Media Create Sales 2/19 - 2/25
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According to Sony, PS3 is a digital hub, whereas Wii is a games console:
Sony Computer Entertainment Australia's Managing Director Michael Ephraim:
In other words, Sony has lost the plot completely. In the real world 180k for Gundam Musou is expected, but nevertheless disappointing, and for the game to only double hw sales, which were ~20k per week, is bad.
Sony Computer Entertainment Australia's Managing Director Michael Ephraim:
This explains why PS3 has been selling poorly on a games console chart. I'm sure PS3 is doing very well on the digital hub chart. Therefore, as a game selling on a digital hub, Gundam Musou's sales are no doubt excellent, and for a game to double the sales of digital hub must be equally impressive.
In other words, Sony has lost the plot completely. In the real world 180k for Gundam Musou is expected, but nevertheless disappointing, and for the game to only double hw sales, which were ~20k per week, is bad.
DeaconKnowledge
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PantherLotus said:
I say they have far less than that. Sony has no more than 8 months to turn things around. If the Wii is still dominating by this holiday season, the war is over.
And unless Sony has some surefire megat0ns to drop at GDC, then we can pretty much declare a Winner for Japan.
Sony needed to come out strong, as did Nintendo. Nintendo did it, and people won't wait for Sony to respond. Slowly but surely, the PS2 fanbase is being siphoned away, and it's not by the PS3.
Phife Dawg
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Huh? You should read my post carefully...I'm not having any problem with the so called non-games. Actually I own BT, BBA and bought English Training for my girl friend.P90 said:
I have a problem though with people calling them non-games because they don't fit the description which was once "invented" to classify AC, which strays from a classic gaming formula.
Plus I'm just as tired as you are about all these "lolz non-games" bandwaggon type of posters.
Phife Dawg said:
I think you have a point about this being a Media Create tread, but ultimately it's about sales and right now Japanese sales leave rather narrow room for rational disagreement (Gundam M killed Media create fun!).
You may be right about Germany. My point is we will know in two weeks.
And you are right about a lot of developers being locked in already. But certainly port development cycles are not quite as long. And what may be going on is developers putting PS3 projects at the back burner during the last few months and waiting for the big Euro launch news. Now if you are right about PS3 taking Europe by storm, I think there will also be a bunch of announcments - of new projects and ports.
PantherLotus
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f@luS said:
Stop the insanity.
1. Wii has more power than has been shown, so the "10 year old" graphic bit is just a needless (and inaccurate) troll.
2. "SO MIND BLOWING THEY WONT BE ABLE TO STOP THEMSELVES" :lol :lol
3. $200-300? :lol In 2-3 years? :lol
Dude, just stop. You can't get a tag just by being blatantly stupid.
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't think that there are a lot of developers "locked in" to the PS3. It seems that only the big 3rd party studios have things in development, as well as Sony's 1st and 2nd party devs.
People keep pointing to MGS4 and FFXIII as sticking points, but what else is there beyond that from a Japanese perspective? Tekken DR, Ridge Racer? I think it will be a lot easier for Japanese developers to switch development from the PS3 to the Wii than is being let on.
People keep pointing to MGS4 and FFXIII as sticking points, but what else is there beyond that from a Japanese perspective? Tekken DR, Ridge Racer? I think it will be a lot easier for Japanese developers to switch development from the PS3 to the Wii than is being let on.
Sho_Nuff82
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f@luS said:
Graphics aside, what kind of games will be released in 2-3 years time with these kinds of sales?
The DS has the worst graphics of any of the major systems in Japan right now (they are literally over 10 years old), and it's running away from all of them. At least in Japan, graphics don't matter nearly as much as you think.
f@luS
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PantherLotus said:
1. And Its still current gen hardware and not much more powerful than xbox so we will stick to last gen gfx.
2. Whats so lol about that?
3. its already 300-400$ in japan (20/60gb) whats so wrong?
stop 10smiley/msg , thats so kiddie and it makes nobody want to answer.Thx
Segata Sanshiro
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starship said:I don't think 40k in a week is that bad, what did you expect from this platform while it tends to be the second platform in Japan this generation?
I'm sure it'll sell more than what GC did last gen.
Maybe. And that's the really wacky bit.
DeaconKnowledge
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f@luS said:
It's hard not to laugh. Your post was so ridiculous.
The Power of the PS3 will turn consumers into zombies confirmed.
Sho_Nuff82
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starship said:Did you find the pic (or gif) you was searching for?
Yeah, sorry for that brain fart last night. :lol
On another note, is the PS3 situation in Japan like the one in the states, where the 20GB are impossible to find, and the 60GB are everywhere? If so, Sony's $400 pricetag may be as big a myth as the $500 pricetag over here.
Segata Sanshiro
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f@luS said:
1. We still have no idea what the Wii is capable of, but if it's better than the Xbox that at least puts it at 2002 tech, so no, in three years it won't be ten years old. But simple addition can be a devil at times, I'm sure.
