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Metal Gear Solid Community |OT4| God Bless the Chopper!

All right, all this hype about the new MGS has got me willing to jump into this series.

I'm gonna borrow a friend's PS3 and get the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection.

That should be enough for me to get set up for Ground Zeroes then the Phantom Pain, right?
Just know that the games in that collection are radically different than this one. Controls in MGS games sucked until MGS4. Base building elements didn't come into play until Peace Walker. And MGS3's gameplay is probably the closest to the open world stuff in 5, but MGS3 is still fairly linear.
 

Toparaman

Banned
Man, that so many people have already finished MGSV is crazy. I've been playing 2 hours a day since release and I can tell I'm not even close. You guys play 6 hours a day or something? I'm partly jealous, but I don't know if I would even enjoy playing video games for that long. I would've liked to be playing the game at roughly the same time as the majority of the MG community, but oh well.
 
Anyone else feel like Cipher has become the equivalent of MGS4's nanomachines?

"It all leads back to cipher"
"He could have connections with cipher"
"Cipher must be behind this"
"Cipher is my dad"

Cipher cipher cipher
 

oldmario

Member
end game spoiler question

i've read that if you don't have the butterfly emblem on you can lose quiet, i haven't done the side op yet and i don't have mission 45 but i beat mission 46 am i still in the clear to keep her or have i lost her for good now?
 

pahamrick

Member
end game spoiler question

i've read that if you don't have the butterfly emblem on you can lose quiet, i haven't done the side op yet and i don't have mission 45 but i beat mission 46 am i still in the clear to keep her or have i lost her for good now?

Has she already left where you can't use her as a buddy? If you don't have the butterfly emblem before you beat mission 41, which is what starts the chain of her leaving, you lost her.
 

tensuke

Member
Lol yeah. Look Snake, there's a guy in Africa or Afghanistan with a gun in the 80s, must be from Cipher. No other explanation.
 

oldmario

Member
Has she already left where you can't use her as a buddy? If you don't have the butterfly emblem before you beat mission 41, which is what starts the chain of her leaving, you lost her.

pretty sure i have the emblem, if i attach it now i still have a chance at keeping her or did the emblem need to be on before she left
 

bojie1986

Member
Guys i have some confusion early in the game

Just finished mission 6 and it is shown that the floating kid and skullface seems to work together then why is that in the prologue the floating kid and the man on fire kills xof unit soldiers that i believe are skullface's men?
 
Anyone else feel like Cipher has become the equivalent of MGS4's nanomachines?

"It all leads back to cipher"
"He could have connections with cipher"
"Cipher must be behind this"
"Cipher is my dad"

Cipher cipher cipher
Hehe ya
Hype dying down and flaws are beginning to show
 
Boy are you in for a surprise!
.

man are you going to be eating crow

Just...don't set your expectations too high, that's all I'll say. I''ll see you in the spoiler thread soon enough.
My expectations aren't high since I've already read some impressions (no spoilers tho)that the story sucks and that the missions become filler-y but I still stand by my statement that I'm sure its not "garbage"
I'll gladly eat crow tho if I'm wrong. This shit is making me sad tho tbh
Edit: Sry 4 x2 post
 

Zambatoh

Member
I think I just finished the main story.

The
Quiet
ending, the main ending, and the
Paz
ending done back-to-back in rapid session is really powerful stuff. It actually brought tears to my eyes.
It's a shame they couldn't finish
Eli's story arc
in the final game though. I still need to read that Kotaku article.
But for some reason, that did not ruin the story for me. I'm actually quite happy with what I got to see of the story.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
Zambatoh: glad you enjoyed it, man, but a lot of us haven't finished the game yet. I didn't particularly want to find out
Eli's story arc doesn't have closure
just by popping my head in to a thread.
 

Zambatoh

Member
Zambatoh: glad you enjoyed it, man, but a lot of us haven't finished the game yet. I didn't particularly want to find out
Eli's story arc doesn't have closure
just by popping my head in to a thread.

I'm sorry. I figured since the missing ending has made quite a few headlines lately, that this would actually be more widely known by now.
Especially since the missing ending is also included in the collector's edition blu-ray disk as an unfinished cut-scene with concept art filling in the blanks.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
I'm sorry. I figured since the missing ending has made quite a few headlines lately, that this would actually be more widely known by now.
Especially since the missing ending is also included in the collector's edition blu-ray disk as an unfinished cut-scene with concept art filling in the blanks.

Are you trying to give me a heart attack? I didn't know any of that either! I'm not going to read news articles about a game I haven't finished.

