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Media Create Sales 3/12 - 3/18

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Evlar

Banned
Don't know what to say about Wii third-party games. On the one hand I think "Yes, there should be higher sales for a system that already has two million-sellers."

On the other hand I think "It would help matters if there were more than a handful of third-party titles released that weren't utter shit."
 
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Sgt. Killjoy

Member
yea, sometimes i think Japan hates the Wii overall, its just the Japanese are crazy about weird shit, so i think its saving it a little.

waitasec, was the Wii not available at all in Japan? and the PS3 was...?
 
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JJConrad

Sucks at viral marketing
Isn't that 3rd party list just Dalthien's Japan sales chart making completing a lap back around to GAF.
 
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Sgt. Killjoy

Member
Vinnk said:
Used MGS: portable ops costs less than used Minna No Golf.
I still can't find Fable for less than 4500 yen despite it selling horribly
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To the first: that makes no sense

and to fable: is it the japanese version? just imagine how many copies they printed. or didnt for that matter.

who has sonic numbers for me?
 
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apujanata

Member
Saitou said:
..............


.............



...you're not serious, are you?
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IF you are serious, I am serious, ELSE I am not serious.

Personally, I believe the less curse word we use in our post in a forum, especially when it might made someone who is not in a good mood upset, the better the world will be.
 
J

JJConrad

Sucks at viral marketing
Vinnk said:
For comparisons sake I would love to see the top 10 Japanese PS3 thrird party sales. Anyone have those?
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There's only like 11 total ... So making the top 10 is no big prize.
 
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Terrell

Member
ethelred said:
Even setting aside Gundam Musou, the top-selling third party PS3 games are still a good bit higher than the top selling third party Wii games.

... which, you know, isn't bad given the million-unit hardware deficiency.

I mean, you're not really calling these good, are you?
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I certainly am NOT. But it's not like these are awesome games, either... I just think, when putting THIS list up against VIRTUA FIGHTER 5... ho-hum games outsold VF5. That takes it ever-so-slightly out of the "sales gutter", but leaves them in the "quality gutter". I would have liked better Trauma Center sales in Japan, but... if I remember right, that game didn't catch on in Japan like it did here, so I kind of shrug my shoulders.

Anyways... you get my point.
 
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ethelred

Member
Top five third party comparisons:


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1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000
 
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mj1108

Member
ethelred said:
Top five third party comparisons:


Code: 
1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000
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It would be great if you'd label those for which titles they are and what the source of the numbers are.
 
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apujanata

Member
Vinnk said:
For comparisons sake I would love to see the top 10 Japanese PS3 thrird party sales. Anyone have those?
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It is very, very difficult to get up-to-date PS3 sales figures. Most of the PS3 game only managed to stay on the Famitsu Top 30 for 2-3 weeks (top)

Gundam Musou 171,032
Virtua Fighter 5 65,835
Ridge Racer 7 53,470
Gundam: Target in Sight 52,379
Enchanted Arms 14,417

I might miss some other third party games since I usually only track games that are 100K+.

Edit : The Famitsu is up to March 4, 2007. It might have gone higher in M-create, but not too much (should be 10% - 30% increase).
 
E

Evlar

Banned
Gundam Musou, Ridge Racer 7, Virtua Fighter 5, the other Gundam game, and Armored Core 4 maybe? Not necessarily in that order.

Compare that to the caliber of third-party titles released on the Wii. That looks like evidence of major franchises making a resounding "thud" on the PS3 that they're even remotely comparable to Elebits.
 
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jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
Yeah Wii 3rd party sales are horrible in Japan. It could be a situation like the DS/PSP when they first launched in the sense that PS3 is relying on 3rd party games for sales but if the gap between Wii and PS3 continue 3rd party sales will start to do better on Wii, however only time will tell.
 
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apujanata

Member
ethelred said:
Top five third party comparisons:


Code: 
1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000
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Are you sure about the PS3 figures ? I know that the first one is gundam musou, but the 2nd and 3rd, which should be VF5 and RR7, I am not sure it has climbed above 100K.

