Joe Molotov
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cvxfreak said:
:lol Oh Tabris.
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Media Create Sales 2/26 - 3/4
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:lol Oh Tabris.
Eteric Rice
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chibcicylist said:
:lol
See what I meant saying the PS3 vs. Wii war was getting boring...
I will not argue with anybody's deeply held beliefs about the likelihood of divine intervention in this console war. But might I suggest something - if you really believe PS3 is going to make a comeback : GO BUY SONY SHARES RIGHT NOW. Even better, buy call options on Sony stock - you invest a couple of thousand bucks now and stylishly drive away in a Porshe by the end of the year (or whenever you are predicting the coming of the Messiah). And imagine the satifcation of coming to GAF then and saying not just "I told you so", but "My Porshe and me told you so".
I will not argue with anybody's deeply held beliefs about the likelihood of divine intervention in this console war. But might I suggest something - if you really believe PS3 is going to make a comeback : GO BUY SONY SHARES RIGHT NOW. Even better, buy call options on Sony stock - you invest a couple of thousand bucks now and stylishly drive away in a Porshe by the end of the year (or whenever you are predicting the coming of the Messiah). And imagine the satifcation of coming to GAF then and saying not just "I told you so", but "My Porshe and me told you so".
Joe Molotov
Member
The Sphinx said:
In January 2006, after the huge Christmas sales followed by massive shortages. That was the last time.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
HokieJoe said:
Was the Dreamcast enticing at $99?
60_gig_PS3
Banned
HokieJoe said:
no. If PS3 sales can only double when Gundam Musou is released it is surely doomed!
But when will that be? 2009. Let's say they cut to $500 in holiday 2007. Then $400 in holiday 2008. Then another $100 sometime that year in 2009. That's a lot of price cutting that I don't see happening. Even at $300 it is common knowledge that $200 is when the mass market starts buying.
I just don't see it.
Stormbringer
Member
cvxfreak said:
Eh, Izzy...I clearly remember him from when I was reading through my first Media-Create threads as a lurker. Spinning for Sony indeed. I wonder how he would react to the current situation...Meltdown ?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
TopDreg said:
I'm only following his scenario to its natural conclusion.
There are two ways the PS3 gets to be $300. Either it's a few years off, and if sales continue like this, it will be effectively dead in Japan. Or, it's tanking like a mofo. Either of these two scenarios are obviously akin to the Dreamcast, or if you like, the $79.99 Game Cube.
super funk
Member
AniHawk said:
Wait until Pokemon Topaz.
Segata Sanshiro said:
I'd say the possibility of it happening is guaranteed to be at least a few years, given that if the PS3 really does tank that bad then Sony most likely won't have the budget necessary to lower the PS3's price to 300 dollars until that 3-4 year stretch is over.
Edit: Eh... maybe you noticed, but I was actually tryin' to be sarcastic with what I said about the Dreamcast. Sorry if it wasn't clear.
Juwanna Peezadis
Member
I hope this is sarcasm. If it's not, I'm ashamed to share a tag with you. "Japan hats gamez confirmed" is rather tired by now.Pistolero said:
Segata Sanshiro
Member
TopDreg said:
I hear ya. I'm just being extra-cautious since I've been accused of being seven different types of fanboy in the last week.
Inhumanility
Banned
chibcicylist said:
I predicted Wii sales would be lower than 63k, so I was pleased with myself.
DS you can't really predict its sales, it defies all trends and patterns. The Wii, however, has a set pattern for right now, so I expect next week's sales to be slightly less than 68k
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
apujanata said:
That depends. MHP2 is approaching the number of owners of MHP1, how far it goes beyond remains to be seen. If it has legs, I'd say PSP would remain around 40 to 50 for the next couple weeks.
Mr. Pointy
Member
From what I can tell, there are a buttload of games that are crawling to 1 million sales in the charts. You've got;
Kirby Squeak Squad
MHP1
MHP2
Wii Play
Love & Berry
FFIII
And to a lesser extent, since they're all about ~700-800k;
Cooking Navi
Tamagotchi 2
Ryu Ga Gotoku
It's pretty amazing.
