Dick Justice
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Only condescension around here has been the people in a fucking bubble who did nothing but talk down to anyone who didn't jump on the hype train of an unelectable candidate.
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Michael Moore: Morning After To-Do List:
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Well you did real good but only one problem. Nothing is going to burn down, all you are doing is throwing a tantrum that no one is going to remember anyway. Screaming burn everything down isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
cj_iwakura
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He's saying that such strategies are the nature of the beast. It has to be done, or Trump will run rampant. It's the only hope Democrats have.
Make it a populist party. Make it all (or close) about economics. Criticize the Republicans on their policy, on how shitty their tax plans are and just how bad their foreign policy is. Kick the old guard out.
The second they cave in wanting to work across the Isle while Paul Ryan fucking the poor over they have lost. It's time to grow a pair.
The second they cave in wanting to work across the Isle while Paul Ryan fucking the poor over they have lost. It's time to grow a pair.
Mahadev
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My yard is also on fire, I just don't give a fuck anymore.
Yes, I'm sure Trump will be a rational and smart president that will ensure stability in an already divided and crumbling society. In no way will he make the situation much worse.
CountAntonius
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Is this 100% accurate? cause damn...
Nikodemos
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Yeah, stop trying to go high. Going high only gets you punched in the balls.
KuwabaraTheMan
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We need to obstruct their attempts to kill the ACA, to defund Planned Parenthood, and everything else they're going to do. We know what monsters they are. We have to do whatever we can to block them.
Not to the point you are envisioning. You think because he has gotten elected that means a great era of redemption will automatically follow when people see the error of their ways? People by nature don't do that, all it does it make the little victories that much longer and further apart.
ReadingRambo
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Then you've learned nothing.
She smoked him in Florida, PA, NC, and VA. He only won Michigan by one percent.
Mahadev
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I think they're fucked whether they see the error of their ways or not. I think the Clinton dynasty and most of the snakes inside the Democratic party are done. Either that will happen or the Democratic party will fracture. I also think that no one will take mass media or the hypocritical Hollywood elites seriously again for a long long time.
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
Interesting. For such a "fucking idiot" he seemed to understand what was going on a hell of a lot more than "Yasss queen"-gaf.
cj_iwakura
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She beat him in the primaries. But he would have won over the middle ground voters.
KillerMan91
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Oh. Well then it would have depended on how many Clinton voters would have bothered to vote Sanders and could he had stolen more Trump voters compared Clinton. I guess probably not but speculation is always so fun.. =P
eyeball_kid
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I haven't been a big fan of Moore in a long time, but I can't say I disagree with much of this. The DNC needs a thorough house-cleaning.
The Democratic primary does not relate to the general. Bernie was always ahead of Clinton in the predictions on national election. He was tapping into the same left-behind populism that Trump tapped into, he just offered a mostly different path. Bernie also probably would've captured most of the Stein vote.
The Democratic primary does not relate to the general. Bernie was always ahead of Clinton in the predictions on national election. He was tapping into the same left-behind populism that Trump tapped into, he just offered a mostly different path. Bernie also probably would've captured most of the Stein vote.
Flying Toaster
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Where were her votes yesterday?
KuwabaraTheMan
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I think Sanders could have won Michigan and Wisconsin. I doubt he could win Pennsylvania.
So the question of if he could win really comes down to if he could have gotten slightly better turn out from the college communities in North Carolina while not losing any of Clinton's coalition. He might have had a better shot than Clinton, but some things still needed to go right.
cj_iwakura
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It's very telling to see that the third party vote made up the difference. Had Hillary gotten them, she'd have won.
This is something a lot of people still don't understand. 30 million Democrats choosing between two Dem candidates in a primary is a hell of a lot different from 110 million Americans choosing between a Democrat and a Republican in the GE. All of those Dem voters from the Primary would have fallen in line behind Sanders. What was up for grabs were the undecideds and the "fuck the establishment" people. We now see where they went.
eyeball_kid
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But also pretty telling about the apathy of Democratic voters, when you compare turnout versus the last two Obama elections. It should have never come down to a 3rd party spoiler.
Gotta say, he nailed it.