Edit :
124,463 Ridge Racer 7 (Namco) (11/11/06) – through Jan 28/07
121,733 Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight (Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire) (Bandai) (11/11/06) – through Jan 28/07
72,595 Armored Core 4 (From) (12/21/06) – through Jan 28/07
67,000 Virtua Fighter 5 (Sega) (2/8/07) – rounded off through Mar 4/07 (MC)

What is strange is this :
I see three games that were referenced as updated by Famitsu Top 30 on Jan 28, 2007. I have Famitsu Top 30 Jan 28, 2007 in front of me, and the only PS3 game in that page is Enchant Arm.
 
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AniHawk

Member
apujanata said:
Are you sure about the PS3 figures ? I know that the first one is gundam musou, but the 2nd and 3rd, which should be VF5 and RR7, I am not sure it has climbed above 100K.
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VF5 is 67k.

Ethelred, if you're serious about not labeling titles, it's sorta like seeing Cubivore selling 50k vs. Super Smash Bros. Melee going over 3m. One is a much larger brand and is expected to do more.
 
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pilonv1

Member
ethelred said:
Top five third party comparisons:


Code: 
1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000
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Someone add 360 into this list.
 
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miguel_c_hammer

Member
apujanata said:
Are you sure about the PS3 figures ? I know that the first one is gundam musou, but the 2nd and 3rd, which should be VF5 and RR7, I am not sure it has climbed above 100K.
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Well duh, that's why he didn't label the numbers
 
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Jiggy

Member
Not that I'd expect any of them to be on the list anyway, but just noting that those sales figures don't account for third-party Virtual Console titles.

It kind of is too bad we'll likely never get more information on those--not just how many have sold, but also what percentage of the revenue from them goes to third-parties who put their games on, how much it generally costs to put a VC title up, etc.
 
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Link316

Banned
ethelred said:
Top five third party comparisons:


Code: 
1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000
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and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
 
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Evlar

Banned
Link316 said:
and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
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How 'bout size of investment? How much did those five PS3 games cost to make all together? How much did those five Wii games? Are any in the black?

Which are closer to a profit?
 
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ethelred

Member
Link316 said:
and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
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D.Lo

D.Lo

Member
Link316 said:
and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
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Is this some kind of joke? Massive high budget franchise games that sell sub 200k, compared to cheap and nasty PS2 ports selling 100k?

People see what they want to no matter what it seems...
 
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apujanata

Member
Link316 said:
and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
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wow, it is Link316, The "Zombie" I slayed at GameFAQS, and now "Dead Rising" in NeoGAF. :)

Seriously, where did Dalthien get the update for Jan 28, 2007 ? I have asked him in the relevant thread, and I hope he answered it soon.
 
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My Chemical Mouse

Banned
Wow, a single note of anything that makes Sony look remotely good makes the happiness and laughter leave this topic in a hurry.

Hopefully Golden Week will slay Sony once and for all right guys? :lol
 
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mj1108

Member
Sgt. Killjoy said:
now do a first party SW comparison for Wii and PS3
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If those kinds of numbers favored the PS3, ethelred would have brought them up.

It's the whole idea of only bringing up numbers that support their own fanboyism or agenda and pretend anything else doesn't exist or "doesn't count".
 
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speculawyer

Member
pilonv1 said:
ethelred said:
Top five third party comparisons:

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1. Wii: 110,000             PS3: 202,000             360: ~0
2. Wii: 077,750             PS3: 124,000             360: ~0
3. Wii: 064,750             PS3: 122,000             360: ~0
4. Wii: 061,000             PS3: 073,000             360: ~0
5. Wii: 055,750             PS3: 067,000             360: ~0
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Someone add 360 into this list.
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:D
 
G

Galactic Fork

A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Link316 said:
and this is what ultimately decides 3rd party support, not the size of userbase
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Actually, Suda 51 flat out said when he was making Contact that he didn't care about the system's capabilities, he just wanted to make a game on the DS cause it had such a big userbase. Though... It is Suda 51 that said it, so take it how you want.


apujanata said:
Love & Berry 871,962
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As of 2 weeks ago MC numbers for love and berry were:


34　DS　Love & Berry　7000　903000　81
 
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apujanata

Member
The Sphinx said:
How 'bout size of investment? How much did those five PS3 games cost to make all together? How much did those five Wii games? Are any in the black?

Which are closer to a profit?
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Anyone who can provide answer to his questions can be considered demi-god.
 
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apujanata

Member
mj1108 said:
If those kinds of numbers favored the PS3, ethelred would have brought them up.

