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Metal Gear Community Thread: Made you wait, didn't I?
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I'd be rich if that were possible.
I like to play the games for myself, not watch other people do so.
SJRB
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The only thing worse than playing Portable Ops is WATCHING Portable Ops.
I love the marathons, I always watch and I've been a subscriber since the start, but when PO comes up I tune out.
Woah could this mean cross-play? :O
Also i love the 2nd answer from MGO. People can be so stupid....
That'sjust not possible, you can't have some players running a game with lower graphics and less fps against better graphics with higher fps, how could the server possibly sync every player?
Because FoxEngine
If that was the case people playing on PC couldn't play against each other since each player has different graphics settings and fps
SJRB
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I think the real question is why they should waste valuable time and resources on such a gimmick, especially considering Ground Zeroes' sales numbers.
Then what'd he mean?
No because PC architecture is different, you offer the same mechanics with different graphical options, while on consoles you lock the framrate for example. Imagine a corner where a PS3 and a PS4 players meet, the PS4 will have the obvious advantage of seeing him 30 frames faster and controlling aim with double the accuracy, it would never be fair
I don't know man, maybe he didn't know that it sold actually pretty well and was just guessing?
Uknighted NOT streaming is always mental to me haha.
So?
Takes CS for example, I play that game on 299 fps ( max ), while my buddy Dave plays it on 30-40. We're still playing together holmes!
Maybe he was talking about the US sales numbers
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/17/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-sells-278000-u-s/
Last gen sales weren't as good as in Japan (though I think the PS3 version sold more than the X1 version)
Take CS for example and tell me what happened when they said PS3 players would play against PC players
tryagainlater
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Do they really make much of a living off it? Their viewership doesn't seem that high and split between the three of them?
yeah they'd get rekt since console - aim assist vs mouse is certain death.
Using FPS as an argument doesn't mean anything.
SFV will have PC - PS4 crossplay. I have no doubt that a pc can run that on a way higher FPS than a console.
Marty-esque
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Go the other way up the stairs after you get Paz. You Can sneak behind the guard going up the stairs and then hold him up. Wait for the guard at the door to turn around and walk out, sneak through the door and hold him up. Now stay to the right if the main gate and just wait until your out of vision if the guards and spotlight and make your way to extraction point where the missions started.
What? No, they couldn't patch both the PS3 and PC 'cause they had different problems, and Street Fighter will lock the framerate, it's a fighting game!
Skullface
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My guess is that it had to do with yet to be exposed previous operations. Skull Face implies that he was once a comrade of Big Boss, no?
In what world do you live where you think you can lock FPS on a pc game?
That will literally last 2days before it's unlocked.
And secondly your argument is based on a difference is FPS, please refrain from introducing new factors every time you reply.
I will repeat the problem in crossplatform play is not the difference in FPS between platforms. There's a whole bunch of other problems that cause that to be an issue.
Yeah, kinda feels that way. I'd say he is almost... obsessed with Big Boss?
Wouldn't Big Boss recognize his voice though? From the voice tapes? If he DID work together with him in the past?
Skullface
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Like Ocelot? :smug face:
I don't know... You are right, but the question becomes this: Is Big Boss actually listening to the tapes, or is it strictly for the player's benefit? Is there a story component to Big Boss hearing the tapes? All but one are optional.
My theory based on nothing at all is that Skull Face is a former FOX operative like Naked Snake once was but was either overlooked for the Virtuous Mission or sent somewhere else where it went wrong and he ended up scarred.
Maybe he was another disciple of the Boss too? I don't know, I've literally only just caught up with the series...
Maybe he was another disciple of the Boss too? I don't know, I've literally only just caught up with the series...
Skullface
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Skull Face got rekt as a kid. Won't go into the details because spoilers, but that's a fact.
Maybe skullface is to BB what, Grayfox is to Snake?
Skullface
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I could jive with that. Maybe Skull Face is a forgotten Cobra, or disciple? That could explain some animosity.
Skullface
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The text that I put in bold... Wut?
Damn, class is about start. Later dudez. I'll be lurking.
Where did I introduce new factors? And why are you limiting what arguments I use? FPS, for me, is one of them, as is the whole different bugs between different consoles. It's just not practical and unfair for players.
That POW from the AA mission said it. I think someone else said something similar, but I might just imagine that.
*Sigh*
This is your post that I'm refuting.
Every single post that follows in reply to your has to do with this.
I'm pointing out that your argument claiming that a difference in FPS is what makes cross platform not viable, is not correct.
