The arm looks pretty solid to me.
Seriously????
Wtf, during the BB epilogue I'm sure BB said he was nanomachines and brainwashed from the get go. They also showed scenes from during the tanker while he was explaining it IRC
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Metal Gear Community Thread: Made you wait, didn't I?
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Seriously????
Wtf, during the BB epilogue I'm sure BB said he was nanomachines and brainwashed from the get go. They also showed scenes from during the tanker while he was explaining it IRC
The arm was really Liquid's arm in MGS2, but not in 4. If it was really Liquid's persona in 2 is up for debate, but I believe it's official canon that the arm caused Ocelot real psychological effects. He got a different arm, and then hypnotized himself into being Liquid to continue to fool the Pats that he was Liquid.
I think.
EDIT: Beaten by like 8 people.
Cipher Cat
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Xpike
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Yeah, the real Liquid was just too unpredictable, more or less sabotaging the S3 simulation. Plus he only got out when Solid Snake was near him. Changing him for just a fake persona allowed Ocelot to have more direct control over his actions while at the same time managing to fool everyone.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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Yeah, which makes The Sorrow theory for his channeling of Liquid hold water. To be fair, it's not like I got all that info by myself. It's been years and years of video watching and wiki scrolling.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
What's the Sorrow Theory? I've never heard that.
I'm with you on this one. It was never really Liquid.
Yeah that's what I thought after MGS3. But I'm 90% sure BB said in MGS4 he was using nanomachines and drugs from the start
The way I understood it the dude really thought it. That's why you see him slowly turning back to Ocelot during the end fight.
you weren't supposed to remember this...
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That's what I took from it.
MGS is full of tragic stories. Snake, BB, Ocelot, Raiden, Miller, Gray Fox.
So was Ocelot in the end loyal to Big Boss and his mission?
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
He removed the arm and replaced it with a cybernetic one. It was a real arm in the MGS2. You can see it fleshy looking in 2 and very clearly cybernetic in 4. I'll respond better when I get a chance but I'm at work, then going to the gym, then heading to San Antonio for PAX South!
Yes, he was! Though his main goal was just destroying The Patriots. Which, like I mentioned, he did by exploiting The Patriots AI algorithm. They knew Solid beat Liquid after Shadow Moses, that's why the S3 mimicked Shadow Moses in MGS2. Ocelot needed to see if they'd send Snake again, as Snake was the only one who could defeat The Patriots... but he had to do it unwittingly?
I'm explaining this poorly. I need more time.
I'm going to say yes. He got Snake to free the world from the Patriots control, and brought BB back to life. All though what Big Boss says in his dying moments, probably isn't what Ocelot thought he was fighting for.
That has always been my interpretation. He and EVA did everything out of loyalty to Big Boss.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
Hahaha, of all the doubles to post. Yeah, when I finally put all the little intricacies together, like last year, it really put Ocelot in the position of one of the coolest characters in ANY story to me. I'm so in love with this series.
Noctis, are you implying I'm not borderline insane already?
Ocelot for me is the second coolest... Big Boss is numero uno.
But Ocelot is so cool, nobody ever knows what he's really up to, who side he's on xD
And he always seems to know what's really going on.
Also he gave the post credit conversation.
Mr. Director
TURUM TUM TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
But Ocelot is so cool, nobody ever knows what he's really up to, who side he's on xD
And he always seems to know what's really going on.
Also he gave the post credit conversation.
Mr. Director
TURUM TUM TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
I was at work, so i didn't watch what Kojima was doing at the Koji Station. I just meant it wasn't unfamiliar or unprecedented to him to work directly on the game, responding to strafer on whether Kojima is working on the game himself. Hope that clears this up.
Btw, i gotta watch that MGS4 video as well
Edit: That's the article in question btw. It's about the last days of MGS2's development and it's worth a read.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
Might have been commitment to her role? Or maybe it was delirium setting in from the situation and exhaustion? Those are my best guesses.
Well, that and he triple crosses everyone, with the exception of Big Boss. After that is revealed at 4, it makes you appreciate the character a lot. He's gone through so many things to accomplish a goal, joined sides, changed his body, his personality, started wars, etc. just to protect his mentor.
If you think back to MGS1, he wanted Big Boss's body, but not for Liquid, for Solidus. Which, actually, he was just playing Solidus and working for the Pats all along, but wait...no he wasn't he was working for the Patriots as a double agent who was working with EVA to protect BB and bring the Patriots down from the inside. It's why he adopts the Liquid persona to begin with, so the Pats don't see him as a threat from the inside, but as a completely new enemy altogether. Which he's not. They are dumb computers, AFTER ALL.
Anytime I say the phrase "after all" I do the Liquid Ocelot intonation like in MGS4
It's been 6 years and that never occured to me xD.
What bothers me the most is that the happy support cast of MGS3 turns into the Empire of Evilness with Zero at it's helm.