2. It's "lol" because you expect people to abandon the popular system and go buy what will be, at that time, a dead system. Who will be making these super awesome looking games by that time? Because you'll be lucky if anyone is supporting the PS3 with full-budget games that appeal to the Japanese if these sales numbers continue.
3. The actual prices in Japan are 425/open for the 20/60. That the PS3 can be found cheaper than that is not a good sign, I assure you of that. And as for 200/300, that's a price drop of more than 50% and 225/X dollars. Look at the PSP...heck, look at the PS2, which comparatively had generous price drops. Do you really think that the PS3 will be 200$ in three years unless it's completely dead in the water?
I agree about the smileys though. So I guess that's the one thing you've got.
I'm wondering if Sony even knows what the problems are?DeaconKnowledge said:
It's too convenient for them to put it all down to price, as the gaming media and so many on this forum do. As far as Japan is concerned price is obviously only part of the problem, the bigger stumbling blocks for PS3 are:
- The shifting in tastes of the Japanese market
- The decline in popularity of many franchises
- Development costs which are too high
- Nintendo becoming hugely popular once again on the back of EAD and their other internal teams
40k isn't terrible, but I was meaning bad in the context of Gundam Musou being the combination of two massive franchises, PS3 being the successor to PS2 and no more major releases dated for PS3.starship said:I don't think 40k in a week is that bad, what did you expect from this platform while it tends to be the second platform in Japan this generation?
I'm sure it'll sell more than what GC did last gen.
There was a lot riding on Gundam Musou, if these figures are correct and sales don't pick up next week, I don't think it delivered.
f@luS
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Segata Sanshiro said:
1. We can still guess , and the biggest leap in this gen is the HD.Wii aint hd.
2. I never said abandon, a lot of gamers have many systems, im just saying they will want one day , a wow factor. This fact (/guess) + some japanese games (FF) will make it happens i think.
3.See before , was my misake
Segata Sanshiro
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Basically what it comes down to is that Sony thought they were dictating the market, and are now being unpleasantly surprised when they turn around to see the market took a right at Albequerque. They no longer seem to have a good idea of what the market wants, because they thought the market wanted whatever Sony wanted.
This is affectionately known as the "Nintendo Folly".
Don't get me wrong, I understand your point. I just don't think it applies to the Japanese market. I think it's certainly a somewhat valid concern for the Wii in western markets, but if the last four years have taught us anything, it's that Japan really isn't terribly concerned with "Wow factor".
This is affectionately known as the "Nintendo Folly".
f@lus said:
Don't get me wrong, I understand your point. I just don't think it applies to the Japanese market. I think it's certainly a somewhat valid concern for the Wii in western markets, but if the last four years have taught us anything, it's that Japan really isn't terribly concerned with "Wow factor".
ziran said:
But there is really not much they can do about any of those things. What they should be focusing now is to make sure they will be getting timely ports of most Western 360 games - apparently porting from 360 to PS3 is considerably more difficult than from PS2 to Xbox (and this for early 360 games which did not push the hardware all that hard) and the third parties have to spend the extra money on Blu-Ray disks (were any games for PS3 released on DVDs at all?).
Cosmonaut X
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ziran said:
I suspect they do, but I also suspect there's very little they can do about them now that the wheels are in motion. Planning for new systems can take years, development of key titles just as long and the strategy behind the pricing/features etc. is set out well in advance of launch. Changes to those elements can't be made overnight & if major missteps are made, then correcting them is difficult or impossible.
Bolded a couple of sections just to make a point: all this talk of the "wow" factor, or generational leaps seems to relate to graphics. What that overlooks is that - especially to the more casual audience - the Wii controls also represent a leap and offer up a similar "wow" factor, no matter how much some of the GAF hardcore like to sneer at "waggle".
PantherLotus
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f@luS said:
1. Your lables are meaningless, as is the relevance of such a statement. Thinking that it will somehow make a difference this gen is absurd.
2. "So mind-blowing" doesn't make you giggle at least a little? It sounds ridiculous. As if graphic capability magically makes people buy overpriced systems? C'mon.
3. You think that Sony will break precendent and sell a system for less than 50% of its initial MSRP in less than 5 years? Do you have any clue how absurd that is?
4. Sorry about the smilies. Your assertions were so kiddy I thought you'd appreciate somebody laughing at your jokes.
f@luS said:
Mind-blowing games with tons of sparks are still only targeting the hardcore market. That market is huge, don't get me wrong, but it seems like the general theme behind the whole outdated Wii argument is that Nintendo will just sit back while Sony and MS pump out the goodies. You can bet if Nintendo has their way, that Wii will be seen as a fun, healthy, and useful product for everyone and their pet, and not just in Japan.
Even if the PS3 is $200-$300 as you say in 2-3 years, you have to wonder where the Wii will be in terms of price and features at that time also. Nintendo is in a position where they can probably match any pricing strategy the other companies implement.