It's the whole idea of only bringing up numbers that support their own fanboyism or agenda and pretend anything else doesn't exist or "doesn't count".
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First party games sales are the mantra of Nintendo fanboys, while third party games sales are the mantra of Sony fanboys. If there was ever a time in which the mantra is not valid anymore, NeoGAF explode. Just like when PSP third party games sales became less than NDS third party games sales. It took DS more than one year (probably closer to two years ??) to make it happen.

All we have to do is wait and witness whether Wii can do this, and whether it can achieve it faster than NDS.

As of 2 weeks ago MC numbers for love and berry were:
34　DS　Love & Berry　7000　903000　81
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You are quoting MC, while I quoted Famitsu (since my data is all famitsu based, not MCreate based)
 
G

Galactic Fork

A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
apujanata said:
You are quoting MC, while I quoted Famitsu (since my data is all famitsu based, not MCreate based)
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I know, but this is a Media Create thread so MC takes precedence. I'm just nitpicking. Plus it's higher so it's more impressive. :)
 
C

chibcicylist

Banned
ethelred said:
I really fail to see how that information is relevant.




Dalthien's thread (plus last week's Gundam Musou #).
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It's a difference between well known and established franchises bombing compared to mostly shitty and quick cash ins. Its similar to ignoring Nintendo first party titles that sells very well then proclaiming that the Wii software situation is dire for a system with the largest install base.

props to you, ethy
 
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JJConrad

Sucks at viral marketing
Bottom ten third party comparisons:


Code: 
10. Wii:   6,000             PS3: 124,400
9.  Wii:   5,600             PS3: 121,700
8.  Wii:   4,400             PS3:  72,600
7.  Wii:   4,100             PS3:  67,000
6.  Wii:   3,000             PS3:  14,400
5.  Wii:   2,400             PS3:  13,000
4.  Wii:   1,900             PS3:  10,000
3.  Wii:   1,200             PS3:   6,600
2.  Wii:   1,000             PS3:   2,000
1.  Wii:     800             PS3:   1,400
WOW!
 
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jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
JJConrad said:
Bottom ten third party comparisons:


Code: 
10. Wii:   6,000             PS3: 124,400
9.  Wii:   5,600             PS3: 121,700
8.  Wii:   4,400             PS3:  72,600
7.  Wii:   4,100             PS3:  67,000
6.  Wii:   3,000             PS3:  14,400
5.  Wii:   2,400             PS3:  13,000
4.  Wii:   1,900             PS3:  10,000
3.  Wii:   1,200             PS3:   6,600
2.  Wii:   1,000             PS3:   2,000
1.  Wii:     800             PS3:   1,400
WOW!
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JJConrad
Sucks at viral marketing
 
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ethelred

Member
mj1108 said:
If those kinds of numbers favored the PS3, ethelred would have brought them up.

It's the whole idea of only bringing up numbers that support their own fanboyism or agenda and pretend anything else doesn't exist or "doesn't count".
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apujanata said:
First party games sales are the mantra of Nintendo fanboys, while third party games sales are the mantra of Sony fanboys.
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Awesome, I'm a PS3 fanboy now.
 
E

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
ethelred said:
That's the gutter you're looking at.
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you are comparing Gundam (one of the biggest anime brand in japan ) Musou (a really famous series in japan) against

1 DragonBall Z Sparking! NEO (110000)
2 Ennichi no Tatsujin (77750)
3 Naruto GNT EX (64750)
4 Bleach Wii (61000)
5 Super Swing Golf (55750)
6 Elebits (55250)
7 SD Gundam SCAD HAMMERS (40250)
8 Tamagotchi (38750)
9 Crayon Shin-chan (38000)
10 Red Steel (28500)
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a bunch of crappy anime games and red steel! lol

wake me up when DQS gets released and it bombs then you have an argument.

sure TC Wii is a great game but considering the DS version also bombed AND the Wii version is a remake of that... the japanese market is just not interested in TC

Wii doesnt have any bonafide big 3rd Party game unless... Red Steel, Crayon Shin Chan, Elebits are big third party games.
 
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Vinnk

Member
3 pages ago I thought this thread was gonna die. Thanks for keeping it going guys!

And what's the 800 selling Wii game? That would be bad sales by 3DO standards.
 
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