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[ThoseDeafMutes]

He's one of the few who accurately predicted that Trump would win, and he explained precisely why, on several occasions.

Many people understood and agreed on what the source of Trump's popularity was, yet did not predict that he would win, because polling consistency indicated that he would not.

 

[Dyson Industries]

Don't edit my quotes.

He's not wrong, though.

 

[Astaleview]

Fly over states matter. Everyone matters. Next Dem to run has to go to all the red states with a authentic message. Not calculation. Polls are done. People need to be spoken to directly.

 

[Nelo Ice]

I will not be satisfied until the Democratic Party becomes a complete and utter wall to this presidency and senate and house and makes it fucking impossible for them to do a goddam thing.

Fuck working together. Republicans refuse to work together with Democrats and continuously for 8 years were petty immature and shitty babies, and all Democrats do is fucking ask for unity and pulling together?

I don't want unity. I want you to scorch the fucking earth.

Yeah at this point fuck when they go low we go high. We need to match and fight fire with fire.

 

[the_sun_king]

3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn't wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.

This so much.

 

[AtlantiC_CodeX]

It's ironic how the media was talking all this time about how the gop collapsed while it was the dnc who's collapsing.

I admire Michael Moore's resolve and how he actually cares and tries in time of defeat.

 

[Toth]

#5 is interesting to keep in mind--not to bleat in people's faces, as he suggests, but more of an affirmation. It's easy to forget that by sheer raw numbers, Americans preferred Clinton's message to Trump's.

Obviously, that's not enough to win the election. But it counts for something.

It's not that big of a gap though between the two. He shouldn't act like it was something monumental when it looks like barely a difference of 200k votes.

 

[Jenov]

The man called this election perfectly. He deserves some respect for that.

A truly humbling write up to read now after the election is over Wow. +1 to Moore. Everyone should read that.

 

[ErasureAcer]

As someone who agrees with Moore already on just about everything(in particular we need to be Europe, see Where To Invade Next). Glad to hear my voice getting traction(via Moore) in its own thread.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Yes, Clinton won the popular vote... but barely.

Let's get real. With the two options available, the split should not be nearly 50/50.

The fact that she just edged him out isn't something to cheer about.

It's all we've got man.

 

[ipukespiders]

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: "HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump.

Such baloney.

He needed the electoral vote to win and he did. If the game had changed he would have changed how he campaigned. There is no reason to try to win the popular vote when it doesn't win the game.

 

[cj_iwakura]

No lies detected. Always had a lot of respect for Moore, and that still holds.

 

[jabuseika]

The man called this election perfectly. He deserves some respect for that.

He was right, because he was on the ground, talking to people.

...while everyone in the Democratic Party was looking at polls.

 

[Nikodemos]

Many people understood and agreed on what the source of Trump's popularity was, yet did not predict that he would win, because polling consistency indicated that he would not.

But that's the thing. Unlike most, he repeatedly stated that yes, Martha, Trump is going to win come November, and the time to attempt stopping him is a couple years past date. Most people thought him a professional excessive pessimist.

It's not that big of a gap though between the two. He shouldn't act like it was something monumental when it looks like barely a difference of 200k votes.

She would've won a lot more of the popular vote had the Voting Rights Act not been gutted and anti-voter laws been emplaced in many states.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

have there been any studies into the likely dem/rep split should the the electoral system be abolished and it was all one person one vote; are there more republican voters in safe republican states who don't bother voting than there are democrats in safe democrat states?

pointing to the popular vote in a system that spits in the face of the popular vote seems potentially misleading. without the electoral system the popular vote would look completely different, but to whose advantage?

Yeah, I've been curious about this as well.

 

[echoshifting]

Yes, Clinton won the popular vote... but barely.

Let's get real. With the two options available, the split should not be nearly 50/50.

The fact that she just edged him out isn't something to cheer about.

Yeah, I completely agree. A couple of percentage points difference is meaningless given everything on the table.

 

[human5892]

It's not that big of a gap though between the two. He shouldn't act like it was something monumental when it looks like barely a difference of 200k votes.

I hear you. But I think it's easy to look at the electoral college votes and get into the mindset that the country overwhelmingly supports Trump's point of view. In reality, it's a very even split (leaning towards the left).

