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Metal Gear Community Thread: Made you wait, didn't I?
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Chakra_Khan
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Let's hope to cthulu that they haven't cut that outfit. Look at the pleated lacing on the shoulders. that jacket is the pimp juice!
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Xpike
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I'm kinda glad MGS4 retcon'd Eva into being the Twin Snakes' mother, she was just another victim of the times and truly loved Big Boss.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
That wasn't really a retcon though. Just a new story detail. To my knowledge it doesn't contradict anything previously stated in the series, and they even mentioned the Japanese woman in that scene.
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Xpike
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"Shoehorn" is also an appropiate term.
Chakra_Khan
Member
How would you all have felt if Bryan Cranston was cast as Big Boss?
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I'd be disconcerted, because the whole point of getting Keifer on board was to get someone for motion capture who could also act as Snake. I don't know if Cranston has the same physical presence as Sutherland. Also it would probably take away from the game since everyone would just think of Breaking Bad when playing it. Cranston has a wide range but wide in the sense of appearance and the kind of characters he can play. His voice is very distinct no matter who he is playing. The new Quiet trailer shows Sutherland bringing a different voice than his typical Jack Bauer affair.
Skullface
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I don't know man, Cranston might surprise you. Have you heard his voice work? Also, people talked about how Walter White was just going to be an extension of Malcolm in the Middle's Hal when Breaking Bad first came out.
Chakra_Khan
Member
As far as physical presence is concerned, that is only dependent on the facial aspect. I also posed the question because Cranston's voice is more appropriately gravely than sutherland's, who has a more nasally tamber.
Also, though I'm sure Keifer has range of his own (certainly has the intensity), Cranston takes the cake there when it comes to versatility. Let's not forget that the dude has a treck in voice acting. He even acted in the same studio as David Hayter back in the early 90's doing anime dubs. He gets the japanese element of it completely. So the cheesy lines would be delivered wholeheartedly.
Everyone would of course thing of Breaking Bad when playing it no less than they would 24.
That's just my 2 cents though.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
It was fucking dumb.
Skullface
Member
You're making me wish Cranston got the roll now. Imagine his take on "Kept you waiting, huh?". In my head it sounds gold. Don't get me wrong though, I am thoroughly satisfied with Kiefer.
Chakra_Khan
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Oh my friend, he would absolutely murder the role. would definitely bring a new level of sexy to the role. not to say that kiefer dont, cuz he do.
AuthenticM
Member
I'd be very surprised if Eva was not in the game, honestly. It would be weird. She has to be in it.
I think this game will be a huge MGS family meeting with Sniper Wolf, Eva, Gray Fox, Naomi, Sigint, Zero, Para Medic etc.
That can be very dangerous to put that all in one game (look at MGS4) but Kojima kinda has to since he's established that BB has met literally everyone in the MG universe lol and this is supposed to wrap his story.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
AuthenticM
Member
Yeah, totally. Some of them will probably have less screen time than others (such as Sigint and Para-Medic), but I fully expect Eva to have an important part in the game and not just a cameo. I wouldn't be surprised to see a teenage Solidus, also.
Skullface
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Surely you mean "teenaged looking". I'm only asking because I just want to make sure I understand his place in the time line. Or will he be a teenager looking like a grown ass man?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Chakra_Khan
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But given how constricting the canon is, he could just say fuck all and NOT include alot of these people. there is still an entire decade between V and mg1. He could just leave that expanse of time up to the fanbase to fill in the blanks.............much to our chagrin.
I have a strong feeling Frank Jaeger wont show up in this game. It's been 2 years since the announcement, we would have seen a hint of something by now.
I have a strong feeling Frank Jaeger wont show up in this game. It's been 2 years since the announcement, we would have seen a hint of something by now.
He'd be 10 in the game, so he would probably look like he's in his late teens.
Edit: Around 12 actually.
AuthenticM
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CHEEZMO;132481853 said:Solidus was the good guy
His goal was noble, but his methods were reprehensible. I guess he's what we'd call an anti-villain.
As for his age, he is slightly younger than Solid and Liquid, but he ages more quickly than either of them. He was Raiden's superior in the Liberian War, which happened in 1988 I believe. He couldn't have been more than 16 years old, but he had to look in his early 20s.
