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[CambriaRising]

I blame Platinum for asking/letting Kojima make a trailer.

I can just imagine a supervisor being all like "Kojima, no, pls" in the editing room as Kojima is cutting all of the stuff they tried to hide into the trailer.

He was pretty good about keeping Armstrong a secret, but not much else. He practically gives you a walkthrough.

I think he means well. He just gets super excited.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I'm not sure there is enough substance in that theory for me to really put any belief into it, but I will say that I like the idea of another Snake. Before I ever played the series, what intrigued me most was being told about the multiple Snakes and all the convolouted clone shenanigans.
If someone else was being turned into the new 'Venom Snake' that would be cool.

 

[Gnome Scat]

Nice. Unfortunately, that doesn't explain the tapes where we hear him speaking or the fact that the guards talk about him. Perhaps he is real but still fulfils that kind of role?

To quote myself:

Empty Cassette tape/PTSD influenced hallucinations, like in

Spoiler

Spec Ops: The Line

. His subconscious is being projected into the world around him.

Big Boss has been through so much shit in his life that it's totally possible that he could be suffering from some serious PTSD.

Also, Skull Face is described as "A ghost without a past" (because he is the past) and he has been described as "somewhat inhuman," especially when Kojima said "he’s not just a plain old bad guy: his face has been stripped off, revealing his skull. This ‘skull face’ represents the human side that he lost."

To note a cassette tap from Ground Zeroes:

I needed this place, to listen to the words people have to say. That's something they could never understand. (the man, Skull Face, then walks up to the prisoner, who is groaning in agony) You've done your part. You told us plenty. You've known the pain of ages. And even now you think, as any person would, that this can't be happening. Is it education? Morals, faith? Just an imprint of a lifetime of stories? Face to face with oblivion, which is where you are, and you still think that help is coming. The world you were born into is made to save you. Isn't that right? Of course it is. Everyone knows that. Until your last breath, you know it. Without the slightest chance or reason left to them, humans are capable of hope. I'm no different. But for one thing. When my time came calling I didn't die. My family died, my country died, but they didn't take me with them. All Hell took from me was this skin, this outer peel that marked me "human."

Here, this is Snake's subconscious reflection upon his own world views, his desperate hope that in the world he lives in, things will turn out to be better, that he will be more than just a weapon in his life. He also talks about what has been stripped away from him, such as The Boss (his family), America (his country), and his values/worth (his skin), and basically says he has nothing left.

My village had an oilseed field and a fine factory. Every day my friends and I would see our parents at work in that factory. That's all I had. All the world I knew. Then one day, aircraft came droning in from some far-off sky. The factory was bombed. Some... "spies" had told them we were making weapons. The building burned. We tried to flee outside. The crowd blocked the exit. The crowd of people. Hot. So hot. I tried to push through their legs and get ahead, but a boot in my stomach put me on the ground. The smoke of them burning filled me up. I heard my name called... but not for long. At the infirmary they carried me to, a nurse in the corner saw me and remarked, as if it happened every day: "They should let the poor thing die." Those are the only words of my mother tongue I remember. It was the language of my village. Until foreign troops invaded. Then the last identity I had left - the words I spoke - were pulled from me. My skin would never feel anything again. This face would be burned again, in torture, at foreign hands, but I, I still writhe in that burning factory. Doused in scalding rapeseed oil. That's all I have to feel, that pain - all I have to remind me I exist here. (chuckles) Those "spies" reported well. We made weapons all right. As cartloads of rifles came in from the battlefields, we fixed them up and sent them back out. So our country could win. Or rather, so that little world we knew could continue. I came to realize I mustn't die. I'm their last hope, all those who perished and left me here. I have to accomplish something. If I don't, their will will be swept out of this world.

Basically, this is an allegory for Snake's past that can tie into the quote above. His village was him, the factory was America, and the bombers were his betrayal. The rest is basically just saying his beliefs turned on him. The rifles he talks about were the soldiers he recruited to MSF.