I disagree with Moore that the popular vote should be some sort of debate starter, but I would keep it in mind as we consider what the populace actually wants from government.

 

[Averon]

Now that the liberal echo chamber was shattered into millions of pieces last night, and the realization of what we're dealing with over the next 4 years sink in, maybe people will actually read this and take it seriously and not smugly ignore it.

 

[cj_iwakura]

It's ironic how the media was talking all this time about how the gop collapsed while it was the dnc who's collapsing.

I admire Michael Moore's resolve and how he actually cares and tries in time of defeat.

That's when he's strongest.

 

[PnCIa]

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: "HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he's president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we'll continue to have presidents we didn't elect and didn't want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there's climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don't want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the "liberal" position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above).

The whole electoral college thing strikes me as super weird as a non US-citizen. Why is it still a thing?

 

[quesalupa]

He's right.

 

[ginger ninja]

MIchael Moore is a fucking idiot.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn't wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.

I seriously hope many Democrats are mailing their Congressmen and women to demand the same degree of obstructionism in a Trump presidency than it was in Obama's. Start filibustering everything. After the Trump University case, if found guilty, I hope they call for impeachment and all. See how the Republicans react. To hell if it's petty. Taking the high road did not help Dems.

 

[Squalor]

The whole electoral college thing strikes me as super weird as a non US-citizen. Why is it still a thing?

Americans don't like actual change that takes effort and understanding.

This country also loves "traditions" and bowing to rules set forever ago despite how different the world is at present.

 

[ratcliffja]

I seriously hope many Democrats are mailing their Congressmen and women to demand the same degree of obstructionism in a Trump presidency than it was in Obama's. After the Trump University case, if found guilty, I hope they call for impeachment and all. See how the Republicans react. To hell if it's petty. Taking the high road did not help Dems.

As I've said many times, I think a Pence presidency would be just as damaging if not more so than a Trump presidency. We probably don't want him impeached.

Edit: Eliminating the electoral college means that the presidential race would move from battleground states to battleground cities. Urban areas would have a disproportionate amount of focus for campaigning. It's certainly not a no-brainer to switch, as both have their positives and negatives.

 

[Vilix]

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: "HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump.

In response people should reply "By only 100,000 out of almost 60 million." I mean it's almost insignificant.

 

[Miletius]

The man called this election perfectly. He deserves some respect for that.

I've read it before, but it's worth reading again. He's spot on in every single point he makes, from the rust belt states to the depressed turnout (which is becoming apparent from the aftermath). If only one thing can be said about Moore is that he knows his people perhaps better than anybody else in the world.

I don't always agree with Micheal Moore, but he was 100 percent right about the election.

 

[Speevy]

The whole electoral college thing strikes me as super weird as a non US-citizen. Why is it still a thing?

Because the raw numbers coming out of these elections in the popular vote would be contested for days until we figured out a more efficient way for counting them.

 

[JustenP88]

MIchael Moore is a fucking idiot.

He's been right on the money for being such a fucking idiot.

We always get one or two of you clowns coming in here shitposting in his threads.

I seriously hope many Democrats are mailing their Congressmen and women to demand the same degree of obstructionism in a Trump presidency than it was in Obama's. Start filibustering everything. After the Trump University case, if found guilty, I hope they call for impeachment and all. See how the Republicans react. To hell if it's petty. Taking the high road did not help Dems.

Democrats absolutely need to fight like dogs to obstruct. But... what can they really do? Republicans control the executive and legislative branches of government and they're going to be whittling down the judicial as well.

 

[BSsBrolly]

In response people should reply "By only 100,000 out of almost 60 million." I mean it's almost insignificant.

Not when trump won states by less than 20k votes...

 

[AlimNassor]

We lost the Senate. Hillary's victory would have been meaningless. with the shitstorm heading her way.

 

[AtlantiC_CodeX]

The whole electoral college thing strikes me as super weird as a non US-citizen. Why is it still a thing?

Cause it makes it easier to manipulate the outcome, someway the senate change the boundaries of their districts so so that their demographics gets an edge and they get reelected.

As I've said many times, I think a Pence presidency would be just as damaging if not more so than a Trump presidency. We probably don't want him impeached.

Odds are it's the bush-cheney all over again, trump's the figure, Pence running things.

