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Media Create Software Sales 2/5 - 2/11
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Kurosaki Ichigo
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I think it could be similar to Yakuza.jj984jj said:
Yakuza 2 beated Yakuza original release but couldn't beat Yakuza + Yakuza The Best!, also the re-release got a bump when the sequel was released (which would make MHP the first PSP million seller!).
I hope they make MHP3 with infrastucture and connection to MH3 PS3...it could be quite a good system seller.
Kobun Heat said:
Have Western publishers ever really put out many high profile handheld games? I think they saw some promise in the PSP simply because they knew that developers had plenty of PS2 experience that could translate over (not to mention game engines and assets). Is the DS really getting any different support than the GBA did?
Like you said - they are just taking the safe route still with what they publish. I'm not sure why they aren't taking a couple chances with some high quality original titles. With the install base as big as it is - and growing - it seems like it would be worth the risk.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
GhaleonEB said:
Please read my post properly. I said no chance of 500k. Then I also said no chance of "establishing themselves in the Japanese market".
Mr Killemgood
Member
MrSardonic said:
Just a quick reminder to those questioning my bold prediction:
The 360 YOY is up 236% (22k to 52k) versus 2006. Now, if the 360 sold 196k units last year (with the vast majority being moved since the core launch), then 236% would equal out to 462,000 units. I am just believing that the launch of Lost Odyssey and a few other games this year will improve the YOY difference to around 260%. Is that so difficult to believe? 6 months ago, seeing the 360 doing what it has this year would of been impossible, but it has. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, I am givinig the prediction based on the maximum possible (well, it could even get 600k, but I dont want to go that high).
Again, quote me on it. By 2008, the 360 will have sold 500k, or within that number by 10k units. LO will come out and give it a BD-esque boost in the summer, which will allow it to do very well. Numbers in Dec will be very similar to last years, but the rest of the year, we'll see around a 300% increase in sales (this MC shows 360 with 4811 versus last years ~2000, a 250% increase in sales)
BuzzJive said:
I don't think its the western pub's fault per se. The western game scene is healthier and more diversified. There's the console business and the niche players tend to gravitate towards the PC and make great games there. So there aren't many publishers with a hand in the handheld pie, and those who do tend to be B level pubs looking to make low cost high margin products on the cheap.
The Majescos and THQs of this world can score a few hits here and there, but with most publishers doing other stuff elsewhere, its hard to get the good western software on it. And I'm sure there can be great stuff on the DS if the confluence of developer ambition and publisher backing were to occur.
kisakiproject
Member
enishi said:
OH snap Lumines am flop.
Decent first day for everybody else.
MrSardonic
The nerdiest nerd of all the nerds in nerdland
Mr Killemgood said:
I've got all the data here in Excel. You're being unbelieveably optimistic if you think the X360 is going to continue selling at twice the rate it did in 2006...but I guess that is the hobby of fanboys.
GhaleonEB said:
You obviously didnt or you wouldn't falsely be claiming that I claimed the 500k prediction and success in Japan were one and the same. I clearly said, 500k wasn't going to happen and then went on to discuss the separate issue of MS establishing themselves in Japan (which stands irrespective of 500k or not).
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Well, yes, that is pretty hard to believe. X360 was so huge (relatively) in December due to Blue Dragon. Lost Odyssey will have its work cut out equaling that bump, let alone causing an even greater one.Mr Killemgood said:
OK, let's look at this another way. 6 weeks of the year gone, and it's up to 52K. Let's say this year there are two Blue Dragon-sized bumps where 114K systems sell in a 6 week period. Let's say every other week is 5K. That still only sums up to 450K for the year.Mr Killemgood said:
Unrelated, but you're referring to your percentage increases incorrectly. 52K is 236% of 22K, but it's up 136%.
Oh ffs...
Seriously GAF, please help me. I have a bet going on with some guy about sales numbers in Japan.
My argument is: Wii is sold-out basically everywhere in Japan, and its sales are what they are because demand > supply.
His argument is: Wii isn't sold-out in Japan, and there is approximately 200-400k Wiis in Japan collecting dust on shop shelves.
So who is right and who is wrong? Prove it. Please?
Seriously GAF, please help me. I have a bet going on with some guy about sales numbers in Japan.
My argument is: Wii is sold-out basically everywhere in Japan, and its sales are what they are because demand > supply.
His argument is: Wii isn't sold-out in Japan, and there is approximately 200-400k Wiis in Japan collecting dust on shop shelves.
So who is right and who is wrong? Prove it. Please?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Taurus said:
You made a bet on something you can't prove? You've already lost, even if you are right. (and you are).
You know how hard it is to prove someone who doesn't have a clue.PantherLotus said:
My proof was that Nintendo is currently producing about 1 million consoles/month; NA gets about 450k, Japan gets about 300k and Europe gets the rest. Japan's 300k equals approximately 75k in a week which means it's sold out.
