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Media Create Sales 11/12 - 11/18 2007
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Phife Dawg
Member
Considering christmas shopping season is by far the biggest for video games and is just about to come up, no not stupid. Really.mabuza said:
Phife Dawg said:
1. No, Christmas isn't the biggest for video games in Japan. New Year is.
2. By the time New Year rolls around, this game will have bombed so thoroughly that no one will even remember that it exists. This is way too early a release for a game to be caught up in the New Year wave.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Mario and Sonic bomba evidence part 2. Suck it, Deku.
Read the rest of my post, I already covered this.
AndoCalrissian said:
Read the rest of my post, I already covered this.
AdmiralViscen said:
Hold on to that champagne. I was mocking you for bragging about 'being right' about one game doing poorly and in the same bresth expressing 'surprise' at another doing well. Both titles in question were rather non controversial in their expected performances.
The Olympics title is not one I particularly care about. It's rather the stupidity and condescension you displayed which prompted the response.
As for your iPod write up, there's a huge difference between comparing two different products in different industries --matching it feature and feature, and saying there's a similarity in the business strategy. I'm not sure why you feel compelled to go back in time to 2005 and drag out the same retarded counterpoints but the similarity in the business strategy is a fact. Whether the software format is this or that is rather irrelevant.
Diatribe1974
Member
Wonder how well SMG would've done if they'd originally put it out on the DS instead?
AdmiralViscen
Banned
So you still haven't figured out what I actually said about GH3? I was surprised at its online activity. If I was surprised by its sales I would have said so in the NPD thread and not the WFC thread. Maybe the third time will be the charm for you grasping this.
BTW, you call that bragging? "Mario and Sonic is a bomba like I said?"? whoaaaa. Seems like a passing remark to me. I wasn't even directly speaking to anyone.
:lol
I don't even know what you're getting at in the iPod retort. Of course the business strategy is similar, but once again you seem to be reading my posts with the eyes of a 14 year old and totally missing my point. I was clearly saying that they'd follow the iPod strategy of repackaging hardware with functionality tweaks, while sticking with their own battle plan of not pushing out totally new hardware when they don't have to and not releasing a console that's a rehash of their last one with better graphics. I look forward to repeating this to you again tomorrow, like I had to with my GH3 comment.
I don't know who you think I'm aiming to please, I don't think I'm particularly noticeable around here. But I see you've edited out that particular flame.
edit: I think the real truth of it is that you think I'm an "asshole who spams GAF" and you saw your opportunity to bite off on me in that thread. Good night
BTW, you call that bragging? "Mario and Sonic is a bomba like I said?"? whoaaaa. Seems like a passing remark to me. I wasn't even directly speaking to anyone.
:lol
I don't even know what you're getting at in the iPod retort. Of course the business strategy is similar, but once again you seem to be reading my posts with the eyes of a 14 year old and totally missing my point. I was clearly saying that they'd follow the iPod strategy of repackaging hardware with functionality tweaks, while sticking with their own battle plan of not pushing out totally new hardware when they don't have to and not releasing a console that's a rehash of their last one with better graphics. I look forward to repeating this to you again tomorrow, like I had to with my GH3 comment.
I don't know who you think I'm aiming to please, I don't think I'm particularly noticeable around here. But I see you've edited out that particular flame.
edit: I think the real truth of it is that you think I'm an "asshole who spams GAF" and you saw your opportunity to bite off on me in that thread. Good night
Phife Dawg
Member
I know, it's easier to refer to as christmas shopping season though (being released worldwide and everything). That's why I said it's round the corner whereas in the west it already started (1 month). All the sales picked up during christmas shopping season only ad up to what they can achieve during the olympics. I mean it's Sega (Nintendo in Japan) we're talking about so they may not try to push it during the olympics but I doubt it would have sold better if it was released during the olympics and not prior.ethelred said:
Plus this is not a hardcore game, so not a lot of people who will buy it knows it exists atm anyway. Re-launch it during the olympics and get additional sales.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
MARIO AND SONIC IS A HUGE HIT
EVERYONE WAS ON VACATION
PUNCH WAS SERVED
EVERYONE WAS ON VACATION
PUNCH WAS SERVED
BishopLamont
Banned
Please buy SSBB Japan, Sonic is merely a guest that Nintendo has put in to make up for the S&M bomba.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Lobster said:
Stop dream dude.
The Innocent X
Banned
Youd think one day Nintendo would try to make a handheld that wasn`t easily pirateable. That's where they could do better. OF course if they make money on the hardware they may not care
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Mato said:
No shortages at all. Simply 11 weeks ago, without a solid reason, Wii and DS went down at the same time. Why ?
Hypothesis of the GAF: end of crazy demand, interest down, really no games after Mario Party 8, fad vanishing........