I mean paramadic is a super sweet girl, would waifu, and she turns into THE EVIL DR CLARK.
Sigint is a joker who turns into DARPA CHIEF.
And Zero didn't even like... say anything remotely evil during the entire ordeal.
And how did he find about The Boss' true mission? Nobody knew except Snake, Eva and the DCI. Did they just blab to everyone?
I'm dying here.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
I just mean the fact that The Sorrow is Ocelot's father with The Boss. He had natural spiritual awareness, which would make Liquid's "ghost" in a position to take control. So, as The Sorrow could talk to ghosts and could communicate as a ghost himself, Ocelot was born with more innate abilities for it.
My thoughts exactly. And the ending to that post-credits conversation cracks me up so much every time. BAAAAAA-DA-DA-DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMM
Also, DuckButtCockHat, any chance I could be added to the GAF-REX?
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Xpike
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there's a whole radio call with para-medic in 3 where she goes on about cloning big boss and how his genes will become valuable. it's a pretty neat foreshadow.
but either way, none of those were evil in MGS3, same as how Naked Snake wasn't the child-murdering, war-mongering psycho he eventually became in MG1. Using MGS3 as an example is pretty weird. And from what we saw on MGS
W, and GZ, the Patriots certainly went slowly off the deep end while gaining absolute power.Haha :lol
Ah, gotcha. I had never considered that, but it makes sense.
Woah, almost tripped and fell in a plot hole there.
Love Deterrence
Member
:lol :lol :lol
Cipher Cat
Banned
That's Dolan Duck Butt Cock Hat for you.
Of course, you'll be added in the next update. In like 5 hours or so. There are already a bunch of other people who want to join on that release date hype thread.
there's a whole radio call with para-medic in 3 where she goes on about cloning big boss and how his genes will become valuable. it's a pretty neat foreshadow.
but either way, none of those were evil in MGS3, same as how Naked Snake wasn't the child-murdering, war-mongering psycho he eventually became in MG1. Using MGS3 as an example is pretty weird. And from what we saw on MGS
Im not sure I want to play MG1 now. BB pls.
From the MGS4 video "The game has a serious tone this time around, so we brought Sunny in to brighten the mood".
Thatsgood.gif
Chakra_Khan
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So given the latest tweets and yong's ports potty vid, it seems that the gz suit is a skin and nothing more what with the lack of horn and robot arm. Yet he goes on about being painstakingly detailed when it comes to adjustments during the final production time.
I don't know bout y'all, but I'm already sick of bb's idle stance. The hunched over back and bent knees.....if your ocd enough to have your dev team animate snake going in and out of a porta potty when the bulk of everything is done then why not make his stancing contextual. Its jarring to me when the dude is in a constant state of caution mode in an open world where there are areas where clearly no enemies are around. Or better yet when you're at mother base.
For that matter, why is it that no one in the metal gear universe is able to lock their knees?
I don't know bout y'all, but I'm already sick of bb's idle stance. The hunched over back and bent knees.....if your ocd enough to have your dev team animate snake going in and out of a porta potty when the bulk of everything is done then why not make his stancing contextual. Its jarring to me when the dude is in a constant state of caution mode in an open world where there are areas where clearly no enemies are around. Or better yet when you're at mother base.
For that matter, why is it that no one in the metal gear universe is able to lock their knees?
Lock your knees and you'll faint.
Also, a bit disappointed if the GZ suit turns out to be just a skin.
Locking is overrated anyway XD
BanditoMac
Member
After watching that MGS4 Docu, it's pretty easy to see why they don't want to say a release date yet. I'm sure there's an internal date of course, that they want to hit, but I wonder how many revisions it may go through being the size it is at.
Also sort of sad to see how he wants to step away from Metal Gear, but then is clearly still making them.
Also sort of sad to see how he wants to step away from Metal Gear, but then is clearly still making them.
Cipher Cat
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Metal Gear Community, here is an avatar present for you. I was browsing a little bit and photoshopping a little bit. Half of those are Big Boss in all his glory. Take what you like. All pixel art. Because everyone loves pixel art. Right? Right!?
Also, if anyone on the Hype Rex changes her/his avatar with either on of these or whatever one. I still can easily replace the avatar on the Hype Rex. No worries.
Also, if anyone on the Hype Rex changes her/his avatar with either on of these or whatever one. I still can easily replace the avatar on the Hype Rex. No worries.
So I had been giving updates for someone coming into this series completely blind, starting with Metal Gear on MSX and going all the way through. I was at MGS3 (specifically, right around meeting Granin), but other things came to my attention, other games came out, etc, so I put MGS on hold.