 

[Maxinas]

MIchael Moore is a fucking idiot.

Because he said the truth, or because he isn't crying on twitter like a ton of people are because the orange man won?

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Holy shit. He is right on.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

It wasn't until this year that I realized how absolutely fucked up the US voting system is.

How can you guys not elect based on the amount of overall votes a candidate receives? How has this system not been abolished?

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

In response people should reply "By only 100,000 out of almost 60 million." I mean it's almost insignificant.

What kind of logic is that? What number makes it valid to you? 500k? 1 million?

 

[Fox Mulder]

I will not be satisfied until the Democratic Party becomes a complete and utter wall to this presidency and senate and house and makes it fucking impossible for them to do a goddam thing.

Fuck working together. Republicans refuse to work together with Democrats and continuously for 8 years were petty immature and shitty babies, and all Democrats do is fucking ask for unity and pulling together?

I don't want unity. I want you to scorch the fucking earth.

If we vote, we win. The demographics are facts and they suppress votes for a reason.

I'm never missing another midterm the rest of my life. We can drive these deplorables down to irrelevancy if we actually vote and have candidates that aren't like the clintons.

 

[CrazedProfessional]

So is Trump smarter than he looks? Gaf was telling me Clinton had the GOTV ground game and Trump didn't.

 

[Hitman]

I was always confused and surprised as to the hate Moore gets around these boards. Seems like a well-meaning and intelligent guy, which you would think GAF would eat up.

I agree with him on all point. I watched his "where to invade next" doc, and although boring it illuminated just how fucked up the US really is and how far they really are from best country on earth.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

The whole electoral college thing strikes me as super weird as a non US-citizen. Why is it still a thing?

I thinks it because before computers, it was too hard for us Americans to count high quantities.

 

[Obliterator]

To be perfectly frank his point number 4 is the most important here. Democrats need to realize Trump didn't just win on the back of sexism and racism. It was an element but there is much more to it than that. A major factor was him speaking to the hurting people in this country that used to be what we referred to as the middle class.

Its easy to just write it off as that, as it takes any ownership off of their own party, but Democrats really left a lot of people feeling stranded and Trump came in with his rhetoric and scooped them up.

Democrats need to be boots on the ground, finding out what is going on in these peoples lives, and how to help them next election. Moore called all of this beautifully as he was out there, not in a "liberal" bubble and actually talking with people. He could see how hurt many in the country felt about the gov't and wanted a time bomb (Trump) to blow it all up.

 

[Hitman]

MIchael Moore is a fucking idiot.

Explain why please. Genuinely interested in knowing why you have formed this opinion. Not saying you are wrong, just want to see your perspective.

 

[Toth]

I hear you. But I think it's easy to look at the electoral college votes and get into the mindset that the country overwhelmingly supports Trump's point of view. In reality, it's a very even split (leaning towards the left).

I disagree with Moore that the popular vote should be some sort of debate starter, but I would keep it in mind as we consider what the populace actually wants from government.

I agree with you 100%. The country is VERY divided and even more so when it comes to the coasts vs. the heartlands.

 

[jabuseika]

I was always confused and surprised as to the hate Moore gets around these boards. Seems like a well-meaning and intelligent guy, which you would think GAF would eat up.

He endorsed Bernie Sanders, and was strongly opposed to Clinton.

Tells you everything.

 

[Squalor]

Every single Democrat in Congress better filibuster. All of them.

 

[Vilix]

What kind of logic is that? What number makes it valid to you? 500k? 1 million?

It would have to be more than .3383%

 

[jellies_two]

I don't get why people hate on him.

He is fucking right. He was practically the only person on the left who was correct all along.

He explained everything for anyone who wanted to hear, very simply. There was no need to make it complicated or even make it about racism or anything else. He was fucking right and that alone means that anyone who calls him an idiot is either saying an idiot accidentally stumbled on the whole key to this debacle, and laid it out perfectly, or, is just revealing themselves to be part of the actual problem.

 

[Killer Queen]

Every single Democrat in Congress better filibuster. All of them.

.

 

[TTOOLL]

And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

...

 

[Robdraggoo]

As a liberal I havnt listened to Moore for a long time. But after correctly predicting this election point by fucking point.

I'm ready to listen again

I'm behind him 100% on this