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
cvxfreak said:
Yeah, but seriously, it is an isolated case. What is the real probability that Mario & Sonic sells well if during its first day it bombs like that ? It almost never happens. You can observe that more often with non-games.
The reality is that this overdose of Mario-spinoff games and Sonic spinoff-games are destroying the franchises in Japan.
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
I thought it would have done better considering that only it, SMG and Wii Fit are Nintendo's Wii games for the holiday. It could pick up and I wouldn't doubt the possibility of the game returning to the charts in August 2008, but yeah, it's a bad start.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Did you mean, Sony? Cuz I wasn't aware that pirates where a big issue with the DS. They still make games on ROMs, right? That's a lot better than including a memory disk and an invitation for everyone to change the firmware.The Innocent X said:
The Innocent X
Banned
skinnyrattler said:
Er.. For the price of a single game you can get a flash cart you can fit 32 games on. No hardware mods required, only a computer with the internet and a USB port
DS piracy is rife everywhere
JoshuaJSlone
Member
There are plenty of examples of games released in early-mid November that get a second wind closer to the new year, though few with unimpressive first weeks.ethelred said:
Magic Taizen is one. Came out 2006-11-16, had a 23K first week, and was at 164K by the end of the year.
True Swing Golf wasn't exactly a roaring success, but it released 2005-11-07, sold 5K its first week, and had nearly quadrupled that at 19K by the end of the year.
Most that stand out started strong, though, like Kirby Squeak Squad or Mario Party 4.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Yes, and as Moor Angol has oft pointed out, Magic Taizen did that at about 5 yen in the most budget of all budget bins. And as for True Swing Golf? Come on. 19k is not a success at all. "Quadrupling" is not an impressive term to toss about when you're dealing with such small numbers. It could have even -- gasp! -- quintuppled and it still wouldn't amount to much.
Sonic & Mario will certainly sell (a bit) more between now and the first week in January. It's still going to end up as a raging failure in Japan.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Well, I'm pretty clearly not talking about games that are greeted with a warm reception initially and then bolster that early success with continued success fed by positive word of mouth.
Souldriver
Member
Lobster said:
Arguably Nintendo's approach of not doing anything and just leaving piracy easy is better then Sony's.The Innocent X said:
All Sony's efforts to stop piracy on PSP only served to expose the problem to wide public, as opposed to containing it.
Case in point on what I'm talking about:
skinnyrattler said:
A cheap ripoff of MinnaNoGolf - in Japan, not published by Nintendo on a Nintendo console AND a PC port - I think it probably did as good as developer expected.ethereld said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Yeah, those are the rule to which a potential M&S boost would be the exception.ethelred said:
Speaking of which, though, SMG could be the one in such a position this year. Mario Party 4 and Kirby Squeak Squad are both early November releases with sub-200K first weeks that ended near 700K for the year. Looking back, it's the rare Nintendo late-October/early-November release which doesn't get a boost. Like Eternal Darkness.
I think you're getting mixed up here. True Swing Golf was an original Nintendo-published T&E Soft-developed DS game. Probably you're thinking of Super Swing Golf on Wii,Fafalada said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
JoshuaJSlone said:
Yeah, but anyway JJ, don't dream like Lobster does. The launch for a game says a lot of thing about its future. It is really hard for a game who starts bad to sell well in the long term. Maybe Super Mario Galaxy has some possibilities even after these disappointing, but not desastrous numbers, but M&S not at all.
In the past, only few games reached very successfull levels with a very slow start. The first Pokémon on GameBoy or Brain Training on DS for example. But they are isolated cases. Anyway, the first week will tell us more, but the 4 millions whom Sega was talking about was pure crap since the beginning IMO. Mario & Sonic will be lucky to reach 500k WW on Wii. DS is another story, but I still don't expect big numbers...
Moor-Angol
Banned
Phife Dawg said:
I agree with mabuza, releasing now Mario & Sonic is stupid, EA releases FIFA World Cup in november or in june ??
Phife Dawg
Member
April. It's also a series though and gets yearly revisions (the main Fifa series). It's not really comparable. Do you think M&S would sell more if it was released next year instead of this year before the holiday rush?Moor-Angol said:
Segata Sanshiro
Member
My gut says Famitsu yes, Media Create no, but it's going to be close at any rate.Kyoufu said:
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schuelma said:
It would have if Nintendo had actually made it.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
WiiFitbump coming soon?
SMG not selling gangbusters was to be expected. Wii's market doesn't buy games like that. They reached out to people who don't care for traditional games. So I don't understand why people are saying they don't think WiiFit won't do well.
WiiFit fits the same demographic that Wii Sports does. WiiFit will be massive.
WiiFit fits the same demographic that Wii Sports does. WiiFit will be massive.