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
You guys might be right about Cranston. Will check out his voice work.
If it had not been for MGS4, I would say that's debatable.
President Johnson: Whether you believe it or not, the balance of power rests in the hands of the Patriots. They regulate the country's various interests through controlled presentation, staging a "drama" that is palatable to the general masses. Can you imagine what would happen if they ceased to function? Picture a massive political vacuum, a space that every power-monger will try to fill for their own greedy ends. I'm talking about an unregulated power struggle -- panic, civil war... chaos. Like it or not -- the Patriots is an organization that must continue to exist.
Add some of the things said on top of Federal Hall in addition to reflecting on Solidus' disturbing past and I would choose the Pats over Solidus if those were my only options. I never got the impression the Pats were going for the whole war economy thing in MGS2. It was less 1984 and more Brave New World. But the series ended up taking the 1984 route after MGS2 to the point where it's now even clearly referenced in Phantom Pain...and you gotta love how Sunny creates a virus that conveniently leaves important structures in society intact after destroying the Patriots.
NAOMI AND I CALL IT FOXALIVE
CHEEZMO;132481853 said:Solidus was the good guy
If it had not been for MGS4, I would say that's debatable.
President Johnson: Whether you believe it or not, the balance of power rests in the hands of the Patriots. They regulate the country's various interests through controlled presentation, staging a "drama" that is palatable to the general masses. Can you imagine what would happen if they ceased to function? Picture a massive political vacuum, a space that every power-monger will try to fill for their own greedy ends. I'm talking about an unregulated power struggle -- panic, civil war... chaos. Like it or not -- the Patriots is an organization that must continue to exist.
Add some of the things said on top of Federal Hall in addition to reflecting on Solidus' disturbing past and I would choose the Pats over Solidus if those were my only options. I never got the impression the Pats were going for the whole war economy thing in MGS2. It was less 1984 and more Brave New World. But the series ended up taking the 1984 route after MGS2 to the point where it's now even clearly referenced in Phantom Pain...and you gotta love how Sunny creates a virus that conveniently leaves important structures in society intact after destroying the Patriots.
NAOMI AND I CALL IT FOXALIVE
Chakra_Khan
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You know it is a shame that the specs of the ps3 weren't up to par with the original vision.
Hey there sly devil.
I feel the need to slap him in the non-existant eyebrow.
Hey there sly devil.
I feel the need to slap him in the non-existant eyebrow.
"Osslit"
PrinceOfWhatever
Banned
Well we haven't seen Solid Snake yet either but we all know that he is in the game.
#TeamA
Woodchipper
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This. Very dangerous indeed and one of the main reasons MGS4 was such a mess.
Chakra_Khan
Member
and now we await the million dollar answer.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I forgot how mind numbingly easy MGS1 was on Normal. I set it to that so I would have radar for story reasons (Mei Ling has a whole cutscene for it) but to enjoy this game I am gonna have to put it on Extreme.
PC version is weird. Graphically it is obviously superior but you can save outside of Mei Ling and the vr missions are in a separate executable. Plus there is an issue with my dpad where it does not represent corners. I can only go up, down, left, or right, not in any corner direction. Quite annoying. I will try ps emulation instead.
PC version is weird. Graphically it is obviously superior but you can save outside of Mei Ling and the vr missions are in a separate executable. Plus there is an issue with my dpad where it does not represent corners. I can only go up, down, left, or right, not in any corner direction. Quite annoying. I will try ps emulation instead.
GreyOcelot
Member
it's probably sitting in some vacant tokyo hotel room amongst empty cans of asahi
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Rad.
Chakra_Khan
Member
yes, except there are some lines that are delivered quite blandly. I suspect that when it comes to the more serious oriented ones, everyone will swoon over them because he has no problem giving THAT kind of performance.
When it comes to quirky Kojimisms though? Hell no. It honestly feels like he doesn't quite get the goofiness the series is known for and just kind of half assedly delivers the line.
See what I'm starting to suspect, and this had me concerned from the get go, is that Kiefer perhaps had a vague understanding of the games, hence "I'm not a gamer and even I knew about this game" and going into it thought, much like we all did, that it was going to be this very serious, very stoic war story about child soldiers, torture etc. I don't think he expected the full on craziness of the series, and as he got deeper into the recording, process it has thrown him off a bit. I mean, if the gz deju vu mission is any indication......come on.