Kirby Squeak Squad
MHP1
MHP2
Wii Play
Love & Berry
FFIII
And to a lesser extent, since they're all about ~700-800k;
Cooking Navi
Tamagotchi 2
Ryu Ga Gotoku
It's pretty amazing.
Barf_the_Mog said:
It seems that after I killed him on the gamefaqs board, he is reincarnated in NeoGAF. I hope he no longer did any stupid bet, that might get him killed in this board. I am proud of the fact that I am the one and only "slayer of Link316".
I am just joking, about the proud things
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Wii comparisons: At 14 weeks Wii is where GCN was at 63 weeks, DS was at 8.5 weeks, and PS2 was at 13 weeks.
It's worth pointing out that Famitsu and Media Create seem to differ on early DS numbers quite a bit. So while by Media Create's numbers Wii is behind DS, if one instead uses Famitsu's Wii and DS numbers, by week 13 Wii is ahead. See for yourself.
PS3 comparisons: At 17 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 1.6 weeks, PSP was at 7.6 weeks, and GCN was at 14.6 weeks.
PS3 vs Wii: This is the highest weekly percentage of PS3/Wii sales PS3 has had since Wii was released, 43.2% (previous high 42.7% week of 2006-12-25). If PS3 continued at this rate and Wii stopped selling, it would catch up in 22.8 weeks (August 10, 2007). If "the flip" happened, PS3 and Wii would meet in 71.8 weeks (July 18, 2008). This is the farthest out a "flip" measurement has been, since this is the closest PS3 and Wii sales have ever been. Wii is now about a million units past PS3.
DS's numbers being down a bit this week, the meetup date with PS2 based on this week is further out: 50.3 weeks (February 19, 2008).
It's worth pointing out that Famitsu and Media Create seem to differ on early DS numbers quite a bit. So while by Media Create's numbers Wii is behind DS, if one instead uses Famitsu's Wii and DS numbers, by week 13 Wii is ahead. See for yourself.
PS3 comparisons: At 17 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 1.6 weeks, PSP was at 7.6 weeks, and GCN was at 14.6 weeks.
PS3 vs Wii: This is the highest weekly percentage of PS3/Wii sales PS3 has had since Wii was released, 43.2% (previous high 42.7% week of 2006-12-25). If PS3 continued at this rate and Wii stopped selling, it would catch up in 22.8 weeks (August 10, 2007). If "the flip" happened, PS3 and Wii would meet in 71.8 weeks (July 18, 2008). This is the farthest out a "flip" measurement has been, since this is the closest PS3 and Wii sales have ever been. Wii is now about a million units past PS3.
DS's numbers being down a bit this week, the meetup date with PS2 based on this week is further out: 50.3 weeks (February 19, 2008).
Depends on which tracker you look at. By Famitsu's counting, it's still not quite there as of the latest numbers. Should only be 1-2 more weeks, though.santouras said:
You should put some candy in your post to attract attention! Here's a proposal for Significant Note #10: "When PS3's graphics are mindblowingly irresistable and it begins to outsell Wii by 20K each week, it will take 51 weeks to become market leader."PantherLotus said:
Well, PS1 and PS2 had their worldwide releases spread over a year-ish. If they'd been able to put PS3 out a year earlier in Japan than NA and Europe where PS2 continued to be stronger longer, things would probably be a lot better for them now. Certainly the neutered launch numbers in both NA and Japan didn't do them any favors.PS360 said:
PS2 remains hot in the west, but has significantly slowed down in Japan. If we imagine a world where since PS3s launch we count all PS2 sales toward PS3, the new PS3 total would be... 1,139,501 by Media Create's count. Still significantly less than PS2 or Wii at the same time.60_gig_PS3 said:
I have honestly wondered the same thing.schuelma said:
PS2 still accounts for a fair slice of Famitsu's weekly software sales pie. Since the introduction of PS3/Wii it has slipped below 20% a lot more than it used to, though. Definitely a downward trend, but looking only at the top 50 games misses a lot.The Sphinx said:
As long as we're pulling out all varieties of "DS is huge" tidbits, it's worth noting that just 3 weeks ago DS sold over 200K in an early February week. That's more than any week PSP has ever had.chibicyclist said:
*shrug* If a system is lacking momentum, a price drop alone probably won't have a long-term effect. I'm not about to predict exactly how the momentum for each will seem 2 years from now, though.HokieJoe said:
cvxfreak said:
SURELY YOU JEST!?