God damnit. If there only was a webpage which says if it is/isn't sold-out and I could just paste a link to that. :/
Don't even ask.Deku said:
ioi
But how to convince him that vgchart's numbers are inaccurate!? "You are just saying this because those numbers prove you are wrong." Eat $hit and die ffs!
splattergnome
Member
I am actually disappointed at the DS' strong sales. Without a major sag in sales, what will cause Nintendo to bring out new colors on the market?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Mr Killemgood said:
Oh man.
First of all, don't you already have an account named jimbo? That's bannable, d00d.
Next off, your assertions are meaningless. The 360 could hit some magical number that opens the gates of hell and it still wouldn't matter. It's like debating about the Wonderswan's potential or the Virtual Boy's potential. Sure, they might hit 500k IN TWO MORE YEARS (by the end of 2008 is what you said, right?), but there couldn't be a less significant milestone by anyone's standards.
Now, nobody likes to rub that shit in, and generally its pretty easy to ignore the guys hoping for some magical resurgence in this insignificant (to Japan) product. We ALL want more competition to improve for every company because that makes every product improve to stay ahead. But c'mon. It's dead. Every time some guy like yourself makes some irrelevant prediction, like "if it can keep up 3k sales per month, blah blah blah," you only make yourself look absurd and make people like me write up snippy responses like this.
miguel_c_hammer
Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
My question is where the hell is Monster Hunter DS. If it can do those numbers on PSP, it could be a record setter on DS(assuming they didn't half-ass it).
Well for all the people saying the 360 would do worse than the original Xbox, it's fair to state the viewpoint that it will do better, and pass 500K relatively soon.
Of course it won't matter in terms of "winning the console war" in Japan, but a large userbase is certainly more incentive for developers to try out the 360 with Japan's userbase in mind.
Of course it won't matter in terms of "winning the console war" in Japan, but a large userbase is certainly more incentive for developers to try out the 360 with Japan's userbase in mind.
Taurus said:
Amazon.co.jp says it's sold out, does that count? They have other sellers selling it at over RRP, which would kind of point to a shortage...
oldie-newbie
Member
Jammy said:
Wii is always sold out and around 80 000 is the maximum Wii per week according to the production capacity. Except if Nintendo has some Wii in stocks for big release games, we cannot see any increase in Wii sales...
Version 3.0
Member
CoolTrick said:
That's impossible to know. We can assume a large percentage of original DS owners bought DS Lites, but we don't know what they did with their old DS. It was pointed out that a used original DS goes for a lot, though, and those sales aren't tracked my MC. So who knows?
Maybe we should do a poll: everyone who replaced their DS with a Lite--what did you do with the original?
I gave mine to a friend.
Taurus said:You know how hard it is to prove someone who doesn't have a clue.
My proof was that Nintendo is currently producing about 1 million consoles/month; NA gets about 450k, Japan gets about 300k and Europe gets the rest. Japan's 300k equals approximately 75k in a week which means it's sold out.
God damnit. If there only was a webpage which says if it is/isn't sold-out and I could just paste a link to that. :/
Don't even ask.ioi
But how to convince him that vgchart's numbers are inaccurate!? "You are just saying this because those numbers prove you are wrong." Eat $hit and die ffs!
www.amazon.co.jp -> ゲーム -> ゲーム Top 100 -> Wii
Mr Killemgood
Member
PantherLotus said:Oh man.
First of all, don't you already have an account named jimbo? That's bannable, d00d.
Next off, your assertions are meaningless. The 360 could hit some magical number that opens the gates of hell and it still wouldn't matter. It's like debating about the Wonderswan's potential or the Virtual Boy's potential. Sure, they might hit 500k IN TWO MORE YEARS (by the end of 2008 is what you said, right?), but there couldn't be a less significant milestone by anyone's standards.
Now, nobody likes to rub that shit in, and generally its pretty easy to ignore the guys hoping for some magical resurgence in this insignificant (to Japan) product. We ALL want more competition to improve for every company because that makes every product improve to stay ahead. But c'mon. It's dead. Every time some guy like yourself makes some irrelevant prediction, like "if it can keep up 3k sales per month, blah blah blah," you only make yourself look absurd and make people like me write up snippy responses like this.
This is my one and only account.
To re-state what I said - 360 will get 500k this year in h/w sales - atleast thats my outlandish prediction. Is that a "huge milestone" for gaming in Japan? Of course not. However, I'd think it'd show that western consoles can do well in an eastern country provided they actually have content that matters to their audience. The reason I'm predicting this or care - What other system in history has sold in one year what the previous console sold its entire lifecycle? Thus far, none (but the Wii could nearly do that against the GC this year).
