We need a Metroid timeline with three branches to clear this up.
Metroid: Samus Returns' Ending Teases the Future of Metroid (MASSIVE SPOILERS)
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We need a Metroid timeline with three branches to clear this up.
No, he said they are part of the same universe but they are telling a different story, which is true.
Or just Retcon Other M lol...
Pilgrimzero
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Where does Prime fit in the timeline? Before the original Metroid?
Freeza Under The Shower
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I always assumed that was what Dread was going to be in concept: a dark Samus type Chozo with the ability to make more metroids and have a mother brain in tow because why not (since Super Metroid lore claimed they made that one too).
As for the OP: there is one thing you seem to be missing on the second to last picture, and that is that the leaders of the metroid creation program seem to be kneeling / pleading, and dead in the last picture. So "polite argument" it was not.
It's also not altogether impossible
that the killer isn't actually a Chozo itself, but a successful infiltration by X-parasites instead. SA-X had some degree of Samus's intelligence regardless of being a soulless mimic, an X-Chozo might retain enough of it to be able to fool detection. Boop. But simply not being able to resist temptation is more likely.
If this is a renegade faction, I don't know what tech they would have but the schism between warriors and scientists would, I'd think, actually leave them behind. Potentially very old Chozo tech which was, ages ago, what ruled their Empire but Samus' suit (in general and) by/post Fusion is well beyond that of anything old Chozo. She's got tech from the Science Lords of Bryyo to Luminoth tech to ancient Chozo tech to modern Chozo tech to an evolved (SA-X + Metroid) power suit by the end of Fusion.
But I'd sooner be more concerned about Samus vs. an older breed of Chozo warrior. Samus is from the same pool of bioengineering as the Metroid's (ie. pinnacle of Chozo technology as we know of it). She's a cross-species supersoldier with the DNA of an effectively legendary Chozo warrior, raised by the Chozo and MB, and sporting a body count of multiple planets, a space station, the entirety of the space pirate race/society/everything. Who knows what Phazon did to her body but she was also able to withstand that *stuff* even as she delved into multiple leviathan seeds and got drenched in it repeatedly.
Doesn't generally seem fair to compare her to any single warrior, hah. She's more of a natural disaster.
TheDinoman
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(final boss spoilers)
Did you see the Ridley boss fight in this game?
He's partially Meta Ridley. They actually offer an explanation to why he goes back to looking normal in Super after being a cyborg in the Prime games. Prime is still canon.
He's partially Meta Ridley. They actually offer an explanation to why he goes back to looking normal in Super after being a cyborg in the Prime games. Prime is still canon.
SargerusBR
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Have they confirmed if Sylux is
Samus's brother?
lol I thought the sarcasm would be obvious.
I've never heard this theory. Is there any evidence backing it up?
You mean sibling, not brother. Sylux is never gendered.
none whatsoever
Maybe Metroid Prime 4 will shine light upon this now that
!
What? Where did that come from?
Dark Samus is finally gone for good -- for real this time
What? Where did that come from?
Haha, thanks.
Anyway, I'm totally down for Metroid: Skyfall, where Samus lures her Federation pursuers back to her home world, where she'll have the drop on them, only to discover that the Chozo... have changed.
Lord_Byron28
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I was wrong that he said alternate universe. This is what he said:
https://www.engadget.com/2010/03/12/interview-metroid-other-m-producer-yoshio-sakamoto/
So not an alternate universe but in a timeline parallel to the 2D Metroids. Rather confusing wording to be honest.
Well according to the below post it thankfully seems like they are blending the Prime series into the mainline one.
Thanks for the info. Although you could've given some context to the spoilers. Granted I don't really care about spoilers for a Metroid 2 Remake which is why I'm in this thread.
I get that possibility but I really think it would be dumb to leave that knowledge behind when it could be used to make great killing tools. Why wouldn't they let a few live and have them continue their research at gunpoint?
Yeah, Samus is pretty busted on her own. But she has a lot of DNA/Phazon in her like you said. What if there was a way to make that breakdown? I like how fusion gave her the metroid's weakness based on their DNA. Maybe there could be a nother weakness exploit like that?
I really want to have a bad guy that could fight her on equal footing, without it being a parasite or generic dark form with super powers.