Seriously, where did this come from? I'd actually like that a lot, especially if they expanded the Ruins of Alph to be a lot more than what it was in the original game. I want to see more puzzle elements in Pokemon beyond warp tiles and one way conveyor belts.
Here's the updated DS/PSP ratio graph as I promised. Recall, a 1 means DS sales = PSP sales, a 2 means DS sales are two times the PSP sales, and so on.
The MHP release week was the first week in almost 2 years that PSP software sales exceeded DS software sales (ratio was 0.8).
The MHP release week was the first week in almost 2 years that PSP software sales exceeded DS software sales (ratio was 0.8).
Avrum said:SURELY YOU JEST!?
Seriously, where did this come from? I'd actually like that a lot, especially if they expanded the Ruins of Alph to be a lot more than what it was in the original game. I want to see more puzzle elements in Pokemon beyond warp tiles and one way conveyor belts.
There are shittons of references to Gold and Silver in Diamond and Pearl, including Pokemon locations such as Johto. It's more fan speculation than anything, but it seems like there's a good chance.
imastalker co.
Banned
what are the current worldwide ps3 and wii numbers at right now?
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
Over a lincoln for ninny, a pair of washingtons for sunny, and just under a hamilton for missy. :lol
If that's not good enough, I'll remove the post no problem.
If that's not good enough, I'll remove the post no problem.
Inhumanility
Banned
Seems like some GAFFers are just jealous is all.
Wii I have at 4.5 million worldwide. With 1.7 mill in Japan, 1.5 mill in the US, and 1.28 in others (Korea + Australia + Europe). PS3 I have at 1.65 million
Wii I have at 4.5 million worldwide. With 1.7 mill in Japan, 1.5 mill in the US, and 1.28 in others (Korea + Australia + Europe). PS3 I have at 1.65 million
Inhumanility said:
To all junior member who are even thinking of saying "GAF is jealous", please go back to the old m-create thread (in the sales archive forum), and see how wrong your opinion is.
Edit : For those junior members that are too lazy to search it, I give you one example of the bickering thread :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112845
and please don't raise this issue again.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
The main thing is to have a legitimate non-leak source when bringing up a number. Considering GAF has been getting numbers directly from NPD since the month Wii and PS3 launched, pretty much anything regarding them should be kosher.apujanata said:
That and all the story-based foreshadowing in Fire Red and Leaf Green, such as the G/S rival being the son of (I'd spoiler tag this, but then people could still accidentally click on it) a certain someone, the last holdouts trying to reconstruct Team Rocket, and the information on computers about trying to evolve Pokemon with magnetic waves, which leads to the Lake of Rage thing. I think there was even a reference somewhere in there about Slowpoke tails, but I don't remember.cvxfreak said:
Okay, I think I'm finally ready to offer some predictions and opinions (after reading all the GDC news and this entire thread).
PS3 doubled it's sales over last week. Everyone who says Gundam Musou didn't give it much of a boost need to check that again. it doubled it's sales. Not spectacular by any means, but still significant.
I think PS3 sales will hover between 27k-30k for another week, but I'm not sure GM can sustain sales beyond that, and PS3 really has nothing interesting for the rest of this month. So after next week, back down to 18k-23k weekly sales until Golden Week, where they'll get another slight boost, but then drop again the week after, at least until Minna no Golf (barring some sort of surprise release).