(Skull Face proceeds to grab the prisoner) So? Do you see me now? Tell me. What do you see? Hmm? You have eyes. What do your eyes see? (chuckles) Yes, that's right. You see a skull face. You see me. This skull is who I am. My mark, my proof of humanity. I have no country, no language, I have no face, but I haven't lost my skull. So I told myself... The pain and effort that keep me alive will never know relief, never bear fruit, never be repaid. I know that, but I told myself to focus on some hope, a nonexistent hope to guide me through this burning world. A hope - call it a dream. A melancholic delusion. As the pressures within me stretch me to bursting, and I force myself not to cry out, though the words I thought were carved into me are gone, and all I knew is dead. I know how you feel. I've felt that. So show me. That I'm not the only one. That you too can return to this world, for revenge. Do you see me? Don't die. Don't die! (Ahh...)

This is pretty much just Snake's subconscious telling him to give into the pain and understand what the world really is, which is what led him to create Outer Heaven.

TL;DR: I think a lot of things about Skull Face's backstory can aline with aspects of Snake's life.

Anyways, maybe Skull Face is a real character, but this could be what he represents in the story of MGSV.

 

[Alienous]

So that scene where Big Boss and Skullface are driving up to Metal Gear Rex 0.5, even that late into the game (presumably), Snake is Fight Club-ing it?

 

[josecitoxnyo]

Remember this guys?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00D781HS6/



I think we all realised that this information wasn't exactly solid, so I asked a question to Amazon and I have received this response



We all know in the gaming world that a lack of response is almost a confirmation. Whats more, Amazon has left the description unedited.

Snake is back!

#TeamA

Dude, why do you do this to you? Just think with your feet on the ground, for Kojima to do a full circle to close this "MGS saga", Solid Snake needs to appear in any kind of form in this game, you know it will happen so remain calm.

 

[MajorTom]

I have no doubt that Solid Snake will be in TPP in some form.
hopefully with Hayter voicing him if he speaks.

 

[Graphics Horse]

So that scene where Big Boss and Skullface are driving up to Metal Gear Rex 0.5, even that late into the game (presumably), Snake is Fight Club-ing it?

mmhh

I think the only thing Snake might be fight club-ing is his horny distending horn. The horn is in two parts, a little part which hasn't shown signs of growth and the large part above it, perhaps there's a reason for that.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Basically, this is an allegory for Snake's past that can tie into the quote above. His village was him, the factory was America, and the bombers were his betrayal. The rest is basically just saying his beliefs turned on him. The rifles he talks about were the soldiers he recruited to MSF.


This is pretty much just Snake's subconscious telling him to give into the pain and understand what the world really is, which is what led him to create Outer Heaven.

TL;DR: I think a lot of things about Skull Face's backstory can aline with aspects of Snake's life.

Anyways, maybe Skull Face is a real character, but this could be what he represents in the story of MGSV.

That's all really good stuff vis a vie the mirroring and I certainly agree with that stuff, I just don't see there being any good evidence to suggest that Skullface is a figment of his imagination. As you pointed out, he can serve exactly the same function without it. Plus, there is a lot of physical evidence suggesting that he does exist (the opening cut sequence where he is spoken to, the patches, the guards describing him, Paz and Chico etc.)

Yes that's true as well, but the actual therapy done is to believe something (a limb) is there to relieve the pain but in reality it's not there.

Right. Does XOF as an organisation actually exist? Black Ops teams are often "off the books", right? So, in a technical sense, they don't. Equally, XOF could be a front or subsidiary of another organisation, so in that sense, they may not exist too. Plus, there's "Those That Don't Exist" (or whatever) that need to be taken into consideration with the whole mirror therapy stuff.

It's interesting stuff!

And so the point he comes to is that GZ may not actually be real, that alone wasn't enough to convince me. But then he talks about the train stations bit where whenever a Patriot controlled system starts to malfunction there is an audio sequence that keeps repeating the names of train stations of a Japanese train line:

1. MGS1 - Gray Fox is seen saying this sequence in the corridor and also an unused file.
2. MGS2 - When the AI speaking to Raiden starts to malfunction in Arsenal Gear it also says the same sequence.
3. MGS4 - Sunny, who was raised by the Patriots?, says the sequence when cooking eggs.
4. MGSV GZ - In the Déjà vu mission there's a part when something gets messed up and this random text appears on the screen, the iDroid says the sequence with messed up audio and then says 'Functionality restored' or something when everything goes back to normal.
5. MGS PW - When you start dismantling the Patriot AI (the one with the Boss's voice) The Boss says the sequence.