Stahp writing things! XD
 

Loakum

Banned
well it was nice knowing you all but MGSV is finished now

see y'all in the next life

It's kind of sad this is how he chose to go about this. Especially after seeing all the love he got for making the MGSV TPP OT. I guess it's fitting no one seemed concerned enough to reply.
 

Houndi101

Member
It's kind of sad this is how he chose to go about this. Especially after seeing all the love he got for making the MGSV TPP OT. I guess it's fitting no one seemed concerned enough to reply.

Kojima was our Big Boss, now that he's gonna we're gonna scatter in the wind like MSF soldiers.

But when he returns in 9 years...
 

Loakum

Banned
Kojima was our Big Boss, now that he's gonna we're gonna scatter in the wind like MSF soldiers.

But when he returns in 9 years...

If Konami releases remakes of the 3 Metal Gear Solid games (using the Fox Engine), with the return of David Hayter (and the other original voice actors)....even without Kojima, Metal Gear shall rise again.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
If Konami releases remakes of the 3 Metal Gear Solid games (using the Fox Engine), with the return of David Hayter (and the other original voice actors)....even without Kojima, Metal Gear shall rise again.

Dear god, that sounds freakin' awful. I hope they don't do that. It'd be shitting on a legacy. If they have to make more, at least have the balls to reboot the series and go their own way rather than rehash perfectly good games.
 

Loakum

Banned
Dear god, that sounds freakin' awful. I hope they don't do that. It'd be shitting on a legacy. If they have to make more, at least have the balls to reboot the series and go their own way rather than rehash perfectly good games.

You think Konami is willing to spend money on an whole new MGS game? If so, it's gonna be done on the cheap. It would make more sense to issue remakes of their proven hit games, instead of taking an risk of making a new Metal Gear game without Kojima at the helm. Not to mention it's cheaper to make a remake than to make an new game from scratch. Either way folks will complain.
 

J.EM1

Member
You guys think Konami is going release DLC? I feel some things are missing from the game.. camos, head options, missions..
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
You think Konami is willing to spend money on an whole new MGS game? If so, it's gonna be done on the cheap. It would make more sense to issue remakes of their proven hit games, instead of taking an risk of making a new Metal Gear game without Kojima at the helm. Not to mention it's cheaper to make a remake than to make an new game from scratch. Either way folks will complain.

I'm not saying they wouldn't do it, I'm saying it would be fucking awful.

Even so, here are the problems I can see right off the bat:

Remaking the old games in Fox Engine... if they just gave them a graphical spruce, the old-style gameplay and difficulty barrier on the controls would certainly put a lot of people off. If they use the more up-to-date model of TPP in the old game's framework, they'd have to redesign them from the ground up or face exactly the same issues as Twin Snakes.

Then there is going back to the linear model of the older games. Many new players who joined with TPP may view that as a huge step back, especially in an age of the gaming arms race, where everything gets exponentially larger ("New bigger maps, more content, more guns!" Etc.).

Now, depending on how easy development is using Fox Engine, it would make more sense to reboot the series and plunder the Kojima mythology for all the good bits without being forcefully tied into a densely packed mythology. They aren't going to be able to replicate Kojima's "voice" so they shouldn't even try, like how the Housers did their own revisionist take on Max Payne rather than try to copy Sam Lake's unique storytelling. Reboot the saga with Metal Gear 1 premise but using the TPP model, but do it on their own terms.

It's not like Konami haven't done reboots before either; isn't Lord of Shadows basically a reboot of Castlevania (not played any of those games, so I wouldn't know)? Not saying that went well, of course, it just seems to make more sense to me.
 

Loakum

Banned
I'm not saying they wouldn't do it, I'm saying it would be fucking awful.

Even so, here are the problems I can see right off the bat:

Remaking the old games in Fox Engine... if they just gave them a graphical spruce, the old-style gameplay and difficulty barrier on the controls would certainly put a lot of people off. If they use the more up-to-date model of TPP in the old game's framework, they'd have to redesign them from the ground up or face exactly the same issues as Twin Snakes.

Then there is going back to the linear model of the older games. Many new players who joined with TPP may view that as a huge step back, especially in an age of the gaming arms race, where everything gets exponentially larger ("New bigger maps, more content, more guns!" Etc.).