Wii definitely has a week on/week off pattern, but it's sales are also getting progressively lower each succeeding pair of weeks. Nintendo only has one major release coming this month in the form of Sonic atSR (or is Japan getting SSX Blur also, plus, would they even care if they were?). On the other hand, they have Super Paper Mario in April, as well as their announced production increase.
So I predict for Nintendo a continuation of the alternating downward slide until early April, where they'll have a massive week with SPM, followed by a very small week, followed by hopefully a reliable average of sales, instead of their current alternating pattern.
DS is....honestly, I don't know what DS is going to do. They have a fairly robust library of games coming, and since they're increasing Wii production in April, there's a decent chance they'll be increasing DS production at the same time. So I'll go out on a limb and predict that, starting 2nd week in April, DS will average 160k-180k per week. And will still sell everything it ships.
360 has nothing until Trusty Bell, hardly even worth discussing.
PSP is doing good, but unfortunately has nothing major until FFVII:Crisis Core. Monster Hunter Portable 2 seems to have decent legs, but is also heavily frontloaded. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop into the 11-20 range next week, while still keeping PSP sales respectable, probably in the 40k-50k range, for at least the next 2 weeks. After that, I see PSP dropping to the 35k-40k range until FFVII:CC (I may be wrong on my PSP FF releases, but I think CC is still planned in advance of Anniversary I & II and Tactics - I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all roughly interchangeable as far as PSP sales are concerned, with CC being a bigger draw by, I'd say, 10k in hardware sales). The PSP will stay ahead of the PS3 at least until the 3rd quarter of this year.
PS3 doubled it's sales over last week. Everyone who says Gundam Musou didn't give it much of a boost need to check that again. it doubled it's sales. Not spectacular by any means, but still significant.
I think PS3 sales will hover between 27k-30k for another week, but I'm not sure GM can sustain sales beyond that, and PS3 really has nothing interesting for the rest of this month. So after next week, back down to 18k-23k weekly sales until Golden Week, where they'll get another slight boost, but then drop again the week after, at least until Minna no Golf (barring some sort of surprise release).
Wii definitely has a week on/week off pattern, but it's sales are also getting progressively lower each succeeding pair of weeks. Nintendo only has one major release coming this month in the form of Sonic atSR (or is Japan getting SSX Blur also, plus, would they even care if they were?). On the other hand, they have Super Paper Mario in April, as well as their announced production increase.
So I predict for Nintendo a continuation of the alternating downward slide until early April, where they'll have a massive week with SPM, followed by a very small week, followed by hopefully a reliable average of sales, instead of their current alternating pattern.
DS is....honestly, I don't know what DS is going to do. They have a fairly robust library of games coming, and since they're increasing Wii production in April, there's a decent chance they'll be increasing DS production at the same time. So I'll go out on a limb and predict that, starting 2nd week in April, DS will average 160k-180k per week. And will still sell everything it ships.
360 has nothing until Trusty Bell, hardly even worth discussing.
PSP is doing good, but unfortunately has nothing major until FFVII:Crisis Core. Monster Hunter Portable 2 seems to have decent legs, but is also heavily frontloaded. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop into the 11-20 range next week, while still keeping PSP sales respectable, probably in the 40k-50k range, for at least the next 2 weeks. After that, I see PSP dropping to the 35k-40k range until FFVII:CC (I may be wrong on my PSP FF releases, but I think CC is still planned in advance of Anniversary I & II and Tactics - I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're all roughly interchangeable as far as PSP sales are concerned, with CC being a bigger draw by, I'd say, 10k in hardware sales). The PSP will stay ahead of the PS3 at least until the 3rd quarter of this year.
justchris said:
Doubling something that is small in an absolute sense doesn't mean much. If I make 40 bucks tomorrow instead of 20, its not that impressive. I know the point you are driving at, but considering the expected impact of Gundam Musou the PS3 hardware sales are still completely unimpressive.
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
maybe Nintendo is hoarding consoles