Yeah, that's a perfect comparison. Just weird to compare it to Other M, because Other M actually had a strong debut IIRC.
Yeah, that's a perfect comparison. Just weird to compare it to Other M, because Other M actually had a strong debut IIRC.
And Zelda sell far more than Metroid, Trifore Heroes will outsell every metroid ever except the first Metroid and Metroid Prime
Supermanisdead
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sorry i lost the bald ariana grande one
Moor-Angol
Banned
Don't worry, they're Concentrating on the West(tm).
I honestly wonder how much sales in the West will have to decrease to make up for the declines in Japan for PS Ecosystem games. It can't be easy.
I was wondering why all those "Toukiden is doomed on sony platforms" posts and anyone was suggesting the obvious thing...
then magically it happened :
as usual nintendo will save the industry from collapsing
Jarod McChicken
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Hey we didn't know that, thanks. If at the end of the year you happen to dig out the Star Ocean numbers, we don't have a single data for this one in the West.
Thanks Bruno MB for the game. EOV lost me, but I love how I'm the closest for Yukimura even with 2x the real number
Mr. Pointy
Member
Toukiden can't move platforms because it's pretty much coproduced by Sony.
But one could make an argument that unless Sony systems start selling better, God Eater 3 may need an NX port.
But one could make an argument that unless Sony systems start selling better, God Eater 3 may need an NX port.
My guess is that when Monster Hunter was successful on PSP, it got all the Monster Hunter-like games, then when it switched to 3DS, Vita still got the Monster Hunter-like games despite the audience moving elsewhere?
I've seen that claimed before but is there any indication it's true?
The sequel didn't get any special treatment from Sony
and they haven't produced a Vita game in years 
Edit: Also news at 11: Forum posters wondering if releasing game on market leading hardware would have helped sales.
JuanLatino
Member
based on the preorders, what are some realistic first week numbers for Final Fantasy XV?
Mr. Pointy
Member
All I know is the first game was basically commissioned by Sony when they lost MH and it had an SCEJ producer attached to it. I don't know about Toukiden 2, but I just presume Sony have some say over the property.I've seen that claimed before but is there any indication it's true?
The sequel didn't get any special treatment from Sonyand they haven't produced a Vita game in years
Hmm after a quick Google I've seen it said that Kawano(SCEJ) pushed for a Vita version when it was planned as a PSP and some (unsourced) references to it being a collaboration with SCEJ. Maybe it, do you have the producers name?
It received a Steam version which seems like it would have been a bigger deal if it was an actual collaboration. Did SCEJ work on Street Fighter V?
Mr. Pointy
Member
I just remember reading about Kawano being attached as a producer.
Hopefully someone is kind enough to check the credits and confirm for us.
Something to the side of the current discussion. I wanted to go back to something Nirolak had noted about 3DS software a few months back when we were entertaining the ideas of the NX being winter and MH:Stories being on it. And that has to do with how many games on the system, despite their art-styles such as BDefault and others, are usually able to be rendered at higher resolutions and still look quite nice, thanks to the art style.
The example back then was BDefault images rendered at higher resolutions, and the now-coming MHStories looks perfectly fine rendered at higher resolutions as well. Nintendo own games probably would also not be all that bothered by rendering at two different resolutions for cross-gen games though I'd expect Nintendo to push more towards NX to build the audience.
I bring this up because of the rumor on 3DS support in 2018 which, while for the west can be done purely on localizations for two years, is not so valid in Japan. But then I wondered, would Nintendo take a page out of the "ecosystem book" and leverage the 3DS's rather large population along with the NX in a bid to get a lot of 3DS/NX support. If the latter is built well/correctly, porting of 3DS titles could/would be rather simple and it allows Nintendo to not be forced to "start over" with the NX while also feeding themselves and the market as a whole with continued 3DS support.
For instance, the rumored Pokemon game... while weird to be a pure NX-only follow-up, sure wouldn't be nearly as weird as an 3DS/NX title in late 2017.
I could see them even push this aggressively if they want to take control of the market.
The example back then was BDefault images rendered at higher resolutions, and the now-coming MHStories looks perfectly fine rendered at higher resolutions as well. Nintendo own games probably would also not be all that bothered by rendering at two different resolutions for cross-gen games though I'd expect Nintendo to push more towards NX to build the audience.
I bring this up because of the rumor on 3DS support in 2018 which, while for the west can be done purely on localizations for two years, is not so valid in Japan. But then I wondered, would Nintendo take a page out of the "ecosystem book" and leverage the 3DS's rather large population along with the NX in a bid to get a lot of 3DS/NX support. If the latter is built well/correctly, porting of 3DS titles could/would be rather simple and it allows Nintendo to not be forced to "start over" with the NX while also feeding themselves and the market as a whole with continued 3DS support.