How do I do this? By pointing out that a difference in FPS is already prevalent on the PC platform itself, and yet gameplay between these people is still achieved. Whether it to be fair or not, is to be determined by objective criteria.
Your response to me pointing out the error in your judgement it this:
This is where you introduce new factors that are irrelevant to your original post.
They do not refute my argument that a difference in FPS is already present on the PC platform, yet the games remain playable. Nor do they give your original post any more value.
Now following this quick but effective lesson in argumentation, I would kindly ask you to refrain from replying unless you have anything of value to say that would refute my original statement, or add value to your first post.
Thank you
And in the eternal words of Marshal Erickson
This is your post that I'm refuting.
Every single post that follows in reply to your has to do with this.
I'm pointing out that your argument claiming that a difference in FPS is what makes cross platform not viable, is not correct.
How do I do this? By pointing out that a difference in FPS is already prevalent on the PC platform itself, and yet gameplay between these people is still achieved. Whether it to be fair or not, is to be determined by objective criteria.
Your response to me pointing out the error in your judgement it this:
This is where you introduce new factors that are irrelevant to your original post.
They do not refute my argument that a difference in FPS is already present on the PC platform, yet the games remain playable. Nor do they give your original post any more value.
Now following this quick but effective lesson in argumentation, I would kindly ask you to refrain from replying unless you have anything of value to say that would refute my original statement, or add value to your first post.
Thank you
And in the eternal words of Marshal Erickson
You gave the example of CS and I asked you what happened to cross platform CS:GO to which you replied that the PS3 gamers would be "rekt", which was not the case. Valve stated that cross-platform would prevent them from patching PC and PS3 and the same time. This is not "introducing new factors" it's a reply to an ignorant response from you. Furthermore we clearly disagree on the FPS factor. You then gave the example of SFV, again a poor example since you clearly don't understand how fighting games and combos and hit detection works based on FPS. A SF online match will be played at the exact same framerate as the lowest of both players. So if P1 has 80FPS and P2 has 15 FPS, the match will be played at 15 FPS, hence why I said they would lock the framerate.
You chose to focus on my FPS argument to which I didn't say it would be impossible but would be unfair. I think it would be impossible for MGO3 to be cross-gen because I think it will work the same as a fighting game, the same animations being played at different framerates will be hard to sync server-side and it would lead to "glitchy" movement very similar to what happened on MGO2.
Big Boss is listening to them. I say this because Skull Face revealed he left the tapes at the base on purpose. He wanted Big Boss to listen to them. He wanted him to know.
Love Deterrence
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The tape I'm most curious about is the one that isn't compatible with Boss' cassette player.
That tapes only contains data on how the operations are being run there, it's not a audible because it's more like a diskette.
Cipher Cat
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I finally finished MGS4 yesterday, i totally get now why it's a divisive title in gaf's history even tough it won that's year GOTY. I personally enjoyed it a lot even after i got spoiled for most of the biggest moments.....but man i think that game contains more cutscenes than gameplay. I think MGS4 is a nice end for the series so it's crazy that we are getting Metal Gear solid V, specially since we kinda know what should happen thanks to 4, not that i'm complaining.
I'm sorry? Was this not clear?
Seriously last lesson. And actually read what I'm saying this time your responses are just embarrassing.
This was your explanation why Cross Platform would not be possible:
Out of this reasoning the logical inference is that cross play PS3-PS4 is not viable since there's a difference in FPS. (3)
Which I pointed out to be rubbish since on the PC everyone has a different FPS and it's playable.
Now put on your seatbelt:
(1): This is obviously a joke pointing out that console players have no skill since an fps is almost unplayable without any form of aim assist. That this passed over your head it quite amusing? Secondly it is introducing new elements. How does that refute my argument that a difference in FPS makes no difference? It's a cheap way to make yourself look intelligent by bringing in new facts that add no value to your original argument.
(2): You're joking? So you're telling me that SF IV on pc has a magic detection system to detect what fps both players are playing and sync it and then lock it the lowest of both?
This argument just refutes itself I'm not even going to bother explaining that you're just inventing nonsense as you go a long.
The only system they have in place is to detect the latency between players and slow the game down. That's all.
(3): see introduction.
You notice how I refute every single argument you put on the table? And not just select a few or a sentence? Do you also see how mine are based on facts and I don't invent things?
Now you've embarrassed yourself enough now. Also I suggest you consider some form of higher education since your level of reading and argumentation is appalling.
Love Deterrence
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Holy shit!!!!!!!!!
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