The DNC would imo be smart to bring him on board a an advisor for the Mid west / Rut Belt strategy. And not jut to pay lip service, but to implement actual policy.
I feel lack of l a high level of passion is what did the dems in . Now you generate that with anger (eg against GOP and their soon to be super bad policies and try to stop that . The GOP did the worse to obamas many sensible initiatives) or with demands for lots of change (eg berniewarren) or you hope that someone like Obama comes along again soon who can keep it cool and still inspire ppl and make ppl,admire and respect him while disagreeing also (IMO this is quite unlikely speakers like Obama are rare . He's done and I'm pretty sure Michelle isn't going to run .. Probably the only one I've seen on the current scene who is in his league oratory wise)
Yeah they should.
Carnby
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Y'all gonna be miserable for the next four years and shout down any one who disagrees with you? which is exactly how we got where we are today. How's that echo chamber working out for you?
Squirrel Killer
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False. Period. Fact.Michael Moore said:
A plurality of voting Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred a everythingist dumpster fire, a wacky stoner, a New Age anti-vaxxer, Super Mormon, or some other dipshit to Hillary Clinton.
LincolnSixEcho
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Wow, he really did see it coming, down to the details. First time I'm reading this.
I guess one good takeaway for the future is that the Dems now know they can't take their traditional states for granted
You can make the argument other ways too and IMO a wacky stoner a super Mormon etc being picked over the dumpster fire bodes perfectly fine . Hillary didn't pull it off with the full force of obamas Bernie bill warren and more money a better organisation etc etc ... Yes she had a past smear campaign but she also had so many positive factors apart from just her own competency . Still didn't make it . Which is worth thinking over . Although I am for as much blocking of crap legislation (not good those are fine but I sense a lot of crap coming the way Donald works) and then seats in 2018 / 2020 etc
This is an absolutely fantastic idea, but I know it will never happen.
LincolnSixEcho
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Yep. I've withheld opinions before because I don't want to be banned here for expressing them, even in a respectful way.
Still, I'm just saddened and angry right now. The greatest country on Earth elected a demagogue. Our very own Duterte
I had but it was quite a while back when we hadn't even seen the post rnc bump iirc you know when everyone was like this is going to be a super cakewalk .and I had personally not paid much heed back then . But have to give it to him guy saw it coming
Zantetsuken
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Gotta say I agree with most of those points.
He absolutely nailed it. How did no one else in the Democratic Party saw this coming?
GoldenEye 007
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Just read this too.
For 1, I think the issue is more about technology and robotics. Nothing was going to stop globalism either and the notion of an isolationist USA just doesn't make much sense in the modern world. Even though I think we are in too many places globally. But of course he's 100% right because NAFTA/trade deals is an easy boogeyman. And Trump was able to hang Hillary with it. - warranted or not. Riled up his supporters and that's all that was needed.
2 is spot on.
3 I kind of get, but Trump was more unpopular. His point stands overall.
4 and 5 I really can't argue with.
Slap this shit into every email inbox of the DNC, print it out, mail it, make them notice this new political reality.
Mechanized
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Michael is right. People should be fucking pissed, this should light a goddamn fire under your ass. Stop fucking settling and demand more. The media was absolutely complicit in the election of Donald Trump, they don't have the fucking right to talk about healing and coming together and all this bullshit. Those toothless fucks are part of the problem.
Theres no denying Moore got it right. I wont refuse to listen when he fucking called it 100%. Some of you need to get over yourselves. He absolutely nailed it.
I agree that the DNC has to change, as long as they don't teeter into demagoguery . Demagoguery might not be the word Im looking for; but I strongly dislike when people and especially politicians promise and campaign on things they arent even certain that they themselves have a plan for, or could implement. This absolutely torched Sanders in my eyes; and I won't enjoy it coming from any politician period.
They start that false promise and applause line shit and Im jumping overboard.
I agree that the DNC has to change, as long as they don't teeter into demagoguery . Demagoguery might not be the word Im looking for; but I strongly dislike when people and especially politicians promise and campaign on things they arent even certain that they themselves have a plan for, or could implement. This absolutely torched Sanders in my eyes; and I won't enjoy it coming from any politician period.
