But you tried to put graphics out of the equation. And failed in doing so. I successfully defended my statement.
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Media Create Sales: Week 13, 2013 (Mar 25 - Mar 31)
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But I never put graphics out of the equation. I was just saying that the graphical qualities of FFXIII were not the reason that FFXIII was the best-selling game on PS3. It was the best-selling game on PS3 because it was a mainline FF game. The graphics certainly helped bring in sales. But if we both agree that a less graphically focused FFXIII would have likely still been the best-selling game on PS3, then the brand carried more of the weight for FFXIII than the graphics of the game did.
By the way, you got it partly right - I obviously failed at something in this discussion. This all seems like Logic 101 - so I must be missing something.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
A less graphically focused FFXIII might still have looked better as or on par with everything else on PS3. If FFXIII would have looked like shit I doubt it would be the best selling PS3 game.
You're again trying to argue that FF's brand strength is separate from graphics. It is not.
Protocol7
Member
True, but it's not there anymore (I can't find it), I know it doesn't mean a lot, but got me wondering...
I'll just repeat what I said earlier in the thread:
"In the end, I think we're just focusing on different timeframes. You're saying that FFXIII was the PS3 best-seller because of the past focus on graphics. I took you to mean that FFXIII was the PS3 best-seller because of XIII's focus on graphics. Two different things."
If your argument is that the stunning graphics of prior FF games helped build the brand - absolutely. We agree, which I agreed with you about previously.
As I explained, I took your comment to be referring instead to the graphics of FFXIII in particular - in which case the graphics could have been lessened (and no, I don't mean look like shit - ha ha - just anything that wouldn't look out-of-place on the platform) and the game could have still topped everything else on the system - in which case it wasn't the graphics of FFXIII in particular that were responsible for the chart-topping position.
Maybe I mistook your comments, and you were indeed referring to the graphics from previous games being the cause for FF's strong brand coming into FFXIII. I suspect that's why this is proving to be such a baffling conversation.
Edit - In any case - probably best to continue this in PM if you want to keep going with it. This is really starting to shit up the thread.
Actually I'd argue both. Past graphical achievement made it big and keeping up that level of pushing hardware Square has relied on since late SNES age is what maintained those sales. I don't see the need to pretend something suddenly changed this gen, this is a consistent and continuous phenomenon.
Moved to PM. Check your PM if you wish to continue.
Gianni Merryman
Member
And we still don't know what's coming up for the holidays.
Pokemon should be the biggest title scheduled for Q3/Q4 along with MH4, shouldn't it?
Aside from that, other releases may be SMTIV and Donkey Kong country, am I missing something else?
I reckon it's pretty robust a line-up by now, although it's not definitive.
SMTIV should be Q2. But Mario & Luigi should be Q3 as well.
I think we're still missing a million seller or two (or close to it) that's going to be for this holiday. Plus we don't know what third-parties might have in store.
test_account
XP-39C²
That is true. I think it will depend much on the game as well. Good graphics can add to the atmoshpere, making it more enjoyable. Depends on what the developers are going for when making a game.
Is there anything big that could come out this holiday season that we dont know about? Thinking about it, i guess Zelda is the only thing.And we still don't know what's coming up for the holidays.
EDIT: I'm mostly thinking about 1st party games.
electroplankton
Banned
There is still people trying to say that MH3G was a bomb or, at least, that it underperformed. Crazy. Also because after one year and almost an a half, the title is still charting, a clear sign that the game succeeded in bringing the fanbase on 3DS. That was its aim; being an updated porting, doing about 2 million units is basically all profits for Capcom.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I imagine those who still says MH ultimate underperformed are either extremely bad at sales analyze, or is still feeling bitter that it went to the 3DS. It surpassed capcom's sales forecast by a wide margin and NOE even tweet an apology for running out of MH ultimate stocks in Europe recently. I fail to see what is the basis for saying it underperformed.
Gianni Merryman
Member
In fact 3DS version alone should have already outsold Tri by now - that has allegedly sold roughly 2M worldwide -, especially considering it has just launched in EU/NA its LTD is bound to grow bigger. and it may eventually reach 3 M mark worldwide, even without taking into accout Wii U version's sales.
test_account
XP-39C²
They have Deep Down. Depends if that game is being defined as a major console game or not though.
