Media Create Sales: Dec 6-13, 2009

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Because the motto in these MC threads since the Wii launch is to make up every possible bullshit excuse that crosses your mind to tell everyone that every single 3rd party bomb on the system has actually done well when you consider them.

That's when it becomes unreasonable and laughable.
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Which, coincidentally, I don't think RurouniZel was doing.

To suggest that ToG sold well certainly appears to be a baseless claim; to argue that we might have expected it to sell less than it did, on the other hand, may be more grounded.
 
gerg said:
Which, coincidentally, I don't think RurouniZel was doing.
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RurouniZel said:
Considering that Tales of Graces has to not only go up against the insanely popular NSMBWii, but is launching right in FFXIII's shadow (and anyone who thinks that a Tales of game could be more anticipated than a FF game in Japan is clearly insane), I think Tales of Graces did very well.
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His first post, even.
 
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Because the motto in these MC threads since the Wii launch is to make up every possible bullshit excuse that crosses your mind to tell everyone that every single 3rd party bomb on the system has actually done well when you consider them.
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To be fair, the other camp will take a game that did good numbers (MH3) and suppose that because of the possibility that it didn't perform up to expectations it's immediately a bomba. There are no shades of gray.
 
obonicus said:
To be fair, the other camp will take a game that did good numbers (MH3) and suppose that because of the possibility that it didn't perform up to expectations it's immediately a bomba. There are no shades of gray.
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I'd argue DS and PSP are seen as definite black or white. The new home consoles however, unbearable spinning from every side to make the console of choice look better and the others worse.
 
darkhunger said:
You would be correct if Crystal Bearers didn't get released just a month ago with a decent marketing campaign behind it and bombed harder than anything else since ET
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Didn't it just have billboard/subway ads or something? Did it have a TV ad? Was it shown often enough?

I'm talking about huge ass promotions and events dedicated to the game. Publishers don't even seem to do even a fraction of that. :(
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Just asking, dosn't shipments shows what a company expects of the sales of their games?
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Depends on your agenda - because shipments are based to some extent on demand. A game meeting a shipment can mean that its expectations were lowered to a realistic 'bomba' level before shipping, or it can mean that it is a massive success and it met the publishers highest expectations. A game not meeting its shipment can mean that its an underperforming 'bomba' title, or it can mean that its a massive success but retail demand drove shipments much higher than the publishers initial expectations.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Just asking, dosn't shipments shows what a company expects of the sales of their games?
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Actually I think it doesn't. They can't force a shipment on retailers. Basically the retailers decide how much is shipped by ordering a certain amount from wholesalers. Some people say that publishers can put a break on the shipment number if they think retailers over order to prevent price collapses. But I don't think shipment number is a good metric for gauging publisher expectations.
 
Didn't we get NSMB first day on Thurs. night rather than the usual Fri. morning? I bet the numbers will "leak" as soon as they become available.
 
ksamedi said:
Actually I think it doesn't. They can't force a shipment on retailers. Basically the retailers decide how much is shipped by ordering a certain amount from wholesalers.
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It is not that simple of a procedure. I think Stumpokapow had posted a very detailed analysis of how shipments work.
 
Chris1964 said:
It is not that simple of a procedure. I think Stumpokapow had posted a very detailed analysis of how shipments work.
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I know what Stump said. Its still not a good measure for publisher expectations. A lot of factors are involved. For instance, how do we know that Capcom didn't pull the break and limited shipment numbers? Or, how do we know the extent of Capcoms marketing to sell the title to retailers? What did they want it to sell and what did retailers order? Those are all unknowns. We really don't know what was expected from Tri from the initial shipment number.
 
obonicus said:
To be fair, the other camp will take a game that did good numbers (MH3) and suppose that because of the possibility that it didn't perform up to expectations it's immediately a bomba. There are no shades of gray.
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And to be fairly fair, the other camp began the same reasoning with Final Fantasy XIII and previous entries :lol
 
Chris1964 said:
It is not that simple of a procedure. I think Stumpokapow had posted a very detailed analysis of how shipments work.
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Yeah I can't seem to find the post right now but I've written a few on the subject that might be worth digging up.
 