They start that false promise and applause line shit and Im jumping overboard.
This is VERY important.Enough of the dumb "we're respectful and we work across the aisle" strategy. It got the Democrats nowhere. And now it's going to kill any hope of lasting progress for however long Trump's SCOTUS appointees last.
This country proved it doesn't give the slightest shit about substance. They want hate and they want anger. Well, fucking give them that.
We thought the GOP and everything the alt-right that dominated the party was about crumble, but would you look at that, they're about to get everything they want. If the Democrats want to be relevant ever again, they better prevent that from happening.
I want Dems to get loudconfident and loud, that's what this country wants. Use every dirty trick the Republicans have ever used, obstruct shamelessly and keep shouting that the GOP can't get anything done. Keep hitting them with every scandal you can get your hands on. Build and groom the fuck out of candidates all over the country, in every state. I want the most aggressive campaign to retake every branch of government in history.
Anything less is unacceptable.
Tye The Czar
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PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, handing Trump and the Right an open Supreme Court seat with potentially three more they could fill (as of now) without much resistance with far right judges because you're mad the candidate sucks (and Hillary did suck) was a great call for you and everyone else who felt the same thing.
As someone in Michigan who voted third party in every presidential election I've been able to vote in until yesterday, as much as I hated it I swallowed my fucking pride and voted for Hillary because there's more important shit at stake, this was really the wrong fucking election to decide to vote third party or sit out in protest. This country's highest court could be locked into the Right with for another 20 years if not more because of it.
I think it's important to remember that Sanders was down 20+% in the polls leading up to Michigan but still ended up winning.
If only liberals spent half as much time being involved in the Democratic grassroots than they are being smug and self-righteous on Twitter and Facebook, maybe things will change.
Not hopeful, though.
Throwing out a quippy, condescending tweet takes a few seconds and gives you immediate self-satisfaction. Being on the Democrats' asses and demanding better from them takes work.
Not hopeful, though.
Throwing out a quippy, condescending tweet takes a few seconds and gives you immediate self-satisfaction. Being on the Democrats' asses and demanding better from them takes work.
Squirrel Killer
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I'm completely fine with reverse argument that the majority of our fellow Americans preferred a establishment candidate with absurdly high unfavorable ratings, a wacky stoner, a New Age anti-vaxxer, Super Mormon, or some other dipshit to Donald Trump. That's probably because I don't think first past the post is a good way to pick the president.
Mahadev
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There will always be potential Supreme Court seats to fill. This logic which is basically an endless loop allowed these scumbags to sell the Democratic party to the highest bidder.
Sorry, nope, my position, like the position of many others apparently, is unwavering. Let the motherfucker burn, I'm fucking done. My anger isn't baseless, it's based on many years of getting screwed by a rigged political system that is being supported by corporate propaganda of rich fucks telling us which should be our priorities, what we should be angry at and what we should definitely ignore because it's totally not important. One of those mass media talking points is the Supreme Court seats which I hear about in every goddamn election. Every single one.
As someone not from America, is this true: "And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot." Taken from the site.
Well shit
ElectricThunder
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Vague flashbacks of every Moore thread for the last great while flash before me, except for only the most recent snippets where he legit fumbled hard on a desperate point on Twitter about women and him and Maher, instead of going back to these salient posts of his, fell into yet another desperate trap on Clinton: Just Deal With It and inscrutably absolving Bush and the rest of the GOP contenders as now being OK in a last minute bid to scare stir folks against Trump. Moore's problem, his real one, tends to be desperation at various tipping points getting passed where his aims go up in smoke but he can't manage to let go---it happened with Obama, now Clinton after the primaries, and I have a hard time seeing where he goes from here save digging in.
He even had his Trumpland mini-movie land just recently here, which I think is supposed to be some sort of optimistic lampooning of Trump and generally hopeful from what little I've heard?
He even had his Trumpland mini-movie land just recently here, which I think is supposed to be some sort of optimistic lampooning of Trump and generally hopeful from what little I've heard?
Chiggs
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Hahaha! Awesome. You have to wonder who the hell he is even writing this for...and of course the answer is himself.
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