How do you define the 360 to be dead in a country? The 360 was dead last year, and sold horridly due to crappy content. Now that it has slightly less crappy content, sales are up. We see the DS doing so incredibly well - it's outsold itself very well thus far this year - I see the importance of the 360 doing the same thing on about 1/20th the scale to be interesting - although its not relevant in the PS3/Wii wars. *However* if what I said was true, and it did keep up a 135%-ish increase, and did the same next year, it could potentially move a decent (still nothing compared to PS3/Wii) bit of units. Again, not very relevant in the big picture, but still noteworthy nonetheless.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
If a rise is units sold week to week is only 5-7k units is 200% from the year before, it only serves to prove how futile the product was in the first place, rather than any "miracle" resurgence or as you modestly put it, "noteworthy."
Yeah--I see what you're saying, but it's totally irrelevant. And I was joking about the jimbo thing. He was suggesting that the 360 would hit a million in sales*, which is idiotic beyond belief.
*before its successor is announced.
Yeah--I see what you're saying, but it's totally irrelevant. And I was joking about the jimbo thing. He was suggesting that the 360 would hit a million in sales*, which is idiotic beyond belief.
*before its successor is announced.
Forgotten Ancient
Banned
Mr Killemgood said:
The Wii doesn't have a bad chance of pulling that off, so long as supply is ramped up by the end of the year.
The 360 is dead there, man. When the systems lifetime to date is rivaling what the Wii does in month (or what the DSLite can do in little more than a week), the system is dead. It's not 3 systems a week dead...but, really, there's not much hope for Microsoft this generation.
The best they can hope for is that the 360 crosses the million console mark by the end of the generation. If they're able to do that, perhaps they can enter the next - next generation with at least some semblance of a fan base.
You keep fantasizing about the 360 more than doubling this year, then doubling over again next year. I just don't see how that will be possible once Sony hits its stride and Nintendo deepens its hold on the Japanese market.
cank stoochie
Banned
why is nintendo releasing naruto and fire emblem at the same time. i figured they would kinda space it out
Forgotten Ancient
Banned
Defuser said:
So all the games I've been enjoying on my DS are merely half-assed?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Yes, cuz the thought of half-assing something has stopped Capcom so very many times in the past.
Ancient: Now imagine those games with a whole ass. Pretty mind-blowing, isn't it?
Ancient: Now imagine those games with a whole ass. Pretty mind-blowing, isn't it?
Forgotten Ancient
Banned
Segata Sanshiro said:
Well, more times than, say...Sega
Forgotten Ancient
Banned
Defuser said:
But you're saying that a game that's on PSP couldn't possibly be done on the DS without being half assed? At least, that's what I got from your post.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Forgotten Ancient said:Well, more times than, say...Sega
Sega always uses their whole ass. They use it to fail, but hey...no one is better!
Eteric Rice
Member
Leondexter said:
I still have mine, as it kept me sane during Katrina. I use it to play with friends.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Use it as an alarm, or for the occasional multiplayer.Leondexter said:
Do they publish Naruto?cank stoochie said:
Square2005
Banned
Let's try this again:
Wii vs. DS m-create weekly + cumulatives for both:
Weekly scale on the Left. Cumulative scale on the Right.
L-T-D:
Wii - 1,523,121
DS - 1,801,275 (after 11 weeks)
EDIT: Wii is well ahead of the Super Famicom:
SFC shipments by March after launch (end of Mar. 1991) were 1.44m (source=famitsu weekly I believe).
Just now going into Feb. and Wii has passed that mark!
Wii vs. DS m-create weekly + cumulatives for both:
Weekly scale on the Left. Cumulative scale on the Right.
L-T-D:
Wii - 1,523,121
DS - 1,801,275 (after 11 weeks)
EDIT: Wii is well ahead of the Super Famicom:
SFC shipments by March after launch (end of Mar. 1991) were 1.44m (source=famitsu weekly I believe).
Just now going into Feb. and Wii has passed that mark!
Joe Molotov
Member
It's too busy, it's all too busy. By the time you read it, you're already dead.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Effort appreciated, Square2005, but I think there are three strikes against that.
1) Two different scales for two different sets of lines... well, there's little point in having them put together.
2) Fancy background to grab attention away from the lines themselves.
3) Thanks to having a high number of colors, but not wanting the lossiness of JPEG, the file size is larger than Super Mario World.
1) Two different scales for two different sets of lines... well, there's little point in having them put together.
2) Fancy background to grab attention away from the lines themselves.
3) Thanks to having a high number of colors, but not wanting the lossiness of JPEG, the file size is larger than Super Mario World.
Mr. Pointy
Member
How much has FF3 sold?
Moor-Angol
Banned
Forgotten Ancient said:
Uhm... no, cause they are not PS2 portings
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Please just put the numbers in a graph. No Iwata. No "Ninty". No bright, gaudy colours. If you can't force yourself not to use the bright, annoying stuff, just uninstall Office 2007 and downgrade to 2000 or something.