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
His first post, even.
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It was a poor choice of words. What I meant by that was it could have been far worse given the context. And if you read the rest of my posts, that is exactly what I've been saying.

If you read the entire sentence, you can easily see that was my intention.
 
With our luck these last 2 weeks, I'd expect sinobi to get run over by a car and lose consciousness until he awakes in the hospital with locked-in syndrome for the next few days.

Too true, yet too sad, lets try cheering up:
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108 there, other 199.892 couldn't fit in the pic.
 
dolemite said:
@mountain of bundles

What time of the day was the pic taken?
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Probably right when the store opened or before. Notice that there's exactly one PS3 missing from the pile and notice that the guy in the right has the same bag as the PS3 ones so I'm assuming he's buying a FFXIII PS3.
 
Apparently the guy who was first at Tsutaya had been waiting there since 12pm the previous day :lol
 
I pretty much exhausted everything Tales of related I had in last weeks thread, so I'll just say I hope PSP2 can hold on enough to net a respectable proportion of the first games sales. They seemed to really put a lot into the sequel and I'd hoped it would improve its performance, but alas that doesn't look like it will happen now.
 
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20091217_336401.html
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Compared to the DQIX launch at the same store, the number of foreigners this time were impressive (actually they didn't find any before :lol), and there were quite a few more women this time.

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20091217_336403.html
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They had 711 tickets for the bundle, and they were "flying off the shelves" with about half the people picking them up.
 
Just wanted to point out that my previous question about "clear positive" third-party sales on consoles wasn't intended to denote whether a game was a success or not. MH3 was a success. RGG3 was a success. RE5 probably was a success in Japan, too. However as evidenced by this discussion, it's seems pretty clear that MH3 is not an unassailable positive for discussion of third-party sales on Wii. It's good sales, and there're good signs for third-party sales on Wii there. However the inability to sell out the first shipment is still a shadow on those good sales.

Just wanted to differentiate what I was talking about versus what is being discussed now with MH3.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Maybe because TotT was a joke as a mainline entry and probably hurt any possibilities of the series success on DS. And there's have been plnety of RPG on DS that reached huge success.




MH3 would had reached nice sales in whatever platform it was released.
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Can't you say the same thing for DotNW? I mean, I enjoyed the game but I know many others didn't and the argument in this thread and the last one was that "Graces sold less than a poorly received spinoff."

Regardless, Graces sold more than Innocence and Hearts (Hearts came out after Innocence and sold better, and Innocence was supposedly a good game so that may have brought more interest in Tales on the DS. Similarly I don't see why a new Tales game after Graces wouldn't do better in the same circumstance, and so as long as it releases the hell away from FF or DQ.)

donny2112 said:
Just wanted to point out that my previous question about "clear positive" third-party sales on consoles wasn't intended to denote whether a game was a success or not. MH3 was a success. RGG3 was a success. RE5 probably was a success in Japan, too. However as evidenced by this discussion, it's seems pretty clear that MH3 is not an unassailable positive for discussion of third-party sales on Wii. It's good sales, and there're good signs for third-party sales on Wii there. However the inability to sell out the first shipment is still a shadow on those good sales.

Just wanted to differentiate what I was talking about versus what is being discussed now with MH3.
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If FF XIII struggles with its shipment too will you say the same thing? It's a success for Capcom, you know, the guys actually making the game? Retailers are just basically retailers. They don't decide on support or anything.
 
Zoe said:
Compared to the DQIX launch at the same store, the number of foreigners this time were impressive (actually they didn't find any before :lol), and there were quite a few more women this time.



They had 711 tickets for the bundle, and they were "flying off the shelves" with about half the people picking them up.
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Wow so one store had 700 bundles? o_o
 
ReyBrujo said:
I hope they can all finish the game in a week!

Ringu reference (I hope I don't need to explain)!
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The hilarious thing is that the joke actually works on another level--a few retailers offered 100% cash back on pre-ordered copies that are traded within a week :p
 
Bel Marduk said:
If FF XIII struggles with its shipment too will you say the same thing?
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Yes. If FFXIII sells 1.7m with a first shipment of 1.8m, I'd say it's not a clear positive for discussion of third-party sales on PS3 even though it could still be considered a success as a game. There will always be a contingent that brings up the fact it couldn't sell out of its first shipment, which will be a shadow on its sales results.