Media Create:
02./00. [PSP] Fate/Extra CCC # <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥6.279) - 72.883 / NEW <81,30%>
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21./00. [PSP] Megpoid the Music # <ACT> (ParaPhray) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
22./07. [PS3] Disgaea D2 # <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2013.03.20} (¥7.140)
23./21. [3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} (¥6.090)
24./08. [3DS] Pretty Rhythm: My Deco Rainbow Wedding <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2013.03.20} (¥6.279)
25./19. [PS3] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f <ACT> (Sega) {2013.03.07} (¥7.329)
26./22. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Legacy of Civilization A <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500)
27./28. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
28./18. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 8 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.02.28} (¥7.560)
29./00. [PSP] Starry Sky: After Summer Portable # <ADV> (Honeybee) {2013.03.28} (¥3.129)
30./27. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800)
31./11. [PSV] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥7.980)
32./29. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040)
33./25. [3DS] Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan <ADV> (FuRyu) {2013.03.07} (¥5.229)
34./24. [PS3] Far Cry 3 <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.03.07} (¥7.770)
35./00. [PSP] Princess Arthur # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
36./00. [PSP] Gaku Ou: The Royal Seven Stars + Meteor # <ADV> (Alchemist) {2013.03.28} (¥7.140)
37./10. [PSV] Atelier Meruru Plus: The Alchemist of Arland 3 # <RPG> (Gust) {2013.03.20} (¥6.090)
38./32. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040)
39./35. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985)
40./34. [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star <ADV> (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} (¥4.800)
41./00. [PS3] Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2013.03.28} (¥7.665)
42./31. [PSV] Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus: Otome Shoujotachi no Shoumei # <ACT> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.02.28} (¥6.980)
43./00. [PSP] Shinigami Kagyou: Kaidan Romance # <ADV> (QuinRose) {2013.03.28} (¥6.300)
44./39. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800)
45./00. [360] Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.27} (¥3.980)
46./38. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040)
47./33. [PSV] Phantasy Star Online 2: Special Package <RPG> (Sega) {2013.02.28} (¥5.229)
48./40. [3DS] Touch Detective: Nameko Shigeru <PZL> (Success) {2013.02.28} (¥3.990)
49./44. [NDS] Pokèmon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800)
50./00. [PSP] Rebellions: Secret Game 2nd Stage # <ADV> (Yeti) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
Top 50
3DS - 16
PSP - 11
PSV - 8
PS3 - 8
WIU - 3
WII 2
NDS 1
360 - 1
SOFTWARE
02./00. [PSP] Fate/Extra CCC # <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥6.279) - 72.883 / NEW <81,30%>
--
21./00. [PSP] Megpoid the Music # <ACT> (ParaPhray) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
22./07. [PS3] Disgaea D2 # <SLG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2013.03.20} (¥7.140)
23./21. [3DS] Dragon Quest VII: Fighters of Eden <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.02.07} (¥6.090)
24./08. [3DS] Pretty Rhythm: My Deco Rainbow Wedding <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2013.03.20} (¥6.279)
25./19. [PS3] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva f <ACT> (Sega) {2013.03.07} (¥7.329)
26./22. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Legacy of Civilization A <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500)
27./28. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
28./18. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 8 # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.02.28} (¥7.560)
29./00. [PSP] Starry Sky: After Summer Portable # <ADV> (Honeybee) {2013.03.28} (¥3.129)
30./27. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800)
31./11. [PSV] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥7.980)
32./29. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040)
33./25. [3DS] Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan <ADV> (FuRyu) {2013.03.07} (¥5.229)
34./24. [PS3] Far Cry 3 <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.03.07} (¥7.770)
35./00. [PSP] Princess Arthur # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
36./00. [PSP] Gaku Ou: The Royal Seven Stars + Meteor # <ADV> (Alchemist) {2013.03.28} (¥7.140)
37./10. [PSV] Atelier Meruru Plus: The Alchemist of Arland 3 # <RPG> (Gust) {2013.03.20} (¥6.090)
38./32. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040)
39./35. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985)
40./34. [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star <ADV> (Nintendo) {2012.12.06} (¥4.800)
41./00. [PS3] Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2013.03.28} (¥7.665)
42./31. [PSV] Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus: Otome Shoujotachi no Shoumei # <ACT> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.02.28} (¥6.980)
43./00. [PSP] Shinigami Kagyou: Kaidan Romance # <ADV> (QuinRose) {2013.03.28} (¥6.300)
44./39. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800)
45./00. [360] Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.27} (¥3.980)
46./38. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040)
47./33. [PSV] Phantasy Star Online 2: Special Package <RPG> (Sega) {2013.02.28} (¥5.229)
48./40. [3DS] Touch Detective: Nameko Shigeru <PZL> (Success) {2013.02.28} (¥3.990)
49./44. [NDS] Pokèmon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokèmon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800)
50./00. [PSP] Rebellions: Secret Game 2nd Stage # <ADV> (Yeti) {2013.03.28} (¥6.090)
Top 50
3DS - 16
PSP - 11
PSV - 8
PS3 - 8
WIU - 3
WII 2
NDS 1
360 - 1
SOFTWARE
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD |
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| ALL | 1.023.000 | 1.547.000 | 1.057.000 | 13.041.000 | 12.664.000 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------They released RE6 and DmC not six months ago. And they are releasing Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen, RE:R, Lost Planet 3 and have Sengoku Basara 4 and a next gen game announced.