These aren't spoilers. It's already happened in the games we've all played. We just haven't been making the connections.

So why do the train stations point to things not being real? The Déjà Vu mission isn't canon and none of the other sequences are specifically imaginary events. I'm not sure where he's made that particular connection. If anything, they mostly seem AI related. Hmmm...

I do love good theorycrafting, gentlemen. Keep up the fine work!

 

[Vally]

Already posted it in one of the mgo forums but might as well..

m8s.. do you really want to potentially spoil yourself with this stuff? I think its better to wait and play the fucking game to experience it the way its supposed to be. Not even sure if i'll watch the coming E3 trailer since kojima likes to go overboard with pre-launch hype advertisement - remember the last MGS4 trailer?

I wish I could avoid the coming trailers but there's no way I could resist it... hopefully they won't have as many spoilers as the MGS4 trailers

I really liked the Nuclear trailer because it showed a ton of new scenes but we still know very little about the story

 

[RK9039]

Right. Does XOF as an organisation actually exist? Black Ops teams are often "off the books", right? So, in a technical sense, they don't. Equally, XOF could be a front or subsidiary of another organisation, so in that sense, they may not exist too. Plus, there's "Those That Don't Exist" (or whatever) that need to be taken into consideration with the whole mirror therapy stuff.

It's interesting stuff!

It really is interesting stuff. The XOF unit do exist don't they? at least I think they do, that guy has twisted everything so I don't really know what's real anymore. If they do exist where the hell did they suddenly appear from? I mean this whole XOF thing really came out of the blue didn't it, and who actually controls them? and why is Big Boss with Skull Face in one of the cutscenes? didn't that guy basically blow up his entire base? wtf is going on.

So why do the train stations point to things not being real? The Déjà Vu mission isn't canon and none of the other sequences are specifically imaginary events. I'm not sure where he's made that particular connection. If anything, they mostly seem AI related. Hmmm...

I do love good theorycrafting, gentlemen. Keep up the fine work!

Yeah I think the whole thing seems to be AI related. Those last two missions (Deja Vu and w/e the other was called) clearly aren't real, Raiden wasn't actually there, those missions are just 'extras'. Or at least that's how they appear. The train station sequence since MGS1 only comes about when something goes wrong, all these events have one thing in common and that's the fact they are all related to the Patriots (specifically the AIs malfunctioning). So if something has gone wrong in one of the missions in GZ which leads us to believe the AIs might be involved (given how they are involved in all the other events where we can hear that train station sequence), yes it's an extra mission, but how much of the other missions in GZ are the AIs involved in? I think that's my understanding of this entire thing. I still think a lot of it could be far fetched, but then I remember MGS2 and realize this is Kojima we're dealing with here.

I also feel like this could be around the same time Zero is starting up the AIs? AIs where already a big thing in PW as well.

ed: Oh I forgot to mention something. In the Deja Vu mission things start to malfunction (again with the train station sequence) when the prisoner 'dies' from FOXDIE right? Wasn't a digital version of FOXDIE basically used to cripple and destroy the Patriot AI in MGS2? it's interesting to see things start to mess up with the screen and iDroid malfunctioning around the same time when that prisoner dies from the FOXDIE virus.

 

[J.EM1]

I wish I could avoid the coming trailers but there's no way I could resist it... hopefully they won't have as many spoilers as the MGS4 trailers

I really liked the Nuclear trailer because it showed a ton of new scenes but we still know very little about the story

Between now and release day I think there should be maybe 2-3 trailers plus the launch trailer. Chicken hat trailer, MGO trailer, Mother Base gameplay trailer.

Also I'm avoiding those "analyses" vids like the plague. Like Aesop said, if one or two of those theories turns out to be true, well fuck me. Time for a media blackout!

