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[Segata Sanshiro]

The problem isn't so much that what's fashionable today is the only way of doing things or that they're even ideal, so much as it is 'if you're trying to create a game in that same space today, I'd hope you'd at least try and make it competitive and learn from the mistakes of others, else stand on their shoulders'.

I mean, I guess if you consider a nice cohesive world or solid in-game fiction to be a worse standard than the games of yesteryear, what I'm saying falls apart. I'm not talking about how the game is paced on a beat by beat basis so much as I'm taking a more wide-lensed view of the overall design ethic.

(This is no good. I have to think carefully. I know he's not telling the truth, so there must be a contradiction, I just need to find it!)

 

[Snuggles]

(This is no good. I have to think carefully. I know he's not telling the truth, so there must be a contradiction, I just need to find it!)

I wish it was someone not as articulate and agreeable as Rez so it would be easier to figure out how he's wrong.

 

[jman2050]

(This is no good. I have to think carefully. I know he's not telling the truth, so there must be a contradiction, I just need to find it!)

*Jams R on every statement*

 

[Gravijah]

(This is no good. I have to think carefully. I know he's not telling the truth, so there must be a contradiction, I just need to find it!)

YOU CAN DO IT, SEGATA! THINK CAREFULLY!

 

[Deleted member 30609]

(This is no good. I have to think carefully. I know he's not telling the truth, so there must be a contradiction, I just need to find it!)

is it weird that I thought of Phoenix Wright as well while typing that post?

 

[Nemesis_]

Other M is, by any 2010 measurement, poorly designed.

 

[Snuggles]

Lady Gaga is hot.

 

[Gravijah]

Who is that horrible disfigured thing?

 

[Fimbulvetr]

You know, I feel the same way about Metroid Prime, the entire Metal Gear Solid series, modern first person shooters, Mirror's Mehdge, everything from Final Fantasy after 6 (except 9), Smash Bros., Tekken, the entire Tales series, Splinter Cell, Bioware games, and Bethesda games, but the difference is... I'm not crazy enough to ever admit that on GAF.

Sometimes I'm happy that missile killed you.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

YOU CAN DO IT, SEGATA! THINK CAREFULLY!

Gravijah, I'm going to need you to transform into my big-breasteded mentor, whose orders I will carefully follow so as to show my meek subservient male nature.

 

[Boney]

Gravijah, I'm going to need you to transform into my big-breasteded mentor, whose orders I will carefully follow so as to show my meek subservient male nature.

So we're not playing Apollo Justice? Awww

no wait! I see what you did there!!

 

[Gravijah]

Gravijah, I'm going to need you to transform into my big-breasteded mentor, whose orders I will carefully follow so as to show my meek subservient male nature.

Huh, this is like the opposite of Other M!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Gravijah, I'm going to need you to transform into my big-breasteded mentor, whose orders I will carefully follow so as to show my meek subservient male nature.

That's sexist.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

I just want to say (and I'm speaking generally here) that it warms my heart to see fans of the Prime series bemoaning Other M's change in direction. I think we're going to have to engineer a new world's smallest violin using nanotechnology.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Does this mean I win the conversation? Because, let me tell you, my ego is hungry.

 

[jman2050]

Does this mean I win the conversation? Because, let me tell you, my ego is hungry.

You never responded to me, ergo, I win the argument.

 

[Boney]

I just want to say (and I'm speaking generally here) that it warms my heart to see fans of the Prime series bemoaning Other M's change in direction. I think we're going to have to engineer a new world's smallest violin using nanotechnology.

I think both types should exist.

It means more Metroidz for all of us!

 

[Tain]

You know, I feel the same way about Metroid Prime, the entire Metal Gear Solid series, modern first person shooters, Mirror's Mehdge, everything from Final Fantasy after 6 (except 9), Smash Bros., Tekken, the entire Tales series, Splinter Cell, Bioware games, and Bethesda games, but the difference is... I'm not crazy enough to ever admit that on GAF

There's a lot of shit about games I'm scared to say on GAF. :x

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Does this mean I win the conversation? Because, let me tell you, my ego is hungry.

Some are born Rez, some achieve Rez, still others have Rez thrust 'pon them.

 

[Gravijah]

Does this mean I win the conversation? Because, let me tell you, my ego is hungry.

etiolate wins


etiolate always wins

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Some are born Rez, some achieve Rez, still others have Rez thrust 'pon them.

So who is the Olivia of us?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Some are born Rez, some achieve Rez, still others have Rez thrust 'pon them.

Just so we're clear, we're talking about Jame Mielke, right?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

So who is the Olivia of us?

It would have to be Gravijah, I'd think. What with the blatant drag act a few minutes ago and all.

 

[Owzers]

Sure. This game is good.

Metroid Other M fans think their game is good

FFXIII fans think their game is good.

Killzone 2 fans think their game is good

Resistance fans think their game is good

Infamous fans think their game is good

Heavenly Sword fans think their game is good

Halo 3 fans think their game is good

God of War 3 fans think their game is good.


But this monkey knows better.

 

[Gravijah]

It would have to be Gravijah, I'd think. What with the blatant drag act a few minutes ago and all.

-curtsies-

 

[Kard8p3]

etiolate wins


etiolate always wins

Yeah we're out of our element compared to etiolate.

 

[Doorman]

I'd just like to say that this thread is hilarious. Although I'm saddened that it moves too quickly to easily address all points, and sadly I have no basis upon which to argue/discuss anymore because I haven't played the game at all yet. This was easier when almost nobody had the finished product.

 

[Snuggles]

But this monkey knows better.

I started to type up a rebuttal to this post, but I actually said "why bother" out loud and backspaced it.

sadly I have no basis upon which to argue/discuss anymore because I haven't played the game at all yet.