For instance, the rumored Pokemon game... while weird to be a pure NX-only follow-up, sure wouldn't be nearly as weird as an 3DS/NX title in late 2017.
I could see them even push this aggressively if they want to take control of the market.
Gunstar Ikari
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KOF XIV selling in the ballpark of KOF XIII is interesting. XIII's development essentially broke SNK, while XIV looks to have been made on the cheap aside from pure character quantity.
Have to wonder what SNK's sales projections for XIV were.
Have to wonder what SNK's sales projections for XIV were.
IIRC, for the very few Vita/3DS multiplat titles that exist, the vita version has always outsold the 3ds version. There's also the case of Senran Kagura doing much better on Playstation than on 3DS so there's quite possibly different target audiences.I've seen that claimed before but is there any indication it's true?
The sequel didn't get any special treatment from Sonyand they haven't produced a Vita game in years
Edit: Also news at 11: Forum posters wondering if releasing game on market leading hardware would have helped sales.
But Hunting game genre audience is sure to resonate with MH fanbase which most is located in 3DS so, it is not strange to suggest that hunting game had chances of doing well in 3DS vs those other more fanservicey title.
Considering how there are more hunting-esque titles on PS platforms than on the 3DS, maybe that's not the case as devs are not contractually obligated to develop for the PS platforms save for FW and SS. What other MH-like titles are even on the 3DS besides MH itself?
I don't think this is true. The games are published and produced by Tecmo Koei both in Japan and internationally. Sony has their own Monster Hunter clones which they actually publish and own - Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars.
Famitsu estimated about 35k for June, the game has been doing alright on the PSN rankings.
I doubt Future Tone killed Diva X HD sales, I rather think Diva X HD sold poorly because everyone who wanted to play it bought it when it came out on Vita in March.
PS4 is in no shortage of Miku games anyway, another one comes out with PSVR on October.
Final Fantasy Explorers? Can we count Triforce Heroes too since its so multiplayer co-op focused?
FFE seems like one but Triforce Heroes is far too much of a stretch.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I know Toukiden came about because MH moved to 3DS, though I'm trying to remember if I read elsewhere that it's because Sony asked for it, or Koei did it on their own volition.
m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=778925&page=1
Hero of Legend
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I'll honestly never believe that claim, because no way would Toukiden be on 3DS had MH gone to Vita.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I feel like all the hunting game knockoffs would have gone onto Vita regardless of MH.
MH on 3DS? Let's put it on Vita to satisfy people who want that hunting itch scratched.
MH on Vita? Let's put it on Vita to take advantage of the MH audience.
MH on 3DS? Let's put it on Vita to satisfy people who want that hunting itch scratched.
MH on Vita? Let's put it on Vita to take advantage of the MH audience.
Hisashi Koinuma is the president of Tecmo Koei Games...
Hero of Legend
Member
Yep, basically.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I thought he was just a producer. Okay then.
Metroid Prime: Federation Force. It's a shooter and has more puzzle elements, but it's still a cooperative title where you're expected to repeat missions and get loot. Paired with the notable Metroid IP and I think that will do... oh.
MH is the mainstream of hunting genre which is why when the other hunting game move to Vita, the most they can get is the hardcore hunting genre fans. If they develop it for 3DS, i can see the sales increasing a bit just like how other Jrpg/simulation genre number can increase as there is Pokemon fans and Animal Crossing fans on 3DS pushing for the mainstream to get the handheld.
There is FF Explorers which even with mediocre review actually did quite well.(Tx for that FF brand lol.)
Agree. I think all the other company is just blindsided by Capcom. Many is betting on Vita to do as well as PSP i believe and then reality drop and Vita is nothing compared to PSP so, they are stuck into that ecosystem.
Like I said, the very few multiplat 3ds/vita titles has the vita version selling more. Atelier Rorona also did far worse on 3ds than on vita. You could blame the graphics for that but eh. IIRC,there are also cases where indie games do better on wiiu than on ps4. The sheer number of users isn't always the defining factor and that's the reason I believe why devs don't simply jump on the 3ds ship.
Square2015
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This is kind of random and not related to the media create thread but could you help us translate some of these retail outlets from the famitsu charts? I posted images of them in the Retro Sales Age thread. I really appreciate what you can do. Thanks.
Because those multiplat game resonance more with Vita owner vs 3DS owner. And not to mention, it is much nicher title vs God Eater.
We had VLR,ZTD, Conception 2, Samurai Warrior Chronicle 3 and Batman Blackgate.
2 Visual Novel with more adult like story, a game which had the first title released on PSP and not on Nintendo platform, a Musou game and Batman lol. It is not strange to see why Vita version is more popular right?
Atelier Rorona doing badly is not even a surprise lol. I mean, they are releasing the game for how many times already? They had the first Rorona, then the plus one with all the change from Meruru and u hope the players to buy 3DS version? I mean, Koei will be insane if they hope it to do well..