Well I went back, started it over, and ran through recently and it was the shit. Great game. I liked the new health system quite a bit, as well as the more expansive environments. Something that really impressed me were the boss fights. The End was a really fun fight, and though it was really easy in my opinion, it was a great subversion of the typical boss. The Boss herself was one that was interesting because I played it a handful of times and got my ass handed to me, thinking that the fight itself was cheap. Then I came back to it the next night, took things a little more methodically, and beat her the first try. It's like her little teachings were working. :O
The story is still fucking bonkers at this point and the anachronism is pretty hilarious especially in this one (Kojima just really had to get a RotJ speeder bike chase homage in a 60's period piece, didn't he?). It's basically endearing at this point, just take the ridiculousness for what it's worth. The core story of 3 was....eh, mainly because characters like Volgin and EVA just weren't that interesting to me, but the relationship between Snake and The Boss was well written. I didn't really post any thoughts about the story of MGS2, but the way it smashed the fourth wall to smithereens was executed pretty well. The absurdity really worked in that one's favor well.
The best part about this series to me is how each game basically excels in a different field. MGS1 might just be the best pure "game" thus far, and certainly has the best standalone story. MGS2 is a very well put together satire on video games and sequels in general. Playing MGS2 right after playing stome VR Missions because the Raiden character did the same thing. And then MGS3 finally makes the best use of the stealth abilities that Snake has, and has some interesting, if simple, messages about the soldier's role in war. If nothing else, I totally want to do a replay of these games sometime once I'm caught up, mainly because of the crazy attention to detail on things. I really have no idea what my "favorite" would be since each one is so different and enjoyable for different reasons.
Btw, The Legacy Collection has been one of the best gaming deals ever. Gad damn.
Well I went back, started it over, and ran through recently and it was the shit. Great game. I liked the new health system quite a bit, as well as the more expansive environments. Something that really impressed me were the boss fights. The End was a really fun fight, and though it was really easy in my opinion, it was a great subversion of the typical boss. The Boss herself was one that was interesting because I played it a handful of times and got my ass handed to me, thinking that the fight itself was cheap. Then I came back to it the next night, took things a little more methodically, and beat her the first try. It's like her little teachings were working. :O
The story is still fucking bonkers at this point and the anachronism is pretty hilarious especially in this one (Kojima just really had to get a RotJ speeder bike chase homage in a 60's period piece, didn't he?). It's basically endearing at this point, just take the ridiculousness for what it's worth. The core story of 3 was....eh, mainly because characters like Volgin and EVA just weren't that interesting to me, but the relationship between Snake and The Boss was well written. I didn't really post any thoughts about the story of MGS2, but the way it smashed the fourth wall to smithereens was executed pretty well. The absurdity really worked in that one's favor well.
The best part about this series to me is how each game basically excels in a different field. MGS1 might just be the best pure "game" thus far, and certainly has the best standalone story. MGS2 is a very well put together satire on video games and sequels in general. Playing MGS2 right after playing stome VR Missions because the Raiden character did the same thing. And then MGS3 finally makes the best use of the stealth abilities that Snake has, and has some interesting, if simple, messages about the soldier's role in war. If nothing else, I totally want to do a replay of these games sometime once I'm caught up, mainly because of the crazy attention to detail on things. I really have no idea what my "favorite" would be since each one is so different and enjoyable for different reasons.
Btw, The Legacy Collection has been one of the best gaming deals ever. Gad damn.
Love Deterrence
Member
Metal Gear Community, here is an avatar present for you. I was browsing a little bit and photoshopping a little bit. Half of those are Big Boss in all his glory. Take what you like. All pixel art. Because everyone loves pixel art. Right? Right!?
Also, if anyone on the Hype Rex changes her/his avatar with either on of these or whatever one. I still can easily replace the avatar on the Hype Rex. No worries.
DUDE! These are beautiful!! I may take the Mistral avatar!
Cipher Cat
Banned
hammertomb
Banned
Im taking the liquid avatar. If that's okay.
BanditoMac
Member
Metal Gear Community, here is an avatar present for you. I was browsing a little bit and photoshopping a little bit. Half of those are Big Boss in all his glory. Take what you like. All pixel art. Because everyone loves pixel art. Right? Right!?
Also, if anyone on the Hype Rex changes her/his avatar with either on of these or whatever one. I still can easily replace the avatar on the Hype Rex. No worries.
OMG these are the tits.
Cipher Cat
Banned
Liquid? Do you see something, I don't see?
hammertomb
Banned
Sorry i meant ocelot.
Metal Gear Community, here is an avatar present for you. I was browsing a little bit and photoshopping a little bit. Half of those are Big Boss in all his glory. Take what you like. All pixel art. Because everyone loves pixel art. Right? Right!?
Also, if anyone on the Hype Rex changes her/his avatar with either on of these or whatever one. I still can easily replace the avatar on the Hype Rex. No worries.
BROOOTHEEUUUUURRRRRRRRR
Can I request a special blonde Big Boss? ( that's way cooler than Snake 911's Big Boss)
Cipher Cat
Banned
Sure, one of these in blonde?
Thanks for the update. Always great to hear from people playing their first time through. My favorite part of the series is also how each game is different. You rarely see games within a series feel completely different from each other.
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