When he says "parallel in this world" I think he means the two story arcs coexist in the same universe, but they really don't influence each other.
I mean, I have a life as a student and a life as a poster here on gaf. The two are "parallel in this world" but they are part of the same universe and timeline
Tanabe as late as Federation Force announcement confirmed that the Prime series still takes place between I and II.
Freeza Under The Shower
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My meter breaks sometimes. I actually thought about deleting that part but then posted it anyway.
But on a different matter: how do any of you know who the f this 'Sylux' is when Prime 3 said nothing about it?
edit: and yes, Prime is very obviously made canon by this remake.
Star Orpheus
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They could try something else? Shake up the formula?
I know that's a scary thought for some people after Other M and Federation Force but I don't think it should be written off.
I'm not saying ditch the original style completely but if other Nintendo properties can branch out and successfully try new things I don't see why Metroid can't.
At least maybe an action spin off to rap up the rogue Samus story Fusion set up.
Jawmuncher
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Hopefully the future of metroid means Samus will keep her powers from the beginning.
Regardless the tease here is an interesting one.
Regardless the tease here is an interesting one.
Frankenstrat
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No plans to pick up a 3ds but this is awesome. Glad to see possible positive directions forward for one of the best sci-fi series out there.
Make it kinda like BotW where you are given the major tools at the start and the only upgrades are ammo and armor? And the only thing keeping you from exploreing is your own ingenuity rather than not having the right power up yet?
I think I can get behind this.
Jawmuncher
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As far as I know that comes from the Prime 3 ending where Sylux's ship is seen chasing Samus mixed with the interview where Tanabe says that he wants to explore the connection between Samus and Sylux in the future
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Man I really really hope this ends up being the subject of Prime 4, that is a series I have been absolutely dying to revisit
Astral Dog
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Damn Spoilers on the TITLE, i wanted a surprise ending whatever it is
ElectricBlanketFire
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I love Metroid you guys.
GAME IN A FRANCHIZE SETS UP A SEQUEL WITH IT'S ENDING should not be shocking to you
User 73706
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Having a Chozo villain would actually be kind of refreshing, considering they've been propped up as a universally benevolent presence this whole time - in the games, anyway. Plus, you could end up with a Halo situation where everyone hates each other and is on a different side - Samus, Sylux, GF, Chozo, and your usual baddies like Space Pirates.
Maybe Metroid V is going to go with a "five sides to every story"-type angle?
Maybe Metroid V is going to go with a "five sides to every story"-type angle?
Mr. Smiley
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this excites me for the sole purpose that a game after Fusion might actually happen
I just hope they don't retcon all the hints in previous games that the Chozo became so advanced that they were able to transcend physical forms. The implication of that made the Chozo parts of Talon IV so much more intriguing
The sense of progression would be hurt. At least, that's how I felt in A Link Between Worlds, since you could just rent nearly everything early on and just not die (or reload a hard save). There is an arguable joy in retreading old areas to use new items and get loot.
And it's also one of the complaints I see about BotW.
I mean they can all still exist in various forms. Nothing stopped that with the whole ancients thing in Stargate series for example. Some could still be alive, some could have ascended from reaching a higher state of being, others could be hiding and be tyrannical.
As far as I know that comes from the Prime 3 ending where Sylux's ship is seen chasing Samus mixed with the interview where Tanabe says that he wants to explore the connection between Samus and Sylux in the future
Man I really really hope this ends up being the subject of Prime 4, that is a series I have been absolutely dying to revisit
That... has nothing to do with what they said though? Yes, Prime 4 is almost definitely the Sylux story as teased in Federation Force, but they're talking about them being siblings which is not supported by anything so far.
Boss Doggie
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
He's too big for a slingshot
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
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This is giving me Didact flashbacks.
But in all seriousness military Chozo faction is a great idea. I still really want a "Federation chases down Samus" game after Fusion.
And god, not every franchise needs a BoTW. I get that losing powerups all the time is fucking lame, but the progression of getting new abilities to explore old areas is one of the reasons I love Metroid. Handing you all the tools in the beginning of the game defeats the purpose to me.
The chozo that kills all of the survivors isn't in any of the previous scenes. He's likely the leader of a rescue party. I know the red is ominous, but it's possible that he killed them in case one or all of them turned out to be an X doppelganger.