Now, depending on how easy development is using Fox Engine, it would make more sense to reboot the series and plunder the Kojima mythology for all the good bits without being forcefully tied into a densely packed mythology. They aren't going to be able to replicate Kojima's "voice" so they shouldn't even try, like how the Housers did their own revisionist take on Max Payne rather than try to copy Sam Lake's unique storytelling. Reboot the saga with Metal Gear 1 premise but using the TPP model, but do it on their own terms.

It's not like Konami haven't done reboots before either; isn't Lord of Shadows basically a reboot of Castlevania (not played any of those games, so I wouldn't know)? Not saying that went well, of course, it just seems to make more sense to me.

That's what a remake is, remaking games from the ground up. They will have to modernize the controls. Final Fantasy VII's remake will have to do the same. I feel the remakes will be an better idea than a completely new game without Kojima. Just as you mentioned, look at Castlevania Lords of Shadow with Kojima, and look at Castlevaina LOS2 without Kojima. lol (the sequel was terribad). David Hayter already said he would voice Snake again, if asked by Konami since Kojima is gone. Me personally would LOVE to see the Metal Gear Solid trilogy with the new Fox Engine. I can respect your feeling about this, but it would sell BIGTIME. Which is exactly what Konami wants. :)
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
That's what a remake is, remaking games from the ground up. They will have to modernize the controls. Final Fantasy VII's remake will have to do the same. I feel the remakes will be an better idea than a completely new game without Kojima. Just as you mentioned, look at Castlevania Lords of Shadow with Kojima, and look at Castlevaina LOS2 without Kojima. lol (the sequel was terribad). David Hayter already said he would voice Snake again, if asked by Konami since Kojima is gone. Me personally would LOVE to see the Metal Gear Solid trilogy with the new Fox Engine. I can respect your feeling about this, but it would sell BIGTIME. Which is exactly what Konami wants. :)

Ah, okay. I thought you meant remake as in 'Twin Snakes'. Building it from the ground-up, they may as well just reboot it, then they don't have to contend with the weighty mythology.

I think many would see it as a backwards step for the series if they go back to the linear, single base style of the old games. Like I said, escalation is the name of the game industry these days and, based on the success of TPP, the era of 10 hour long Metal Gear games may well be a thing of the past.
 

Anth0ny

Member
remakes are probably the safest route for konami at this point

or farming it out to other devs to make stuff. I totally expect a metal gear rising 2 at some point.
 
as someone who has never played a Metal Gear Solid game before, who has access to every console/handheld available except xbox one. What would be the recommended way to experience the series?

I see there is a legacy collection available for PS3 that seems to have most everything in it. Would you guys recommend playing through everything in the order it was released? Any of the portable titles worth playing through?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we get some Assassin's Creed style sequel in a year or two that basically plays like MGSV.5. Not necessarily a sequel to the narrative of this game, but definitely something that uses the same gameplay design just with a couple new maps, a handful of new features, and new items/weapons/buddies, etc.

Basically the AC:Brotherhood to this game's AC2. Konami has spent so much money on this game's development and on the fox engine that I'm sure they'd love to use that work to get a second game out for a minimal amount of money and to capitalize on the popularity and goodwill that this game has earned.

as someone who has never played a Metal Gear Solid game before, who has access to every console/handheld available except xbox one. What would be the recommended way to experience the series?

I see there is a legacy collection available for PS3 that seems to have most everything in it. Would you guys recommend playing through everything in the order it was released? Any of the portable titles worth playing through?

Just play 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > Peace Walker. Simple as that. If you can get a good deal on the legacy collection, get that. It might be cheaper though to just buy MGS1 off the PSN Store, buy the HD collection for 2,3, PW, and then buy MGS4 separate.

Don't try to do anything weird like playing them in chronological order. 3 is placed where it is because it goes back in time but builds on information you learn in 1 and 2. I've seen people say to play 3 first, but doing that would be like watching Pulp Fiction in order. The story is meant to jump around.
 

Anth0ny

Member
as someone who has never played a Metal Gear Solid game before, who has access to every console/handheld available except xbox one. What would be the recommended way to experience the series?

I see there is a legacy collection available for PS3 that seems to have most everything in it. Would you guys recommend playing through everything in the order it was released? Any of the portable titles worth playing through?

we really need to make a jpeg or something

this question seems to come up multiple times a day, every day. new "how should I play MGS?" threads are so common.

to answer your question, legacy collection has everything you need besides V. play MGS 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > PW > 5, then Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 when you have time.
 

mf.luder

Member
You guys think Konami is going release DLC? I feel some things are missing from the game.. camos, head options, missions..

Right eh? The only head option I've come across is
the bandana
. Not sure if anything else exists. MGO will be different.
 
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