I don't think it's surprising. Their major console games are going nextgen and it takes time to make them. Meanwhile PS3 and 3DS will get smaller games and Monster Hunter.
Bruno MB
Member
I was thinking about current gen so I forgot about Deep Down. But yes, that's definitely a big console game.
They recently announced Sengoku Basara 4 and they will publish Remember Me so well, at least they have some projects but nothing too important.
So I'd better lose the faith in seeing a new Dino Crisis or Onimusha title for the current gen of consoles
Exterminieren
Banned
A portable Kirby may well be on the slate as well. That series did big numbers on DS.
It does big numbers in general. 700k+ is very likely (if it doesn't stray too far from the original formula).
Ninja Gaiden = Razor's Edge PS360, right?
Lol. I totally blocked NG from my memory...
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Charlie was always bullish on MH4 because it was "the real deal". He'd probably be on team 3.5m+.Too bad we can't get DCharlie's prediction on MH4. His 3G stuff made for entertaining threads.
StreetsAhead
Member
So, has the fact that DQX is the top download of all time on the Wii U eshop been brought up in this thread? (Game & Wario is 6 btw, behind Nano Assault)
michaelius
Banned
That's a lot of people who will have to rethink ever doing another digital purchase
How can you tell it's the top download of all time?
Bruno MB
Member
Ninja Gaiden 3 sold 47.476 LTD (PS3), I wonder how this enhanced version will do.
The Wii U version debuted so pathetically bad that even got outsold by Ninja Gaiden Σ 2 Plus.
Is that inclusive of the 30 yen Virtual Console titles?
Probably there are All-Time Charts for downloads in Japan too. You know schuelma, there this thread ( http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=522414 ) I encountered accidentally on Gaf where eShop charts are collected all over the world...
StreetsAhead
Member
Because you can check that ranking, along with the top ranking recently and so on.
Not sure, only looked as far as G&W, and none of the VC ones were there.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Sounds new to me, and would put things into a more positive perspective, although we should have some official numbers.
By any chance do we have any data about DD sales of Mario Wii U and MHU as a reference?
airmangataosenai
Member
Poor GUMI. They want you to be Miku but it just isn't happening. I hope they eventually put her into the Project DIVA games, she has a lot of good songs.
Not to dis the wii u but knowing its predicament and what is currently out for it doesnt make the fact that DQ is the highest downloaded title exactly mindblowing.
StreetsAhead
Member
No, I don't believe we do at this point.
No, but the fact that it is the most downloaded title says it might have done a bit better than the retail sales suggest, but it's hard to say without exact numbers, or even a reference point for the other titles.
metalslimer
Member
You've been around way too long to peddle this kind of BS unknowingly
Gianni Merryman
Member
Seeing how Mario Wii U and MH3U have sold respectively 500k and 200k copies and have been out for a while, whereas DQX Wii U has released for just a couple of weeks, so that would be unexpected and telling on how the game has been faring better than suggested by this week's charts, albeit it's pretty much only guesswork unless we have some numbers.
test_account
XP-39C²
I forgot about Sengoku Basara 4
That is probably one of the last Capcom console game for this generation's consoles, i would guess.Kirby is a good candidate, i forgot about that. It is probbly more likely to see a Kirby release instead of a Zelda release this holiday.
airmangataosenai
Member
http://andriasang.com/comysx/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469061
What's wrong with what he said? That he rounded down from 1.35?
Capcom has been notorious for setting very modest expectations for Monster Hunter releases. I think MHP3rd exceeded their estimates by something like 25% or more.
Unless you have actual numbers I don't think it's that relevant. I know people try to mention Vita's 30% digital sales and yeah lack of numbers makes it hard in a thread like this.
electroplankton
Banned
Nintendo has a packed release schedule for 3DS in 2013, without counting that it might well slow down given how many third parties games ther are. Here:
April: Tomodachi Collection
May: Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D ?
June: Band Brothers ?
July: Mario Golf ?
August: Mario and Luigi ?
September:
October: Pokémon X / Y
November: Kirby ?
December:
He's wrong because Capcom shipped 1.6M at the end of the fiscal year
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473140
It took 9 months until all these copies were sold but that doesn't matter to Capcom.
Those are sales numbers not shipment numbers...
Sammy Samusu
Member
OMG :lol