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Of course, even if it sold 1.9m with a small second shipment, it's still a big downturn for the series and probably wouldn't be a clear positive, since we're not dealing with handheld -> console ambiguity with FFXIII like we are with MH3. Selling out of a first shipment isn't some kind of litmus test, after all.

The idea is to find a third-party console game that doesn't really have anything big (obviously a subjective term) about it to use against it from a sales perspective. Vesperia PS3 is about the only game that's been mentioned that seems to fit that criteria in the past year from third-parties on consoles. Again, I'm not talking about about whether a game was simply a "success."

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I think I may see the problem with what I've been saying. I'm using the wrong word. I'm saying "clear positive," and what I'm meaning/describing is "pure positive." i.e. no (big) negative aspects. MH3 is an overall positive for third-party Wii sales, but it isn't a pure positive due to the shadow of an uncleared first shipment. Hopefully the term "pure positive" is more useful to understand what I'm talking about. Sorry for the confusion. :(
 
donny2112 said:
Yes. If FFXIII sells 1.7m with a first shipment of 1.8m, I'd say it's not a clear positive for discussion of third-party sales on PS3 even though it could still be considered a success as a game. There will always be a contingent that brings up the fact it couldn't sell out of its first shipment, which will be a shadow on its sales results.

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Of course, even if it sold 1.9m with a small second shipment, it's still a big downturn for the series and probably wouldn't be a clear positive, since we're not dealing with handheld -> console ambiguity with FFXIII like we are with MH3. Selling out of a first shipment isn't some kind of litmus test, after all.

The idea is to find a third-party console game that doesn't really have anything big (obviously a subjective term) about it to use against it from a sales perspective. Vesperia PS3 is about the only game that's been mentioned that seems to fit that criteria in the past year from third-parties on consoles. Again, I'm not talking about about whether a game was simply a "success."
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Fair enough. I still see success as "made publisher good money" (in which case MH3 did and FF XIII will) but I'll respect your opinion.
 
Bel Marduk said:
Can't you say the same thing for DotNW? I mean, I enjoyed the game but I know many others didn't and the argument in this thread and the last one was that "Graces sold less than a poorly received spinoff."
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DotNW had better reception than Tempest, which I remember hearing some very bad things from GAF. Obviously people ask more quality in the main entries than on spinoff like this one.Tempest was a main entry, a very bad one, people expected a game that could live to other entries, so fans didn't see DS as a viable option for the series whatever the effort Namco could do in the later games. DotNW might not be a very good game, but it probably delivered what people expected of that spinoff.
 
I'm just going to pop in and say that I do think the Wii will get another Tales (maybe not until Graces's team finishes their next game in about two years, however), and that the next mainline game (on home consoles, at least) will be on the PS3/360. Not out of reaction to ToG's sales, but because they already seem to have the Tales teams set on specific platforms in the first place. The next one was most likely going to be on those platforms whether ToG did well or not.

I expected a little above 150K for it though.

Interested in how FFXIII does.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
DotNW had better reception than Tempest, which I remember hearing some very bad things from GAF. Obviously people ask more quality in the main entries than on spinoff like this one.Tempest was a main entry, a very bad one, people expected a game that could live to other entries, so fans didn't see DS as a viable option for the series whatever the effort Namco could do in the later games. DotNW might not be a very good game, but it probably delivered what people expected of that spinoff.
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Tempest is actually considered an "escort" from Namco. That's how bad it was :lol

However, while DotNW is a spinoff I know people expected more from a ToS sequel. I loved everything about the game, but still, there was disappointment for sure. But with Graces out maybe there'll be better stigma next time since I agree with Rpgmonkey that the Wii will get another Tales but after 2 years from Team Destiny again and after Team Symphonia's next HD game is out. I'd just hope they keep it away from DQ or FF.
 
01. / 01. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 431.000 / 1.366.000 (-54%)
02. / 00. [WII] Tales of Graces (Namco Bandai) - 143.000 / NEW



In the West launch dates were moved because of MW2 and I think that RS2 was moved because of Mario. Why is the same thing not done in Japan?


Tales did sell better than the Wii Pokemon game so that is saying something.
 
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