact that this price cut has had a so little effect is a signal that the problem of PS3 is not only the price, but also the lack of big games. As said, this is expected, because PS3 is complicated to develop for and this Sony should have knew it since the beginning.
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sakuragi said:
And it's not closing the gap if you factor the fact THAT IT'S NOT CLOSING THE GAP.
sakuragi said:
Just as the PS3's price can drop, so will the Wiis. And software support will, most likely, continue to increase in that timeframe as well. It already has two million sellers in Japan, and it'll have two more by the time the year is out -- software that the Japanese want is on the Wii. That's really all there is to it.
Additionally, 299$ is not mass market pricing. 299$ is what consoles used to launch at. Mass market isn't until they're much lower than that. You've got a long wait ahead of you.