Then again we haven't heard that much yet from the phantom pain, so maybe he is warming up to the style as he delves deeper into the script.
aaaand this is why I feel Brian Cranston would have been perfect for the role. The cheeziness would be given as much attention as the preachy seriousness.
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Xpike
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Brian Cranston wouldn't have been a good Snake, Kiefer has experience playing soldiers who have been manipulated and lied to, which is why I think he has set into this role this quickly, Cranston being in MGSV would only be because of Breaking Bad hype.
Skullface
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First of all, this debate is kind of senseless, because at the end of the day Kiefer's playing the roll, not Brian. On the other hand, I just can't sit by and not point out that your logic is awful...
Experience playing a soldier being manipulated and lied to is a terrible bench mark. It's not like Hayter had any such experience.
Chakra_Khan
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Sure that's fair. There's nothing up for conjecture there.
Not sure if you frequent these forums, but ever since the keifster was announced as snake there has been an endless sea of 24 and "snake bauer" comments from here to the moon. You don't think that in casting him, there was a demographic there for a celebrity people recognize?
Whether it was Cranston or Keifer, there would be hype around what they are normally associated with regardless.
Playing a soldier who is manipulated and lied to is one thing. Playing a soldier who is manipulated and lied to through the mindscape of a Japanese persons view of the military industrial complex and all its dogmas is another thing entirely.
Anyone can play the soldier who is manipulated and lied to type. Just look at Eric Johnson's "performance" as Sam Fisher in blacklist.
Playing a guy who is an amalgamation of a John Carpenter character that came out of cheesy 80's action flair and james bond campy spy antics and who uses obtuse albiet unique stealth methods like cardboard boxes and porn magazines requires a balanced approach:
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Xpike
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its all useless anyway
if i was kojima i would've cast Hayter as Snake in Ground Zeroes and Richard Doyle in Phamtom Pain, writting the voice change as a damage due to the coma.
if i was kojima i would've cast Hayter as Snake in Ground Zeroes and Richard Doyle in Phamtom Pain, writting the voice change as a damage due to the coma.
Skullface
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Sure that's fair. There's nothing up for conjecture there.
Not sure if you frequent these forums, but ever since the keifster was announced as snake there has been an endless sea of 24 and "snake bauer" comments from here to the moon. You don't think that in casting him, there was a demographic there for a celebrity people recognize?
Whether it was Cranston or Keifer, there would be hype around what they are normally associated with regardless.
Playing a soldier who is manipulated and lied to is one thing. Playing a soldier who is manipulated and lied to through the mindscape of a Japanese persons view of the military industrial complex and all its dogmas is another thing entirely.
Anyone can play the soldier who is manipulated and lied to type. Just look at Eric Johnson's "performance" as Sam Fisher in blacklist.
Playing a guy who is an amalgamation of a John Carpenter character that came out of cheesy 80's action flair and james bond campy spy antics and who uses obtuse albiet unique stealth methods like cardboard boxes and porn magazines requires a balanced approach:
Incredibly well written
Chakra_Khan
Member
Thank you kind sir.
AuthenticM
Member
Cranston would be a great Campbell.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Jesse, it's t-time to cook. You must fulfill your role! Do NOT rely on Mike, he was never part of the simulation!
Skullface
Member
Oh jeez that was perfect. Such an iconic voice.
...Is this actually real? I mean, now that I think about it... It's probably true. The fact that he's also quite literally the entire red thread through the metal gear solid series baffles me, too, from a fictional point of view. The entire story encapsulates so much events, I love it.
You know it is a shame that the specs of the ps3 weren't up to par with the original vision.
Hey there sly devil.
I feel the need to slap him in the non-existant eyebrow.
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
^Because Solid Snake and Naked Snake are not the same person, and as they get older their differences start to get more pronounced.
AuthenticM
Member
Jesus christ the sound is fucked. It keeps bouncing between the left and right channel.
edit: oh wow, he married the female lead from Guyver 2. I guess that movie hasn't been such a bad thing for him !
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