That shouldn't stop you.

 

[Owzers]

I started to type up a rebuttal to this post, but I actually said "why bother" out loud and backspaced it.

I thought about not posting that but went ahead. I should have flipped a coin at the very least. It feels like people are just eating up "okay" games because there aren't as many really great games out there.

 

[Gravijah]

You guys actually think before posting? I just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that particular second.

 

[Boney]

Metroid Other M fans think their game is good

FFXIII fans think their game is good.

Killzone 2 fans think their game is good

Resistance fans think their game is good

Infamous fans think their game is good

Heavenly Sword fans think their game is good

Halo 3 fans think their game is good

God of War 3 fans think their game is good.


But this monkey knows better.

This depressed me. This depressed me a lot. I never knew we'd be in the same position as these

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

You guys actually think before posting? I just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that particular second.

And that's why you're my sidekick!

Anyway, I'm not supposed to burn OTs to the ground, and this thread is getting dangerously close to that, so I'm going to step out for a while and let you guys get back to on-topic arguing about the game.

 

[KevinCow]

I just want to say (and I'm speaking generally here) that it warms my heart to see fans of the Prime series bemoaning Other M's change in direction. I think we're going to have to engineer a new world's smallest violin using nanotechnology.

I thought you hated the Prime games because they don't let you sequence break as much as Super Metroid.

What is your opinion on Other M, which has gone five miles out of its way to force the player down a linear path and made sequence breaking literally impossible?

 

[Snuggles]

I thought about not posting that but went ahead. I should have flipped a coin at the very least. It feels like people are just eating up "okay" games because there aren't as many really great games out there.

Eh, I think there are plenty of great games out there. There always have been great games and shitty games, past gens only look better because we forget all the crap.
The point I would have tried to make is that the people who enjoy those games aren't always just biased fanboys who think it's good because they wanted it to be good, we're not all that stupid. Those people exist but I feel it's possible for someone to enjoy any of those games without being a biased idiot.

 

[Doorman]

That shouldn't stop you.

In some cases that may be true, but it seems like everybody and their mother's credibility when it comes to judging games has been thrown onto the table in here.

Besides, how else should I know which side I'm supposed ally myself with?! D:

 

[Kevtones]

I really love the boss fights so far.


Also, being underwater in this game is f'ing rad.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

I'm gone go play some Metroid: Other M

 

[Snuggles]

I've probably spent more time reading and posting in this thread than I have playing the actual game.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

You guys actually think before posting? I just post whatever the fuck is on my mind at that particular second.

And your posts are still better written than Samus' internal monologues. Of course, the same could be said of the nutrition facts on a cereal box.

I thought you hated the Prime games because they don't let you sequence break as much as Super Metroid.

That's because you don't actually read my posts so much as hear a Charlie Brown grown up voice playing trumpet like in your head to a one dimensional caricature of me. You've never acknowledged the nuance of my opinions on the series, and I don't really expect you to start now.

What is your opinion on Other M, which has gone five miles out of its way to force the player down a linear path and made sequence breaking literally impossible?

I think one of the biggest problems with Other M is how it funnels the player in directions with series of locked doors, and it annoys me that certain ones remain permanently sealed even after you've beaten the game. I have similar gripes with Fusion, and to a lesser extent Echoes.

 

[etiolate]

Nope, not the combat it ain't. It worked remarkably well without getting stale.

whaa

its mash dpad
unleash that charge shot
maybe a missile here
maybe a run up and finish move here

repeat

This is why the epilogue still annoyed me, because the you have to go through that pattern yet again with the power bomb bugs.

The

Spoiler

lava whale

is the best boss because you actually do something different.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

I've probably spent more time reading and posting in this thread than I have playing the actual game.

Welcome to GAF.

 

[Kevtones]

Is it weird I really like switching viewpoints? I think it works great.

 

[Boney]

whaa

its mash dpad
unleash that charge shot
maybe a missile here
maybe a run up and finish move here

repeat

This is why the epilogue still annoyed me, because the you have to go through that pattern yet again with the power bomb bugs.

The

Spoiler

lava whale

is the best boss because you actually do something different.

You're out of your element

 

[Doorman]

Is it weird I really like switching viewpoints? I think it works great.

Obviously it means that your taste is terrible and you're only fooling yourself into liking the game.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Is it weird I really like switching viewpoints? I think it works great.

I really like it too.

 

[Kevtones]

I don't get frustrated, I just get anxious. I think it totally heightens the tension and it makes those crucial shots actually feel crucial.


Also, I'm finding the combat to be quite elegant. It's not particularly deep, but it's well presented and it definitely rewards you for making the right choices.

 

[etiolate]

The thing with 3rd person/1st person is that it reminds you of the limits of the game, that you're playing a game and disconnects you from the story/illusion. Considering how much emphasis is put on story, thats a big design flaw.

Also, it can get annoying in battle.

 

[TheShampion]

Once I'm Emperor everyone's favourite food will be curry rice or face the wrath of the Crotchetizer!

In the end, at least Mr. Sanshiro and I at least agree on something important. Curry rice rules over all.

 

[Kevtones]

The thing with 3rd person/1st person is that it reminds you of the limits of the game, that you're playing a game and disconnects you from the story/illusion. Considering how much emphasis is put on story, thats a big design flaw.

Eh, only if you let it. You can nitpick stuff like that in just about any game. Immersion is about the player adapting to what's communicated to them and I think the same is true for this game.

 

[mentalfloss]

This depressed me. This depressed me a lot. I never knew we'd be in the same position as these

For the love of everything, there's no way we are as bad as the KZ2 lunatics.