 

[Screaming Meat]

I still think a lot of it could be far fetched, but then I remember MGS2 and realize this is Kojima we're dealing with here.

I also feel like this could be around the same time Zero is starting up the AIs? AIs where already a big thing in PW as well.

AI could be involved, but VR hasn't been brought into the picture yet. I guess this could be the instalment where it does, but I doubt it somehow. Not sure why yet.

MGS2 was Kojima's grand statement about the nature of reality and I'd be a little bit disappointed if he went back over old ground. MGS2 was thematically, narratively and mechanically consistent on a level few games ever reach and to try to capture that lightning in a bottle again whilst revisiting an old theme doesn't seem like Kojima. He's always pushing forward, looking at new things.

As I've said before, MGS2 really did a number on the fanbase. His deception tied in with it's themes so it worked for that game, but ever since then he's never tried to pull anything similar. Still, the fanbase don't want to be tricked again, so they desperately search on for that extra little twist! I don't see it happening though. Without the thematic weight behind it, it'd essentially be "an it's all a dream" ending, which'd be a massive cop out.

ed: Oh I forgot to mention something. In the Deja Vu mission things start to malfunction (again with the train station sequence) when the prisoner 'dies' from FOXDIE right? Wasn't a digital version of FOXDIE basically used to cripple and destroy the Patriot AI in MGS2? it's interesting to see things start to mess up with the screen and iDroid malfunctioning around the same time when that prisoner dies from the FOXDIE virus.

Good shout. Couldn't that be a nice little reference to MGS2 though? I mean, it'd be a little out of place considering it's all about MGS, but still.

 

[RK9039]

I really want another MGS2 mindfuck, it was so good.

But you're right the VR thing could be too far fetched for the era the game takes place in and he might not even want to go down that road again. Still, we all know there will be many neat twists in this one anyways.

 

[Screaming Meat]

I really want another MGS2 mindfuck, it was so good.

I know, but it wouldn't work as well. People are expecting it now.

Speaking of AI error, did HAL sing Daisy at the end of 2001: Space Odyssey in the Japanese dub...? Do they know that song in Japan?

But you're right the VR thing could be too far fetched for the era the game takes place in and he might not even want to go down that road again. Still, we all know there will be many neat twists in this one anyways.

It's not totally far fetched; it's Metal Gear! XD

 

[RK9039]

Good shout. Couldn't that be a nice little reference to MGS2 though? I mean, it'd be a little out of place considering it's all about MGS, but still.

Yup, that's thing as well, it could just be a reference to MGS2 seeing how that entire mission is basically a giant reference to MGS1.

I know, but it wouldn't work as well. People are expecting it now.

Speaking of AI error, did HAL sing Daisy at the end of 2001: Space Odyssey in the Japanese dub...? Do they know that song in Japan?

I have no idea about that one, I read they had their own version of that song but I haven't heard it.

It's not totally far fetched; it's Metal Gear! XD

Damn right! literally anything can happen.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Yup, that's thing as well, it could just be a reference to MGS2 seeing how that entire mission is basically a giant reference to MGS1.

Another good shout.

I have no idea about that one, I read they had their own version of that song but I haven't heard it.

Maybe it was replaced with... train stations?

 

[RK9039]

Maybe it was replaced with... train stations?

*triple H nodding gif*

Very good

 

[Screaming Meat]

*triple H nodding gif*

Very good

I'm totally reaching.

 

[Marty-esque]

Do most people here plan on avoiding the OT until they've finished the game?

 

[RK9039]

^ I might do, then again there will probably be a thread just for spoilers.

I'm totally reaching.

It would be funny though, all Japanese conspiracies are just train stations lol.

 

[MajorTom]

Do most people here plan on avoiding the OT until they've finished the game?

Probably. I don't think anyone would spoil the story to be a dick but you can never be sure with the internet.

 

[Palpable]

Do most people here plan on avoiding the OT until they've finished the game?

Absolutely. I don't want anything spoiled. I always collect MGS shit. That being said, the LE guide for MGS4 came in a week early. My dumbass opened the back pages to see the weapons index, however I accidentally opened it to a page showing Big Boss' face. Fuck.