Sammy Samusu
Member
It's not like all the MH clones would have sold more on 3DS anyway.
Those are small projects with small budget.
I do think that Sega should have released a Phantasy Star for the 3DS, but I doubt they would give it the budget it needs. It'd probably look like FFE, lol.
Waiting for NX.
Those are small projects with small budget.
I do think that Sega should have released a Phantasy Star for the 3DS, but I doubt they would give it the budget it needs. It'd probably look like FFE, lol.
Waiting for NX.
It's not like all the MH clones would have sold more on 3DS anyway.
Those are small projects with small budget.
I do think that Sega should have released a Phantasy Star for the 3DS, but I doubt they would give it the budget it needs. It'd probably look like FFE, lol.
Waiting for NX.
Of course not lol. Releasing on 3DS too is just going to add the sales number and help mitigate the decline on PSV.^^ And it sure as hell going to sell moar than on PS4.
You will get Phantasy Star Zero-2 and u will likey it.....(I like it the first one lol. And i still wish Sega would give us the second one.T_T)
As it stands,we have precedence of vita titles selling better than their 3ds counterparts. The other way? Not so much.
I'm not denying the possibility of a title doing better on 3ds than on vita. It's possible but so far,at least in Japan, there's no evidence pointing towards that and I think simply saying a game will do better on 3ds than on vita when several devs themselves who have far more information of their target audience than your average consumer choose to not to develop on the 3ds is a little...you know.
I am not saying that making the game multiplat will surely make the game sold better on 3DS here. But it sure as hell will be more vs the number on PS4.
Japan simply cared about handhelds and till now, the investment on PS4 for the western market is not really paying off. So why with the high risk moves? It is not like releasing the game on 3DS can't make it a success. We had seen some 3DS release also doing really well on the West.
Honestly, I don't know. Maybe the Ps4 is easier to develop for than the 3ds since they don't have to gimp their game due to lack of power and having to license a game on one ecosystem is cheaper than on two?
Making a local multiplayer-centric game on dedicated handhelds multiplatform is counter intuitive move. That's why you see them on 3DS/WiiU and Vita/PS4 instead of 3DS/Vita. You want a clear demographic for local multiplayer especially for the student audience because word of mouth and peer pressure is what pushes the sales of the games, and that doesn't work as well when you introduce platform incompatibility as a barrier of entry.
Ehh. I don't know here. I am just talking on Japan market and i feel choosing console vs other successful handheld is simply a strange move unless u are targeting western market.
And i sure believe that developing for PS4 is going to be more expensive vs developing for 3DS lol. It should not even be a question there.
Ahh yeah. i forget about that lol. I can see that being the big reason for why it does not come to 3DS as Wii U is currently doing abysmal outside of JP. Hope NX can at least help with this problem in the future then.
That's not true at all. There's no automatic high cost just because you're developing on a higher end system. It depends on what you are developing. It is absolutely plausibly that with a base game on Vita, developing it for 3DS as well could take more time and manpower than developing it for PS4 as well. Obviously this also depends on the nature of the game, and the amount of extra work they want to put into a PS4 or 3DS version.
Let's put it this way - what do you think cost more to develop? MGS3 HD Remaster on PS3/Vita/360, or MGS3D? I don't know the definite answer to that, but MGS3D costing mroe despite being a product people were less satisfied with would not surprise me at all.
Easier to develop for = less time spent on it = less money spent. Being stronger has nothing to do with it being more expensive and last I heard several years ago,the 3ds isn't exactly the easiest platform to develop.
Have we considered the possibility that publishers just make bad decisions? Not saying ignoring the 3DS for hunting games is necessarily one of those, but it's not like the last few years have given much evidence that JP publishers consistently choose the best strategy for selling their games on dedicated devices.
Umm. Why are u using a HD remastered title? That is totally a different beast.
If the game is develop using the base of Vita, then it will be a port from Vita. So i don't think that really count as PS4 release right? If the game is develop on PS4 i am sure it is going to be more expensive vs on 3DS or i am confused here?
Isn't the discussion here about why certain hunting games like Toukiden 2 are Vita/PS4 instead of Vita/3DS? Or am I confused?
I've already replied to you. Developing a game for a stronger console that is easy to develop for will be cheaper than developing a game for a weaker console that is harder to develop for.
Yeah. But like Toukiden 2, isn't the base they develop the game is on PS4? So, won't that make the game more expensive vs Vita/3DS format?
Lots of Koei-Tecmo games i believe had the consoles as their main platform too.(Seen with how bad the Vita port is.T_T)
Depend on the base platform they are developing right? If it is develop on Vita as the main platform i agree as it is going to be cheaper and faster to develop for both Vita and PS4. But if PS4 is the main platform, i don't think it will be cheaper vs developing on 3DS.
Edit: Aha i see ur new reply. I see where u come from now lol. I agree with that. Guess, it all depends on case per case then.