In all of the supplementary mangas and comics that Sakamoto has played hand with the Chozo aren't gone. In the 2004 manga, a group of Chozo led by Old Bird escape Zebes before it is captured, and in the Super Metroid Comic from 1994 Samus goes to see Old Bird at the Chozo's hiding place: The Nest. Although neither are 100% canon, Sakamoto lifts parts from them as canon. Old Bird appears in Zero Mission and Fusion.
There is another thing. In the 2004 manga, Zebes is invaded before the Metroid project is complete. The coup on Zebes happened while this stuff was going on on SR388, and the Chozo that arrived to greet them as they tried to escape the horrors below the surface are loyal to Mother Brain.
In all of the supplementary mangas and comics that Sakamoto has played hand with the Chozo aren't gone. In the 2004 manga, a group of Chozo led by Old Bird escape Zebes before it is captured, and in the Super Metroid Comic from 1994 Samus goes to see Old Bird at the Chozo's hiding place: The Nest. Although neither are 100% canon, Sakamoto lifts parts from them as canon. Old Bird appears in Zero Mission and Fusion.
There is another thing. In the 2004 manga, Zebes is invaded before the Metroid project is complete. The coup on Zebes happened while this stuff was going on on SR388, and the Chozo that arrived to greet them as they tried to escape the horrors below the surface are loyal to Mother Brain.
Will they address that in Prime 4? and if so, does that mean Prime 4 will be before Super?
I hope that the evil Chozo is actually still on the loose and everything happens after Fusion. And while we are talking about Fusion, will they change the Fusion Suit? I mean it basically destroyed Samus' iconic silhouette.
I hope that the evil Chozo is actually still on the loose and everything happens after Fusion. And while we are talking about Fusion, will they change the Fusion Suit? I mean it basically destroyed Samus' iconic silhouette.
This is why we need XaMusCeption, as per my earlier post. Ninty can get Tom Hardy to voice Adam, as he helps encourage Samus-cite to mutate bigger, and upgrade her Missiles to Sling-Beam.
God knows Samus Returns Samus is very nearly halfway there, with her gangly, awkward gait. All she will need is Freeze Fried Chozos, and it will be a wrap.
And still better than Other M.
All of the Prime series happens between Zero Mission and Samus Returns.
She's free of Phazon, it was neutralized when she destroyed Dark Samus/Metroid Prime and the Aurora Unit. As was her Metroid-element when she merged with the SA-X. If anything, she's now just the *good* parts of X/Metroid since their weaknesses are gone as of Fusion (Metroids/Ice, respectively). Its kind of hard to say *what* she is by the end of Fusion because at that point she's Human + Chozo + Metroid + X, by the end of Metroid 5 I wouldn't be surprised if she's part-Ridley.
There *are* bad guys that fight her on equal footing. The thing is they are usually much larger than she is or empowered in some fashion (Ridley, Craid, Quadraxis, Ing Emperor, Metroid Prime, Omega and Queen Metroids, etc).
Within the lore-universe of Metroid, I don't think anything on her scale can actually pose much of a threat to her. Consider that her most dangerous enemy was herself be that Dark Samus or SA-X, the bounty hunters she runs across in the Hunters or Prime 3 are easily dispatched by her even when they are empowered and corrupted by Dark Samus+Phazon. The shadow-bad guy for Prime of Sylux doesn't even dare fight her directly.
That said, we've never seen a Chozo warrior in their prime in the series, so maybe they actually would pose a threat to her. But then these same warriors failed to deal with the Metroids, and she (in this very game) re-enacts Terminator 1 on 40-some Sarah Connors.
Labrynian Rebel
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The funny thing is that back on the forums during the early days of AM2R a lot of fans wanted him to add "a scene with X parasites" or to add "a Ridley boss fight" but the developer thought that was taking too much liberty with the original game.
Mildly amusing that the official remake added exactly what the fans wanted.
Also that Chozo art depicting the history of SR388 is amazing.
Mildly amusing that the official remake added exactly what the fans wanted.
Also that Chozo art depicting the history of SR388 is amazing.
I meant more in the sense that the tease of there being a connection between them is what sparked off the theory of a familial relationship