 

[Chinner]

i'm a little warey that someone might get the spoilers and troll post/pm them. don't think i'll read anything around the time of release.

 

[Marty-esque]

Absolutely. I don't want anything spoiled. I always collect MGS shit. That being said, the LE guide for MGS4 came in a week early. My dumbass opened the back pages to see the weapons index, however I accidentally opened it to a page showing Big Boss' face. Fuck.

That sucks. Did you throw the guide across the room?

 

[Palpable]

That sucks. Did you throw the guide across the room?

No. I shot myself in the head.

 

[tryagainlater]

I feel like there is some mistranslation or something with the six hour missions. It doesn't sound real. I feel like people are hyping it up and then will be disappointed when the game comes out and claim Kojima lied about it.

 

[Åesop]

Why does it even matter how long a mission is ?? It's not like the game will be over in 6 hours

Spoiler

( ͠° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[JayEH]

NEW THEORY:

Is Big Boss actually Jonathan Joestar????

 

[Sub_Level]

MGS2 to me is not a game that I enjoy because of seeing the twist for the first time. It is seeing the story unfold on replays and noticing all the details and callbacks, soaking the concept of the narrative in more fully each time.

A major plot twist alone would not put V on the same level as 2. All of the games have big twists. It'd need to be inundated with thematic echoes and wink wink nudge nudges. So someone leaking the game's plot a week or month before launch does not dictate if I would enjoy the experience or not.

 

[Vally]

Do most people here plan on avoiding the OT until they've finished the game?

Definitely. I'll be posting my impressions about the game in the community thread, but I'm not touching the OT until I'm done with it.

 

[Lernaean]

NEW THEORY:

Is Big Boss actually Jonathan Joestar????

Jonathan makes sense. That's why BB doesn't have a stand.

 

[Rean]

NEW THEORY:

Is Big Boss actually Jonathan Joestar????

Theory Confirmed

 

[tryagainlater]

MGS2 to me is not a game that I enjoy because of seeing the twist for the first time. It is seeing the story unfold on replays and noticing all the details and callbacks, soaking the concept of the narrative in more fully each time.

A major plot twist alone would not put V on the same level as 2. All of the games have big twists. It'd need to be inundated with thematic echoes and wink wink nudge nudges. So someone leaking the game's plot a week or month before launch does not dictate if I would enjoy the experience or not.

Preach, brother. I would still be bothered by spoilers but it won't ruin the story if it's on MGS2's level.

 

[Lernaean]

I have a picture of Kojima visiting Araki's office, but i can't post it as i may put my source(s) in real jeopardy.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

 

[Rean]

New Theory!

Was the Boss a stand user all along?

 

[JayEH]

Theory Confirmed

Hory shit.

Jonathan makes sense. That's why BB doesn't have a stand.

He even uses Hamon in the TGS demo.

 

[Mexen]

Lots of fascinating theories/analyses.
I just wanna be able to preorder the CE soon. ( ._.)

 

[Lernaean]

New Theory!

Was the Boss a stand user all along?

I can't confirm that. All i can say is that we'll know all about the connection of the 2 franchises in June. Mark your calendars.

He even uses Hamon in the TGS demo.

I can't confirm that either. Many employees may be fired if i reveal everything i know.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Lots of fascinating theories/analyses.
I just wanna be able to preorder the CE soon. ( ._.)

you all missed CE

all sold out

 

[Vally]

 

[Jimmyfenix]

 

[JayEH]

I can't confirm that. All i can say is that we'll know all about the connection of the 2 franchises in June. Mark your calendars.

Should I make a thread?

 

[Rean]

Hory shit.



He even uses Hamon in the TGS demo.

 

[Lernaean]

Should I make a thread?

Please no 😂

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Do it Jay

Please make the thread

 

[JayEH]

I cracked the code guys.

 

[Chinner]

Is it possible that Big Boss may get some type of cannon arm?

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Wtf guys

Please stay on topic

 

[Rean]

Big Boss is DIO confirmed!

Checkmate!

Toki wo tomare!

WRYYYYYYYY!