I'm of the opinion that if Nintendo ropes in the casuals as they would like to, that Wii will have plenty of lifetime with excellent sales. This will only happen if Nintendo is able to come up with the software to hook their target market (Wii Health says hi), which I think they are totally capable of doing after their successful experiment in the DS.
So what happens if your predictions come true and Wii does lose momentum over the years? It's hard to tell, but Nintendo would always have the hardware revision option, which who knows would work or not. Or an early (by console standards) release of a successor system could be their contingency plan. I'm all out of foresight in that area.
Eteric Rice
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PantherLotus said:
Agreed. HD won't save it in Japan. I have my doubts about it saving it in the west, as most people I know aren't as anal about HD as some people here.
No offence to the HDTV owners (I'm one). What I'm trying to say is that most people aren't worried as much about image quality as many of us are. At least, not around here. : /
For me it's the main point.PantherLotus said:
I really don't care to wait price goes down while i play something cheap.
And most of casual/nongamers/lapsed think the same way, just look at ps2 sales over the years... If most ppl really care about graphics they would have bought ps2 a long time ago...
So IMO most ppl will just buy a wii, cos it have a accessible price (not cheap), and will wait for price goes down playing wii..
But when price goes down, wii flux of games will no longer be stoppable.. and ppl will continue with the system.. Untill next-gen arrives (that should be right after price get accessible anyway, and i don't mean only system price, i mean the whole HDTV set, cos it's the only way to really enjoy ps3/x360)
They sure love one next-gen system.
DeaconKnowledge
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Durante said:
Jesus, not this shit again.
Phife Dawg
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No harm done, no hard feelingsP90 said:
. The funny thing with the so called non-games is that Sony had a relatively big campaign for their application "Talkman" (a couple of thousand phrases in different languages)-I haven't seen anyone complaining about that. Plus Sims is pretty much the textbook example of a non-game as Iwata envisioned it. I guess the GAF-title non-game really does depend on the success of the software and the plattform it's released on.Souldriver
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Yes, lets take this thread into that direction!TTP said:
DefectiveReject
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How about this?
Who cares
PS3 and Wii are still on sale regardless of how much each sold. They all sell like crap compared to DS.
DS has shown that if you have a product that really does appeal to everyone, then everyone will buy it in their Hundreds of thousands EACH WEEK and not 10s of thousands. I think if Wii had the supply it might get up towards 100,000 a week though (only for a while though).
PS3 will pick up eventually and i hope this year too, as from what i read today from some Aussie magazine interview with Reggie Nintendo are targeting this years holiday season as the well win or lose time. Additional plants manufacturing product, new partnership channels (which he states some go against the appealing to the masses ethos they have), software of all types going into and through the season.
Its a really good read. I think online and 2 of the 3 big titles will launch here, with lots of non game type software.
Who cares
PS3 and Wii are still on sale regardless of how much each sold. They all sell like crap compared to DS.
DS has shown that if you have a product that really does appeal to everyone, then everyone will buy it in their Hundreds of thousands EACH WEEK and not 10s of thousands. I think if Wii had the supply it might get up towards 100,000 a week though (only for a while though).
PS3 will pick up eventually and i hope this year too, as from what i read today from some Aussie magazine interview with Reggie Nintendo are targeting this years holiday season as the well win or lose time. Additional plants manufacturing product, new partnership channels (which he states some go against the appealing to the masses ethos they have), software of all types going into and through the season.
Its a really good read. I think online and 2 of the 3 big titles will launch here, with lots of non game type software.
Eteric Rice
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f@luS said:
Because the "next-gen" games don't really do much that the "last-gen" couldn't.
DeaconKnowledge
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Phife Dawg said:No harm done, no hard feelings
The GAF definition of "Non-Game" is any Nintendo franchise that sells over a million units.
Souldriver
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Well, I don't really have a problem with that sentence, because, whether you want it or not, a lot of people will never ever consider the Wii to be "next-gen". But the sentence "Why does Japan hate gaming" gets a big rolleyes from me.ylvis_ said:
Segata Sanshiro
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It's not that Japanese tastes have failed to account for the "next-gen" systems. It's that the "next-gen" systems have failed to account for Japanese tastes.
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NintendosBooger
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Souldriver said:
Who determines what qualifies as "next gen." Nintendo has always launched its consoles around the $200 price tag, with the right amount of next-gen technology to correspond with that cost, but now they're expected to change their tradition, pack their systems with unnecessary garbage, and have graphics on pace with certain PC games in order to be considered next-gen?
The Wii is next gen. The fact that Nintendo has not priced their system out of the range of casual buyers -- a practice they've maintained for 20+ years -- while their competitors have elected to do so is irrelevant.
Souldriver
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Well, I didn't say the Wii is current gen. But I'm just saying you should accept the fact that a lot of people do think the Wii is, it'll save you a lot of trouble and frustration. Some people define "next gen" by the power of the console, others by the year it comes to the market, ... I don't know if there's a perfect definition for next gen.NintendosBooger said: